| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 15:48 - Nov 22 with 3076 views | dominiciawful |
That would make it seven defeats in 19. We'll be seriously struggling for the top six if our overall rate of defeats (and lack of wins) continues this season. I know we were on two defeats in 15 in all competitions, which was excellent, and we're now on three in 15, but we really need to win, win, win. Looking at the league fixtures over the next month, I can really see the season getting away from us.
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 18:29 - Nov 22 with 1146 views | Mullet |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 16:42 - Nov 22 by PhilTWTD |
I think the point is that the expectation, given the change which has occurred over the summer and the quality of recruitment, is that form, results and points accumulation will improve as the team progresses. I think it's been fairly evident that the team has made significant strides since the earlier fixtures you bring into your prediction, while still having a way to go.
My argument isn't that we will make the top two or top six but that arguing that either are 'gone' is somewhat premature given the wider context to Town's development. |
The playoffs aren’t gone, but the manner in which we are playing and the lack of progress in the area that truly matters makes them appear further and further in the horizon. The fact that they are anything but a minimum is perhaps the problem on social media.
The handful trying to revise constantly about expectations and doling out backslapping preemptive excuses, are distorting the truth.
Cook chose this overhaul and anything but progress from the start would see him sacked. The fact is he has to make that ground up, and every time he fails to, hearing about how it’s definitely going up happen because…. skews the debate because people did up having to refocus on the notion that we are spending Championship money to struggle. |  |
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 18:31 - Nov 22 with 1132 views | positivity |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 18:12 - Nov 22 by BlueBadger |
Literally the only one of Hurst's signings that's worth a f**k is Donacien.
And even then he's more 'competent but limited' than out and out great. |
toto's been a good servant to the club
jackson did well for half a season, but doesn't suit either cook or lambert's formation
nolan's been pole-axed by injuries
even roberts and harrison got decent moves
(and chalobah's top of the premier league.)
so not a great set, and still ahead of lambert! |  |
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 18:35 - Nov 22 with 1126 views | PhilTWTD |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 17:55 - Nov 22 by Swansea_Blue |
Some of the posts and reaction has been overly pessimistic, but that's always after a loss isn't it. There's a rather excellent resource where we can look at the form over the last couple of months: https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:league-one/daterange/fromdate:2
I know you weren't being specific on those 2 months, but if we were to use that time period for the sake of argument, we've still lost ground on Rotherham, Plymouth, Wycombe, and possibly Wigan too if they do well in their 2 games in hand. The other 2 in the top 6, MK Dons and Sunderland, may also only be below us in that form table because they've played 2 games less over that time.
It's sobering stuff. I love that we're doing better, scoring some great goals and generating a better atmosphere. It's great to have a feel good factor creeping back. But we're still not doing enough to make up ground on the top 6. BUT, we've been getting closer to them than the rest in mid-table, so that's a step in the right direction. |
That is true, but if we go back one game, to before the Sunderland match, we've lost ground on only one side: https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:league-one/daterange/fromdate:2
Obviously we've got to start gaining ground but I think any potential promotion scenario has required us to improve as the season progresses and start picking up more points per game the more the season moves on. I'd also expect some of those towards the top to fall away or have difficult spells. Few sides have seasons without any tougher periods. |  | | |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 18:41 - Nov 22 with 1118 views | PhilTWTD |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 18:29 - Nov 22 by Mullet |
The playoffs aren’t gone, but the manner in which we are playing and the lack of progress in the area that truly matters makes them appear further and further in the horizon. The fact that they are anything but a minimum is perhaps the problem on social media.
The handful trying to revise constantly about expectations and doling out backslapping preemptive excuses, are distorting the truth.
Cook chose this overhaul and anything but progress from the start would see him sacked. The fact is he has to make that ground up, and every time he fails to, hearing about how it’s definitely going up happen because…. skews the debate because people did up having to refocus on the notion that we are spending Championship money to struggle. |
Do you not think there's been progress? As per another bit of the thread, our form is broadly with the teams towards the top of the division, even if we ought to expect better going forwards? | | | |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 18:45 - Nov 22 with 1101 views | Mullet |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 18:41 - Nov 22 by PhilTWTD |
Do you not think there's been progress? As per another bit of the thread, our form is broadly with the teams towards the top of the division, even if we ought to expect better going forwards? |
Course there’s been progress compared to that godawful start. That’s just simple maths. Has there been enough? Nope.
Is that down to Cook? If it’s not he will carry the can for it regardless.
Will making the playoffs by a miracle run be more worthy than never being out of them? Nope. You finish where you finish.
Ultimately failure to take us up is failure and we have no room for that here. Being in this league is disgusting. | |
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 18:52 - Nov 22 with 1080 views | CokeIsKey |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 18:41 - Nov 22 by PhilTWTD |
Do you not think there's been progress? As per another bit of the thread, our form is broadly with the teams towards the top of the division, even if we ought to expect better going forwards? |
I don't think the question is if we've made progress - obviously when you assemble a new squad players will slowly improve as they learn the style of play and build up relationships with each other.
The real question is if Cook can take us to the next level where we look like a cohesive unit that can consistently perform and put runs together. From what I've seen from Cook so far, he doesn't have the ability to do that unfortunately. |  |
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 18:56 - Nov 22 with 1056 views | PJH |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 18:45 - Nov 22 by Mullet |
Course there’s been progress compared to that godawful start. That’s just simple maths. Has there been enough? Nope.
Is that down to Cook? If it’s not he will carry the can for it regardless.
Will making the playoffs by a miracle run be more worthy than never being out of them? Nope. You finish where you finish.
Ultimately failure to take us up is failure and we have no room for that here. Being in this league is disgusting. |
But the good news is we might qualify for The Pizza Cup again next season. |  | | |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 19:06 - Nov 22 with 1049 views | N2_Blue |
Lose tomorrow night and finishing 6th will be a tall order.
Our form since Bolton which everyone seems to think is amazing is actually only just about good enough for 6th. We've only once won back to back games...promotion winning teams string several sequences of 3 or 4 wins in a row.
We need to improve massively, the season is getting away from us despite many of our fans thinking we have been the bees knees recently.
We've improved YES...from a pretty low bar. Are we one of the best sides in the division currently...NO. It may improve further but time really is running out. |  |
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 19:16 - Nov 22 with 1041 views | PhilTWTD |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 18:45 - Nov 22 by Mullet |
Course there’s been progress compared to that godawful start. That’s just simple maths. Has there been enough? Nope.
Is that down to Cook? If it’s not he will carry the can for it regardless.
Will making the playoffs by a miracle run be more worthy than never being out of them? Nope. You finish where you finish.
Ultimately failure to take us up is failure and we have no room for that here. Being in this league is disgusting. |
Progress was always likely to be gradual, I'd say, particularly with the start having been poorer than might have been hoped. Obviously we need to be getting into longer winning/unbeaten runs and sooner rather than later if we're not going to leave ourselves too much to do, but I think performances lately have suggested we're capable of doing that. Think it's notable that the biggest frustrations lately have been not turning displays against Plymouth and Sunderland into the wins which they deserved. | | | |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 19:18 - Nov 22 with 1030 views | PhilTWTD |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 18:52 - Nov 22 by CokeIsKey |
I don't think the question is if we've made progress - obviously when you assemble a new squad players will slowly improve as they learn the style of play and build up relationships with each other.
The real question is if Cook can take us to the next level where we look like a cohesive unit that can consistently perform and put runs together. From what I've seen from Cook so far, he doesn't have the ability to do that unfortunately. |
He's done that elsewhere, as he has reminded us on a few occasions in his press conferences! | | | |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 19:31 - Nov 22 with 1006 views | Mullet |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 19:16 - Nov 22 by PhilTWTD |
Progress was always likely to be gradual, I'd say, particularly with the start having been poorer than might have been hoped. Obviously we need to be getting into longer winning/unbeaten runs and sooner rather than later if we're not going to leave ourselves too much to do, but I think performances lately have suggested we're capable of doing that. Think it's notable that the biggest frustrations lately have been not turning displays against Plymouth and Sunderland into the wins which they deserved. |
Quite, but again this is a rolls Royce of a squad producing Qashqai performance. Unfortunately Cook, like Lambert and Hurst can’t point to what they did elsewhere.
We are Ipswich Town. But it’s not the club or the world we operated in when we were successful. Cook has had far too much backing in every sense to keep turning this in. If he can’t produce the results he needs to, he can’t stay.
The longer this indifference continues in the pitch even the most delusional out there will have to accept their faith is misplaced. It’s a shame he’s done so poorly here, but it’s also a fact he needs to address. | |
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 21:21 - Nov 22 with 926 views | BlueBadger |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 19:18 - Nov 22 by PhilTWTD |
He's done that elsewhere, as he has reminded us on a few occasions in his press conferences! |
When's he planning on starting here? |  |
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 22:05 - Nov 22 with 883 views | hadleighboyblue |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 19:16 - Nov 22 by PhilTWTD |
Progress was always likely to be gradual, I'd say, particularly with the start having been poorer than might have been hoped. Obviously we need to be getting into longer winning/unbeaten runs and sooner rather than later if we're not going to leave ourselves too much to do, but I think performances lately have suggested we're capable of doing that. Think it's notable that the biggest frustrations lately have been not turning displays against Plymouth and Sunderland into the wins which they deserved. |
Agree Phil.
It's still individual errors that are costing us more points .
I'm amazed how many posters on here seem to take pleasure in moaning , we all want the club to be up at the top of the table but the majority of fans can see progress and much improved football , maybe not progress as quick as we want , but we will get there .
Just get behind the club and enjoy the ride | | | |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 23:05 - Nov 22 with 844 views | BlueBadger |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 22:05 - Nov 22 by hadleighboyblue |
Agree Phil.
It's still individual errors that are costing us more points .
I'm amazed how many posters on here seem to take pleasure in moaning , we all want the club to be up at the top of the table but the majority of fans can see progress and much improved football , maybe not progress as quick as we want , but we will get there .
Just get behind the club and enjoy the ride |
You expect 'individual errors' to cost you every so often because no coach is perfect.
The fact that individual errors KEEP costing us does rather point to something deeper. | |
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 23:13 - Nov 22 with 833 views | rgp1 |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 22:05 - Nov 22 by hadleighboyblue |
Agree Phil.
It's still individual errors that are costing us more points .
I'm amazed how many posters on here seem to take pleasure in moaning , we all want the club to be up at the top of the table but the majority of fans can see progress and much improved football , maybe not progress as quick as we want , but we will get there .
Just get behind the club and enjoy the ride |
People are behind the club. FWIW I think the club ( even in the Evans era) done some good things for the fans. Such as the 4 or 5 10 pound games a season a few years back. However that doesn't mean we accept everything that is said in blind faith. | | | |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 06:46 - Nov 23 with 787 views | Herbivore |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 22:05 - Nov 22 by hadleighboyblue |
Agree Phil.
It's still individual errors that are costing us more points .
I'm amazed how many posters on here seem to take pleasure in moaning , we all want the club to be up at the top of the table but the majority of fans can see progress and much improved football , maybe not progress as quick as we want , but we will get there .
Just get behind the club and enjoy the ride |
People have been remarkably supportive given how poor we've been under Cook. He still gets clapped out every game, nobody is chanting for him to go. I don't think he can ask for much better support given the job he's done, he wouldn't be getting this level of support at a lot of other clubs. |  |
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 06:59 - Nov 23 with 772 views | textbackup |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 06:46 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
People have been remarkably supportive given how poor we've been under Cook. He still gets clapped out every game, nobody is chanting for him to go. I don't think he can ask for much better support given the job he's done, he wouldn't be getting this level of support at a lot of other clubs. |
i guess it all depends on the club, and the situation.
i think if we were still under ME's ownership that the feeling would be back to complete and utter "couldnt give a fck"
but for me, all the hate, anger and negativity left me and the slate was clean for a fresh start with new owners. its all new. if we fail to go up this season i will be gutted, disappointed, but i've every faith in the owners and CEO to move us forwards, whether that be with or without Cook.
i must say, i was really positive about how things have been going, then i looked at the table yesterday for the first time in a while, my manu supporting work mate from clacton hit the nail on the head when he said "you lot are fcked if you dont go on a winning streak soon" kinda hit home that we are very close to drifting away from even the playoffs |  |
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 07:18 - Nov 23 with 752 views | Herbivore |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 06:59 - Nov 23 by textbackup |
i guess it all depends on the club, and the situation.
i think if we were still under ME's ownership that the feeling would be back to complete and utter "couldnt give a fck"
but for me, all the hate, anger and negativity left me and the slate was clean for a fresh start with new owners. its all new. if we fail to go up this season i will be gutted, disappointed, but i've every faith in the owners and CEO to move us forwards, whether that be with or without Cook.
i must say, i was really positive about how things have been going, then i looked at the table yesterday for the first time in a while, my manu supporting work mate from clacton hit the nail on the head when he said "you lot are fcked if you dont go on a winning streak soon" kinda hit home that we are very close to drifting away from even the playoffs |
I think you're right, texters, that the new regime has quite rightly brought a lot of optimism. I think that's a good point that if ME was still here and the season was going the way it is then we might see more negativity around the place. Cook is a little fortunate in that respect in that he's riding along on that wave of positivity around the club, when looking at it objectively he's the main element that's not really working as it needs to be right now.
Your mate is right, we do need a decent run soon to get us back in touch. If we lose tonight we need 2 points per game, very solid auto promotion form, just to get to 78 points come May. I think this year we might need that many to make the top 6. For all that it's right to feel good about where the club is heading more generally, there's a risk that as we cling on to optimism the season drifts away from us and we're stuck in League 1 for at least another year. | |
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 08:11 - Nov 23 with 708 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 19:06 - Nov 22 by N2_Blue |
Lose tomorrow night and finishing 6th will be a tall order.
Our form since Bolton which everyone seems to think is amazing is actually only just about good enough for 6th. We've only once won back to back games...promotion winning teams string several sequences of 3 or 4 wins in a row.
We need to improve massively, the season is getting away from us despite many of our fans thinking we have been the bees knees recently.
We've improved YES...from a pretty low bar. Are we one of the best sides in the division currently...NO. It may improve further but time really is running out. |
With a bigger and better squad than everybody else you’d expect us to do better than plenty of others as the season progresses. If we’re working a few wins of the play offs in January we’ll have a decent chance of the top 6.
Clearly the top 2 looks quite a tall order, even now. But let’s hope the run starts tonight. | | | |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 09:46 - Nov 23 with 645 views | BlueBadger |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 06:46 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
People have been remarkably supportive given how poor we've been under Cook. He still gets clapped out every game, nobody is chanting for him to go. I don't think he can ask for much better support given the job he's done, he wouldn't be getting this level of support at a lot of other clubs. |
In all fairness, Lambert got us relegated and people sung his name and made banners. So this is quite mild. | |
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 10:12 - Nov 23 with 625 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 06:46 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
People have been remarkably supportive given how poor we've been under Cook. He still gets clapped out every game, nobody is chanting for him to go. I don't think he can ask for much better support given the job he's done, he wouldn't be getting this level of support at a lot of other clubs. |
It is also fascinating how supportive you and other have been towards the players who took us down to where we are. They got clapped and cheered for taking us down without a fight. It was followed by the two bleak seasons in League One. That mob wouldn't be getting this level of support or venerating at a lot of other clubs. |  | | |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 10:15 - Nov 23 with 622 views | Herbivore |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 10:12 - Nov 23 by Mach_foreignBlue |
It is also fascinating how supportive you and other have been towards the players who took us down to where we are. They got clapped and cheered for taking us down without a fight. It was followed by the two bleak seasons in League One. That mob wouldn't be getting this level of support or venerating at a lot of other clubs. |
Mach, have a nap mate. You're the pissed bloke in the pub staggering around trying to start a fight about something that exists mainly in your head and that nobody else even cares about. | |
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| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 10:21 - Nov 23 with 615 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| If we lose tomorrow night I think we can kiss goodbye to the top 2 on 10:15 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
Mach, have a nap mate. You're the pissed bloke in the pub staggering around trying to start a fight about something that exists mainly in your head and that nobody else even cares about. |
WTF? Only pointing out at an opinion. Why getting so personal? Just because you can't stand the different view?
You are surprised as to why people are supportive of Cook. It is also remarkable how supportive you have been towards something from the past. End of.
So need for that kind of comment from you. | | | |
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