| People in the know about cricket 17:32 - Oct 30 with 1022 views | gtsb1966 |
Why is white ball cricket so different to test cricket in terms of players performances. Why can't some of these England players play test cricket as well as they play the short form of the game. If you can bat you can bat surely. England absolutely on fire today but when it comes to test cricket... |  | | |  |
| People in the know about cricket on 17:58 - Oct 30 with 974 views | Guthrum |
Fielding restrictions in the shorter forms, skews the game in favour of the batsman. Also, in T20 getting a quick 18 and losing your wicket is fine and could win the match. In Tests, you really need to be looking at centuries.
That having been said, white-ball batting methods have been feeding through into the Test game for some time. Particularly the ability to accelerate the scoring and fancy shots. |  |
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| People in the know about cricket on 22:54 - Oct 30 with 871 views | MaySixth |
The two formats are completely different in terms of conditions and mentality.
Test match cricket mainly requires patience.
White ball cricket mainly requires aggression. |  |
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| People in the know about cricket on 23:31 - Oct 30 with 846 views | Melford |
White ball is knocking got loads and loads of burger and chips, Test Cricket is cooking a roast dinner. |  |
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| People in the know about cricket on 03:29 - Oct 31 with 784 views | IPS_wich |
The easiest way to think about it is to compare to different types of football.
- T20 is the Futsal of the cricket world. Whilst they look similar, they are actually technically and tactically quite different in the skills required. Especially in bowling, the best T20 bowlers don’t make the best Test bowlers and batters.
- 50 overs a side is more like 5-a-side football, essentially just a reduced form of the main game.
- Test match cricket is more like 11-a-side football.
What we are seeing that 50 over cricket and 5-a-side are being squeezed out in terms of popularity with the increased focus and specific skill set of futsal and T20. |  | | |
| People in the know about cricket on 03:58 - Oct 31 with 771 views | Ryorry |
| People in the know about cricket on 23:31 - Oct 30 by Melford |
White ball is knocking got loads and loads of burger and chips, Test Cricket is cooking a roast dinner. |
Or cafe-bought Capuccino vs roasting, grinding, brewing & pouring your own straight black without sugar! |  |
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| People in the know about cricket on 06:46 - Oct 31 with 715 views | Keno |
Easiest comparison
T20 - a quick “Thomas the Tank”
Ltd Overs - BJ
Test match - long weekend with Lily James, Emilia Clarke, Jenna Coleman, Alex Scott & Sam Quek |  |
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| People in the know about cricket on 07:19 - Oct 31 with 683 views | Herbivore |
| People in the know about cricket on 17:58 - Oct 30 by Guthrum |
Fielding restrictions in the shorter forms, skews the game in favour of the batsman. Also, in T20 getting a quick 18 and losing your wicket is fine and could win the match. In Tests, you really need to be looking at centuries.
That having been said, white-ball batting methods have been feeding through into the Test game for some time. Particularly the ability to accelerate the scoring and fancy shots. |
Indeed. I'd add to this that the white ball also behaves differently to the red ball and is generally more benign. You don't tend to see the white ball swinging all over the place in the way a red ball does in the hands of a top bowler.
Also, because scoring runs quickly is the name of the fame and wickets are there to be sacrificed you see many more bowlers in T20 cricket who are also handy with the bat but aren't necessarily world class with the ball, thus again skewing things in the batsman's favour.
Look at someone like Eoin Morgan. Arguably one of the greatest white ball cricketers of all time and yet when he was given a bit of a run in the test side he didn't have the technique and application needed to succeed in that format. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 7:20]
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| People in the know about cricket on 11:26 - Oct 31 with 566 views | bournemouthblue |
| People in the know about cricket on 07:19 - Oct 31 by Herbivore |
Indeed. I'd add to this that the white ball also behaves differently to the red ball and is generally more benign. You don't tend to see the white ball swinging all over the place in the way a red ball does in the hands of a top bowler.
Also, because scoring runs quickly is the name of the fame and wickets are there to be sacrificed you see many more bowlers in T20 cricket who are also handy with the bat but aren't necessarily world class with the ball, thus again skewing things in the batsman's favour.
Look at someone like Eoin Morgan. Arguably one of the greatest white ball cricketers of all time and yet when he was given a bit of a run in the test side he didn't have the technique and application needed to succeed in that format. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 7:20]
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I'd second the fact the ball behaves differently, they use a white Kookaburra ball with a flatter seam and they seem to swing less
Batsman can have a looser technique more conducive to power hitting
Both Bairstow and Roy who are geniuses in white ball Cricket have struggled in test cricket, being bowled though the gate with the red ball doing a lot more off the pitch and through the air
This tournament is interesting in the fact, spin is going to play a major role in it
There's a T20 tournament in Oz next year I believe also which will offer more for the seamers potentially |  |
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| People in the know about cricket on 11:45 - Oct 31 with 545 views | Plums |
| People in the know about cricket on 07:19 - Oct 31 by Herbivore |
Indeed. I'd add to this that the white ball also behaves differently to the red ball and is generally more benign. You don't tend to see the white ball swinging all over the place in the way a red ball does in the hands of a top bowler.
Also, because scoring runs quickly is the name of the fame and wickets are there to be sacrificed you see many more bowlers in T20 cricket who are also handy with the bat but aren't necessarily world class with the ball, thus again skewing things in the batsman's favour.
Look at someone like Eoin Morgan. Arguably one of the greatest white ball cricketers of all time and yet when he was given a bit of a run in the test side he didn't have the technique and application needed to succeed in that format. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 7:20]
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The pitches are also different. A test match pitch will be unused and the characteristics will change over the five days of a test. White ball pitches can often be previously used and because of the shorter format, both teams will bat their entire innings on a similar surface - although night/day games usually mean changes in moisture levels as night falls. |  |
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| People in the know about cricket on 11:52 - Oct 31 with 528 views | Radlett_blue |
Also, harder to restrict a batsman from scoring as any ball missing leg stump is usually called as a wide, while the same results from bowling wide on the off side. A wide is virtually never called in Test cricket. It's also a no ball if a short delivery is above shoulder height. So the bowler has to bowl to the batsman, rather like baseball.
The boundary ropes are often moved in for 1 day cricket (even more blatant in the women's game) so a 6 is a much easier shot with less risk of holing out. |  |
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| People in the know about cricket on 08:51 - Nov 1 with 446 views | SaleAway |
parameters of success are different. Jos Buttler for example is rated as one of the best batsmen in the T20 game, he averages 33, and scores a 50 every 6 innings...
the top test batsmen are averaging over 50 and score 50 or 100 around 1 in 3 innings..
The england test team has loads of people that can get 30, but very few that can regularly bat past 50 or 100... so the problem isn't that the players perform differently, its that they aren't conditioned for test batting, and so aren't good at it.
There was a discussion during the summer about this - what you have to remember with england, is that we no longer play long form cricket during the main cricket season... all bar one round of the county championship this year took place in the first or last 3rd of the longest season on record... played on green pitches, that essentially made batting ridiculously hard.... Batters don't get rewarded for a patient knock, as there is always an unplayable delivery coming, and bowlers don't learn how to bowl to plans to get people out of flat wickets.
England have always seemed to prioritise either red or white ball cricket and can never be good at both, and now that the forms have moved so far apart, its getting harder. | |
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| People in the know about cricket on 08:58 - Nov 1 with 427 views | ElephantintheRoom |
White ball cricket isnt cricket. Short boundaries, field placements, restrictions on overs and where you can and cant bowl have rendered it down into a farce. There is also the time element - and having to bish bash, bosh
Its a bit like comparing a visual childrens book - the Mr Men perhaps - with something that takes a bit of understanding, like Shakespeare | |
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| People in the know about cricket on 09:56 - Nov 1 with 375 views | IpswichKnight |
| People in the know about cricket on 11:45 - Oct 31 by Plums |
The pitches are also different. A test match pitch will be unused and the characteristics will change over the five days of a test. White ball pitches can often be previously used and because of the shorter format, both teams will bat their entire innings on a similar surface - although night/day games usually mean changes in moisture levels as night falls. |
Never is that more true than the pitches we will play on in Sharjah today and Saturday, ground only has 3 pitches on the square and was used for IPL and several games already, they will be tired and turgid! | | | |
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