| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 15:48 - Nov 22 with 3048 views | dominiciawful |
That would make it seven defeats in 19. We'll be seriously struggling for the top six if our overall rate of defeats (and lack of wins) continues this season. I know we were on two defeats in 15 in all competitions, which was excellent, and we're now on three in 15, but we really need to win, win, win. Looking at the league fixtures over the next month, I can really see the season getting away from us.
I am nervous. |  |
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 15:51 - Nov 22 with 1895 views | hype313 |
Top 2? Lose tommorow and top 6 will be an ask! |  |
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 15:53 - Nov 22 with 1872 views | dominiciawful |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 15:51 - Nov 22 by hype313 |
Top 2? Lose tommorow and top 6 will be an ask! |
I suppose I was being somewhat optimistic. Automatic promotion is already a real stretch, but I think that could be the real nail in the coffin for it if we lose. And I don't expect us to win tomorrow, to be honest. | |
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 15:54 - Nov 22 with 1863 views | BlueBadger |
Realistically, the top two was gone as an aim 2-3 weeks ago.
At least. |  |
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 15:55 - Nov 22 with 1856 views | Ftnfwest |
Wrote that off at least a month ago! Although tbh play offs was all i was expecting at the start. Mind you at the start of last season i said we'd finish 9th and was chased off of here in disgrace for being so negative. |  | | |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 15:57 - Nov 22 with 1841 views | BlueBadger |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 15:55 - Nov 22 by Ftnfwest |
Wrote that off at least a month ago! Although tbh play offs was all i was expecting at the start. Mind you at the start of last season i said we'd finish 9th and was chased off of here in disgrace for being so negative. |
Only the most fervent of Cult of Lambo thought we'd get promoted last season. | |
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 16:07 - Nov 22 with 1800 views | PhilTWTD |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 15:51 - Nov 22 by hype313 |
Top 2? Lose tommorow and top 6 will be an ask! |
We're seven points off - as it stands - with 28 to play! I do think the reaction to Saturday's defeat has been somewhat overpessimistic, bearing in mind results for the last couple of months. |  | | |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 16:08 - Nov 22 with 1785 views | HighgateBlue |
At present we are needing to win at least half of our remaining fixtures just to get into the top 6.
Anyone who thinks that is going to happen should get down the bookies, because objectively-minded impartial observers do not agree. |  | | |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 16:11 - Nov 22 with 1766 views | BlueBadger |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 16:07 - Nov 22 by PhilTWTD |
We're seven points off - as it stands - with 28 to play! I do think the reaction to Saturday's defeat has been somewhat overpessimistic, bearing in mind results for the last couple of months. |
For me, it's the kind of defeat that's easier to take if you're actually up there competing rather than chasing a pack that's starting to inch away from you. | |
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| HALLELUJAH…. praise be to Phil on 16:19 - Nov 22 with 1752 views | unstableblue |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 16:07 - Nov 22 by PhilTWTD |
We're seven points off - as it stands - with 28 to play! I do think the reaction to Saturday's defeat has been somewhat overpessimistic, bearing in mind results for the last couple of months. |
Sunderland was a really strong performance for me, where we looked a formidable outfit and in control
Defence was solid
And we were making a playoff rival defend incredibly deep, at home
We had a moment of madness of Walton, who’s actually been playing well
Our previous game we coped with some excellent Oxford play (another rival), and I think failed to win due to some dark arts from them, again as they were worried about our threat
Game before we smashed a serious promotion contender away from home, breaking a 100% home record
There is progress, but tomorrow will be the biggest test of the season by far.
Yes results overall are not good enough, but what 10-15 posters calling for Cook to be sacked after the Sunderland performance - madness
Phil - what did you think of Clements Saturday? I thought he struggles in moments but overall did OK |  |
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| HALLELUJAH…. praise be to Phil on 16:20 - Nov 22 with 1734 views | BlueBadger |
| HALLELUJAH…. praise be to Phil on 16:19 - Nov 22 by unstableblue |
Sunderland was a really strong performance for me, where we looked a formidable outfit and in control
Defence was solid
And we were making a playoff rival defend incredibly deep, at home
We had a moment of madness of Walton, who’s actually been playing well
Our previous game we coped with some excellent Oxford play (another rival), and I think failed to win due to some dark arts from them, again as they were worried about our threat
Game before we smashed a serious promotion contender away from home, breaking a 100% home record
There is progress, but tomorrow will be the biggest test of the season by far.
Yes results overall are not good enough, but what 10-15 posters calling for Cook to be sacked after the Sunderland performance - madness
Phil - what did you think of Clements Saturday? I thought he struggles in moments but overall did OK |
Anyone(of whom there is literally no-one) who was calling for Cook to be sacked after yesterday isn't likely to be doing so on the basis of one game, they're likely to be doing so o the basis of his wholly disappointing tenure so far. | |
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 16:20 - Nov 22 with 1721 views | Ftnfwest |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 15:57 - Nov 22 by BlueBadger |
Only the most fervent of Cult of Lambo thought we'd get promoted last season. |
i can confirm it wasn't by yourself young man. I'm probably also exaggerating.....a bit. | | | |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 16:25 - Nov 22 with 1680 views | BlueBadger |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 16:20 - Nov 22 by Ftnfwest |
i can confirm it wasn't by yourself young man. I'm probably also exaggerating.....a bit. |
The willingness of a section of our support to start cults around failing(and failed) managers never ceases to baffle me.
Even now, there's the off weirdo who will insist that Roy Keane could do a job 'for the right club' and that it was all the players' fault that Paul Hurst failed. | |
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 16:28 - Nov 22 with 1653 views | Ftnfwest |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 16:25 - Nov 22 by BlueBadger |
The willingness of a section of our support to start cults around failing(and failed) managers never ceases to baffle me.
Even now, there's the off weirdo who will insist that Roy Keane could do a job 'for the right club' and that it was all the players' fault that Paul Hurst failed. |
We also as a club give managers far more time than most to either succeed or (mostly) fail by modern standards. But as you say there are some nutters about who think Hursts recruitment of JD implied he was actually some sort of genius we should have kept. | | | |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 16:30 - Nov 22 with 1652 views | HighgateBlue |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 16:07 - Nov 22 by PhilTWTD |
We're seven points off - as it stands - with 28 to play! I do think the reaction to Saturday's defeat has been somewhat overpessimistic, bearing in mind results for the last couple of months. |
Firstly, we may have 28 to play, but Sunderland, Wigan and Oxford have 30, and MK Dons and Rotherham have 29.
Cheltenham are one point behind us with a game in hand, so on points per game we are 11th in the table.
Secondly, we are closer on points to automatic relegation than automatic promotion.
Thirdly, our "results for the last couple of months" do not support the idea that we will make the playoffs.
Even if one is really cherry-picking the form by only looking at the results AFTER the embarrassing Bolton match, and including the win against Lincoln that was just more than 2 months ago, that's 21 points from 12 games, which is 1.75 points per game.
If we manage to replicate that over the rest of the season, that's 1.75 * 28 games = 49 points.
Add that to our magnificent current total of 24, and you get 73.
Do you think we stand a chance of getting into the playoffs with 73 points? I know it's been enough in numerous previous years, but for the reasons given in the thread on this topic, I cannot see 73 or even 75 points being enough this year. It may be closer to 80. To put it into context, one third of the division is currently going at a better points per game than 73/46, and we are of course not one of those clubs.
I hope and pray we can make it, but the evidence simply isn't there. That's why we're ninth favourites for the league with most bookies, and why you can still get 6/1 at BetVictor about us getting promoted. | | | |
| HALLELUJAH…. praise be to Phil on 16:33 - Nov 22 with 1643 views | PhilTWTD |
| HALLELUJAH…. praise be to Phil on 16:19 - Nov 22 by unstableblue |
Sunderland was a really strong performance for me, where we looked a formidable outfit and in control
Defence was solid
And we were making a playoff rival defend incredibly deep, at home
We had a moment of madness of Walton, who’s actually been playing well
Our previous game we coped with some excellent Oxford play (another rival), and I think failed to win due to some dark arts from them, again as they were worried about our threat
Game before we smashed a serious promotion contender away from home, breaking a 100% home record
There is progress, but tomorrow will be the biggest test of the season by far.
Yes results overall are not good enough, but what 10-15 posters calling for Cook to be sacked after the Sunderland performance - madness
Phil - what did you think of Clements Saturday? I thought he struggles in moments but overall did OK |
Yes, for most of the first 85 minutes there was only one side in it. One or two scary moments but Edmundson, who I thought was really very good, usually cleared them up. Thought Sunderland looked as poor as anyone we've played for much of the game, to be honest. If they play like that regularly then I don't see them as contenders.
Thought Clements had a quieter game and most of Sunderland's threat came down his flank in the first half but I think he's had a decent first week in the league team. | | | |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 16:40 - Nov 22 with 1591 views | BlueBadger |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 16:28 - Nov 22 by Ftnfwest |
We also as a club give managers far more time than most to either succeed or (mostly) fail by modern standards. But as you say there are some nutters about who think Hursts recruitment of JD implied he was actually some sort of genius we should have kept. |
JD is the poor man's Damien Delaney.
Signed by an incompetent who wasted his transfer budger, had a few crap games early one and was finally used out of desperation in his correct position and turned out to be good at it, so he kept his place. | |
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 16:42 - Nov 22 with 1581 views | PhilTWTD |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 16:30 - Nov 22 by HighgateBlue |
Firstly, we may have 28 to play, but Sunderland, Wigan and Oxford have 30, and MK Dons and Rotherham have 29.
Cheltenham are one point behind us with a game in hand, so on points per game we are 11th in the table.
Secondly, we are closer on points to automatic relegation than automatic promotion.
Thirdly, our "results for the last couple of months" do not support the idea that we will make the playoffs.
Even if one is really cherry-picking the form by only looking at the results AFTER the embarrassing Bolton match, and including the win against Lincoln that was just more than 2 months ago, that's 21 points from 12 games, which is 1.75 points per game.
If we manage to replicate that over the rest of the season, that's 1.75 * 28 games = 49 points.
Add that to our magnificent current total of 24, and you get 73.
Do you think we stand a chance of getting into the playoffs with 73 points? I know it's been enough in numerous previous years, but for the reasons given in the thread on this topic, I cannot see 73 or even 75 points being enough this year. It may be closer to 80. To put it into context, one third of the division is currently going at a better points per game than 73/46, and we are of course not one of those clubs.
I hope and pray we can make it, but the evidence simply isn't there. That's why we're ninth favourites for the league with most bookies, and why you can still get 6/1 at BetVictor about us getting promoted. |
I think the point is that the expectation, given the change which has occurred over the summer and the quality of recruitment, is that form, results and points accumulation will improve as the team progresses. I think it's been fairly evident that the team has made significant strides since the earlier fixtures you bring into your prediction, while still having a way to go.
My argument isn't that we will make the top two or top six but that arguing that either are 'gone' is somewhat premature given the wider context to Town's development. | | | |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 16:45 - Nov 22 with 1545 views | Ftnfwest |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 16:40 - Nov 22 by BlueBadger |
JD is the poor man's Damien Delaney.
Signed by an incompetent who wasted his transfer budger, had a few crap games early one and was finally used out of desperation in his correct position and turned out to be good at it, so he kept his place. |
Agreed, the only subject i would ever defend hurst on was being able to retain people like waggy who was never going to stay at that point when he was being offered 3 x as much elsewhere. | | | |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 17:05 - Nov 22 with 1451 views | Herbivore |
As others have said, top 2 is already long gone I think. The top 2 sides are currently on for over 90 points, to get to even 90 points from here we need to average 2.36 points per game. That form over a 46 game season gets you to 108 points. To put it in further context, it would mean 20 wins, 6 draws, and 2 defeats from our remaining fixtures. It is possible in the same way that me marrying Scarlett Johansson is possible, but both are very, very, very unlikely to materialise (I'm happily in a relationship you see).
The top 6 is more achievable but requires an upturn in form, for all the talk of us being really good post-Bolton we now need better form than we've managed over that 12 game stretch in order to get enough points to make the play offs. That is possible but every loss makes it harder to achieve. Lose tomorrow and even 2 points per game for the rest of the season will see us worrying about whether we've done enough to scrape 6th place. [Post edited 22 Nov 2021 17:41]
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 17:23 - Nov 22 with 1418 views | dirtyboy |
I'm a proper and eternal optimist, but I don't see us in the top 2 anyway.
I think we'll grab a draw tomorrow night and not look great.
However.
I also think we'll do pretty well the remainder of the season and finish just inside the playoffs with it all to play for last couple of games.
We'll rue that awful start and either get promoted or return the next season as favourites for the title.
I'm still enjoying going as it's good to watch even though the results are at best, hit and miss. |  | | |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 17:41 - Nov 22 with 1385 views | HighgateBlue |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 16:42 - Nov 22 by PhilTWTD |
I think the point is that the expectation, given the change which has occurred over the summer and the quality of recruitment, is that form, results and points accumulation will improve as the team progresses. I think it's been fairly evident that the team has made significant strides since the earlier fixtures you bring into your prediction, while still having a way to go.
My argument isn't that we will make the top two or top six but that arguing that either are 'gone' is somewhat premature given the wider context to Town's development. |
I can certainly agree that top six is not gone, and look forward in particular to cheering Town on over the festive period as part of a big old crowd.
COYB | | | |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 17:54 - Nov 22 with 1336 views | positivity |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 16:40 - Nov 22 by BlueBadger |
JD is the poor man's Damien Delaney.
Signed by an incompetent who wasted his transfer budger, had a few crap games early one and was finally used out of desperation in his correct position and turned out to be good at it, so he kept his place. |
donacien never played that poorly early on, it was more that lambert had some kind of weird view that he was a centre back as he'd played there at villa when he was 18!
for all that hurst was poor as a manager, his signings hold up very well when compared to lambert (kvy/holy/norwood the only survivors of his almost 2 years!) |  |
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 17:55 - Nov 22 with 1331 views | Swansea_Blue |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 16:07 - Nov 22 by PhilTWTD |
We're seven points off - as it stands - with 28 to play! I do think the reaction to Saturday's defeat has been somewhat overpessimistic, bearing in mind results for the last couple of months. |
Some of the posts and reaction has been overly pessimistic, but that's always after a loss isn't it. There's a rather excellent resource where we can look at the form over the last couple of months: https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:league-one/daterange/fromdate:2
I know you weren't being specific on those 2 months, but if we were to use that time period for the sake of argument, we've still lost ground on Rotherham, Plymouth, Wycombe, and possibly Wigan too if they do well in their 2 games in hand. The other 2 in the top 6, MK Dons and Sunderland, may also only be below us in that form table because they've played 2 games less over that time.
It's sobering stuff. I love that we're doing better, scoring some great goals and generating a better atmosphere. It's great to have a feel good factor creeping back. But we're still not doing enough to make up ground on the top 6. BUT, we've been getting closer to them than the rest in mid-table, so that's a step in the right direction. |  |
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 18:11 - Nov 22 with 1291 views | BlueBadger |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 17:54 - Nov 22 by positivity |
donacien never played that poorly early on, it was more that lambert had some kind of weird view that he was a centre back as he'd played there at villa when he was 18!
for all that hurst was poor as a manager, his signings hold up very well when compared to lambert (kvy/holy/norwood the only survivors of his almost 2 years!) |
Strictly speaking, Lambert thought Donacien was a CB when we were short on RBs and a RB when we were short on CBs. [Post edited 22 Nov 2021 18:28]
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 18:12 - Nov 22 with 1281 views | BlueBadger |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 17:54 - Nov 22 by positivity |
donacien never played that poorly early on, it was more that lambert had some kind of weird view that he was a centre back as he'd played there at villa when he was 18!
for all that hurst was poor as a manager, his signings hold up very well when compared to lambert (kvy/holy/norwood the only survivors of his almost 2 years!) |
Literally the only one of Hurst's signings that's worth a f**k is Donacien.
And even then he's more 'competent but limited' than out and out great. | |
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