| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it 10:25 - Sep 13 with 6109 views | TooManyCooks |
drastically change your expectations, because you cannot expedite this model without a leader.
https://www.thecoachingtoolscompany.com/get-your-team-performing-beautifully-wit
Read the article, read it again, there are a number of these on the web, but this is the most simplified and easy to grasp that I have seen and applies to any team setting.
The truth is that we are likely only a little way down that nasty first curve. We have literally only just confirmed our squad, let alone starting 11, we still have injuries, or those just returning from it that haven't played a competitive game yet! We have weekly debutants and our leader and captain hasn't even taken to the pitch yet, a lot rides on Morsy, as does the cracking signing of Celina, 2 nailed on starters when available.
Every week we have brand new partnerships taking to the field for the first time and that is going to continue for weeks to come, we still don't know our best 11, some call it "gelling", whatever you want to call it, the team is still forming, you should not and can not expect results in this period, if we pick up a win then great, personally I'm happy we've managed to get some draws and fully expected us to be beaten most weeks and expect that to continue for several weeks. The beauty of this league, is that a handful of results can push you a dozen places plus up the table, it's a bizarre league as we've seen and experienced first hand, so we really don't need to panic. Of course we'd like to see the team in top 2 this season, or in the playoffs, but the reality is that we are a new club and squad and that takes time to work, that's life I'm afraid.
Not winning a game currently doesn't mean Paul Cook isn't a good manager, he simply cannot expedite the team process without a leader on the pitch and NO, that doesn't mean that the minute Morsy steps on the pitch we are going to win, what it means is that the "forming" process can be expedited more quickly and we change our position on the curve. What you should be focussing on, is the undeniable talent the club has brought in, some of the signings we have made are well beyond what should be possible at a League 1 club, hats off to Ashton and hats off to Cook for identifying them. Look at the structure that has been put in place at the club, we are a professional outfit again from top to bottom, all the things we've bemoaned for 13 years have/are being sorted, it's a time for celebration, not calling for our managers head.
We've suffered 13 god awful years, you MUST be patient now and allow this squad to go through the curve to success, it will come, it really will, the ingredients are all here, it is literally just time that is needed now, a commodity that is in painfully short supply in the world of football. I am prepared to give the new regime the time it needs to succeed, the question is, are you? If not, why? Perhaps you need to adjust your expectations.......
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:33 - Sep 13 with 3138 views | Herbivore |
You're happy that we've managed some draws? Up until then it was a fairly subtle troll, but it all went awry at that point. |  |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:35 - Sep 13 with 3115 views | WilbrahamBlue |
lovely, rational view backed up with a bit of theory.
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:37 - Sep 13 with 3091 views | BcarefulwhatUWish4 |
"if we pick up a win then great, personally I'm happy we've managed to get some draws and fully expected us to be beaten most weeks and expect that to continue for several weeks".
Seriously? If we continue with this form "most weeks" we can expect to end the season in the bottom half. |  | | |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:37 - Sep 13 with 3077 views | J2BLUE |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:33 - Sep 13 by Herbivore |
You're happy that we've managed some draws? Up until then it was a fairly subtle troll, but it all went awry at that point. |
They always pick a username which gives the game away before you even read the post. |  |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:37 - Sep 13 with 3094 views | itfcjoe |
The reality isn't that we'd love to be in the play offs an that takes time; the reality is that if we aren't competing for them and in them then there will be a change - quite rightly |  |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:38 - Sep 13 with 3083 views | Steve_M |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:33 - Sep 13 by Herbivore |
You're happy that we've managed some draws? Up until then it was a fairly subtle troll, but it all went awry at that point. |
"Not winning a game currently doesn't mean Paul Cook isn't a good manager". |  |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:44 - Sep 13 with 3011 views | TooManyCooks |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:37 - Sep 13 by BcarefulwhatUWish4 |
"if we pick up a win then great, personally I'm happy we've managed to get some draws and fully expected us to be beaten most weeks and expect that to continue for several weeks".
Seriously? If we continue with this form "most weeks" we can expect to end the season in the bottom half. |
By that, I meant the first couple of months of the season, given that we are a complete rebuild and so many key players hadn't even got on the pitch yet.
It's horrible, my expectations shot through the roof at the signings and the positive changes to the club, but then I saw the first couple of games and reminded myself of the harsh reality of how long these changes are likely to take to settle down, I'm still very optimistic, it just takes time. | |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:47 - Sep 13 with 2981 views | TooManyCooks |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:37 - Sep 13 by itfcjoe |
The reality isn't that we'd love to be in the play offs an that takes time; the reality is that if we aren't competing for them and in them then there will be a change - quite rightly |
Football is very unforgiving and you may well be right, but I wouldn't say that it would be correct to adopt that view. I am not sure if my patient views of how long the project will take are shared by Gamechanger, but certainly our main investors come from a world of patience and long term outlooks, so who knows? | |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:49 - Sep 13 with 2933 views | TooManyCooks |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:33 - Sep 13 by Herbivore |
You're happy that we've managed some draws? Up until then it was a fairly subtle troll, but it all went awry at that point. |
No troll, just my views......I really do think we could afford to be a little more patient with a whole new regime and squad. | |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:50 - Sep 13 with 2921 views | Herbivore |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:44 - Sep 13 by TooManyCooks |
By that, I meant the first couple of months of the season, given that we are a complete rebuild and so many key players hadn't even got on the pitch yet.
It's horrible, my expectations shot through the roof at the signings and the positive changes to the club, but then I saw the first couple of games and reminded myself of the harsh reality of how long these changes are likely to take to settle down, I'm still very optimistic, it just takes time. |
Wigan signed 15 players in the summer and had a similar number of exits and they're currently second. Amazing how the theory doesn't seem to apply to them and only to us. | |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:51 - Sep 13 with 2922 views | TooManyCooks |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:35 - Sep 13 by WilbrahamBlue |
lovely, rational view backed up with a bit of theory.
GET IT OFF HERE! |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:56 - Sep 13 with 2875 views | TooManyCooks |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:50 - Sep 13 by Herbivore |
Wigan signed 15 players in the summer and had a similar number of exits and they're currently second. Amazing how the theory doesn't seem to apply to them and only to us. |
They managed to retain a very good leader in Jamie Jones, who not only commanded the pitch, but also the dressing room by all accounts, he is now the club captain.......a leader makes a huge difference. | |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:58 - Sep 13 with 2840 views | Herbivore |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:56 - Sep 13 by TooManyCooks |
They managed to retain a very good leader in Jamie Jones, who not only commanded the pitch, but also the dressing room by all accounts, he is now the club captain.......a leader makes a huge difference. |
Oh right, I'm sure that explains it entirely then. They managed to skip straight to performing because they'd kept a leader despite undergoing similar levels of change and upheaval on and off the pitch. Perhaps you could have sent your link to Paul Cook along with a draft contact for Chambo back in May? | |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:59 - Sep 13 with 2840 views | Swansea_Blue |
I've seen people on here try and do this before. I think the relevance to football is minimal at best given the margins can be so tight. You're also implying that it's just a matter of time as if this is a given process, which it isn't.
Whilst you're right that PC's record with us doesn't necessarily mean he isn't a good manager, what happens if there's something about his set up with us that is broken (e.g. maybe he does need Richardson)? In that case, we'd never see that cycle through to the performing stage (at the level required for promotion).
None of us know what's going on behind the scenes, so we can only judge on what we see on the pitch and results. If PC doesn't want to end up with the label of being a failure here, he's going to have to start turning things around pretty soon. You'd expect it to take time to reinvent us, but he's already used up some good will with the abject displays last year so time isn't on his side. |  |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:04 - Sep 13 with 2774 views | TooManyCooks |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:58 - Sep 13 by Herbivore |
Oh right, I'm sure that explains it entirely then. They managed to skip straight to performing because they'd kept a leader despite undergoing similar levels of change and upheaval on and off the pitch. Perhaps you could have sent your link to Paul Cook along with a draft contact for Chambo back in May? |
Well, that's something I was trying to avoid given the polar views on Chambers on the site, but the truth is he was a very well respected individual on and off the pitch and most certainly was a good orchestrator and leader for the club and team, which made us a difficult team to score against. | |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:10 - Sep 13 with 2730 views | TooManyCooks |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 10:59 - Sep 13 by Swansea_Blue |
I've seen people on here try and do this before. I think the relevance to football is minimal at best given the margins can be so tight. You're also implying that it's just a matter of time as if this is a given process, which it isn't.
Whilst you're right that PC's record with us doesn't necessarily mean he isn't a good manager, what happens if there's something about his set up with us that is broken (e.g. maybe he does need Richardson)? In that case, we'd never see that cycle through to the performing stage (at the level required for promotion).
None of us know what's going on behind the scenes, so we can only judge on what we see on the pitch and results. If PC doesn't want to end up with the label of being a failure here, he's going to have to start turning things around pretty soon. You'd expect it to take time to reinvent us, but he's already used up some good will with the abject displays last year so time isn't on his side. |
The model is a psychological one and applies to any group/team setting and is just as relevant in football as it is in any other industry, the sum of a team is greater than its parts, if you have a leader and a group that understand the goals of the group (excuse the pun) and are all pushing in the same direction, results will come.
I think most people agree that we have made some unbelievable signings and have a team capable of walking this league, but are frustrated at the performances, hence the view that something is broken. It is my belief that we are simply undergoing a common process to any team environment, amplified by the vast changes to club and squad and the fact that our leader has yet to take to the pitch, we just need more time. | |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:11 - Sep 13 with 2718 views | Illinoisblue |
I’d say 4 wins from 25 games in Division 3 suggests Cook is actually a not very good football manager. Add in a cup defeat to Newport reserves for good measure. He’ll be gone by xmas if he can’t fix this car crash. |  |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:14 - Sep 13 with 2661 views | Herbivore |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:10 - Sep 13 by TooManyCooks |
The model is a psychological one and applies to any group/team setting and is just as relevant in football as it is in any other industry, the sum of a team is greater than its parts, if you have a leader and a group that understand the goals of the group (excuse the pun) and are all pushing in the same direction, results will come.
I think most people agree that we have made some unbelievable signings and have a team capable of walking this league, but are frustrated at the performances, hence the view that something is broken. It is my belief that we are simply undergoing a common process to any team environment, amplified by the vast changes to club and squad and the fact that our leader has yet to take to the pitch, we just need more time. |
Paul Cook is meant to be our leader. | |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:15 - Sep 13 with 2659 views | Radlett_blue |
The point that a squad so radically altered will take time to turn into an effective team is valid, especially with 2 of the recent signings not having yet started a game. However, please don't trot out injuries as an excuse. Every club has them & Cook has assembled an expensive, large squad to the cover should be perfectly adequate.
The big problem is that Town concede far too easily, especially after scoring, but the reasons for that are harder to analyse. |  |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:16 - Sep 13 with 2659 views | Fixed_It |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:11 - Sep 13 by Illinoisblue |
I’d say 4 wins from 25 games in Division 3 suggests Cook is actually a not very good football manager. Add in a cup defeat to Newport reserves for good measure. He’ll be gone by xmas if he can’t fix this car crash. |
His record at previous clubs suggests that he is a good football manager. Unfortunately, it seems that ITFC is the problem. We are cursed... |  |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:18 - Sep 13 with 2629 views | Illinoisblue |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:16 - Sep 13 by Fixed_It |
His record at previous clubs suggests that he is a good football manager. Unfortunately, it seems that ITFC is the problem. We are cursed... |
Other than Mick, every recent manager has had their best days behind them. We’re always on the down curve. | |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:20 - Sep 13 with 2600 views | TooManyCooks |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:14 - Sep 13 by Herbivore |
Paul Cook is meant to be our leader. |
What we lack currently, is a leader on the pitch to carry out his wishes, Samy Morsy is meant to be that man, hence a lot rides on him making the necessary impact. | |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:25 - Sep 13 with 2556 views | hype313 |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:20 - Sep 13 by TooManyCooks |
What we lack currently, is a leader on the pitch to carry out his wishes, Samy Morsy is meant to be that man, hence a lot rides on him making the necessary impact. |
So after 19 signings, we're relying on a guy signed in the last minute of the transfer window who was settled at his current club and wasn't looking to leave to revive our fortunes?
Sounds like excellent planning. |  |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:30 - Sep 13 with 2509 views | TooManyCooks |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:15 - Sep 13 by Radlett_blue |
The point that a squad so radically altered will take time to turn into an effective team is valid, especially with 2 of the recent signings not having yet started a game. However, please don't trot out injuries as an excuse. Every club has them & Cook has assembled an expensive, large squad to the cover should be perfectly adequate.
The big problem is that Town concede far too easily, especially after scoring, but the reasons for that are harder to analyse. |
I really had Edmundson in mind when saying that, given that he was our most expensive signing (I think?) but injuries are still extremely relevant to the process in our position on the curve, because it will affect the speed at which we can get through the curve. If we were on the other side of the curve, it should have little impact as we would be able to make a like for like replacement with a settled squad member who can seamlessly slot in. | |
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| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:32 - Sep 13 with 2497 views | Funge |
| Read this, get comfortable with it, accept it on 11:20 - Sep 13 by TooManyCooks |
What we lack currently, is a leader on the pitch to carry out his wishes, Samy Morsy is meant to be that man, hence a lot rides on him making the necessary impact. |
Morsy - a player who didnt want to leave his club, didnt think he was leaving his club, and signed hours before the transfer window closed.
He may well be a sh1t-hot player (I very much hope so...), but Cooks suggestion that we are dependent upon him to turn the corner, paints the rest of his transfer business in a pretty piss-poor light.
Cook is panicking, and rightly so. Betting the house on Morsy is a nonsensical strategy. |  | | |
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