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6 Town youngsters on the bench 15:28 - Apr 23 with 1598 views

well done KmcK, good to see the footpath is there for the youth

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6 Town youngsters on the bench on 15:31 - Apr 23 with 1569 views

Nthsuffolkblue

Is the sixth one Celina or Bonne?

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6 Town youngsters on the bench on 15:32 - Apr 23 with 1558 views

Keno

6 Town youngsters on the bench on 15:31 - Apr 23 by Nthsuffolkblue
Is the sixth one Celina or Bonne?

Boone, he's an Ipswich lad isnt is?

(I know ....)

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6 Town youngsters on the bench on 16:17 - Apr 23 with 1445 views

Nthsuffolkblue

6 Town youngsters on the bench on 15:32 - Apr 23 by Keno
Boone, he's an Ipswich lad isnt is? (I know ....)

Didn't Celina learn his trade with us as well?

A bench full of our youngsters.

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6 Town youngsters on the bench on 00:50 - Apr 24 with 1341 views

BondiBlue

And none of them in the starting line-up against an already relegated team in a dead rubber. What's the point? They will have learned nothing today. None of them even came on!

That's not a pathway, it's a token gesture.

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6 Town youngsters on the bench on 07:51 - Apr 24 with 1255 views

MattinLondon

6 Town youngsters on the bench on 00:50 - Apr 24 by BondiBlue
And none of them in the starting line-up against an already relegated team in a dead rubber. What's the point? They will have learned nothing today. None of them even came on! That's not a pathway, it's a token gesture.

They would have learnt more about the first team in an competitive match situation - not an empty gesture at all.

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6 Town youngsters on the bench on 09:08 - Apr 24 with 1154 views

BondiBlue

6 Town youngsters on the bench on 07:51 - Apr 24 by MattinLondon
They would have learnt more about the first team in an competitive match situation - not an empty gesture at all. [Post edited 24 Apr 2022 7:52]

I'm a firm believer in learning by doing, or what teachers refer to as being active in the learning rather than passive. I take your point but sitting on the bench and watching is passive. To understand the responsibility you have as a first-team player, you need to play in a first team.

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6 Town youngsters on the bench on 09:22 - Apr 24 with 1125 views

ElephantintheRoom

6 Town youngsters on the bench on 09:08 - Apr 24 by BondiBlue
I'm a firm believer in learning by doing, or what teachers refer to as being active in the learning rather than passive. I take your point but sitting on the bench and watching is passive. To understand the responsibility you have as a first-team player, you need to play in a first team.

I agree with everything you say and the absurdity of McKenna’s token gesture was shown by bringing Bonne on - who will be gone by the weekend (and should never have been borrowed to ‘block the pathway’

BUT McKenna only has to look at what happened to Cook. All this backing and backslapping from Ashton could be replaced by a dagger 8 weeks into the new season. Being manager of a declining football club led by trigger happy opportunists doesn’t necessarily encourage long term thinking or risk taking.

That’s why I anticipate another five pointless loans next season and a ‘blocked pathway’ justified by another plausible excuse.

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6 Town youngsters on the bench on 11:06 - Apr 24 with 1062 views

clive_baker

6 Town youngsters on the bench on 09:22 - Apr 24 by ElephantintheRoom

It’s not a token gesture. It’s exposing a group of young players into the senior environment which in itself is a learning opportunity. Travelling away from home, the pre match prep, the intensity of a professional environment where 3 points are up for grabs on a Saturday afternoon and up close and personal to a home crowd. It’s all those little things that you can’t really learn or prepare for through academy football and u23. Whether they got 7 minutes at the end of the game or not is largely irrelevant. It’s perfectly common that young players will be introduced in such a manner and no doubt they all enjoyed it and will benefit from the experience. There’s also a wider point around the message it sends to senior players, if we have ambitions to keep Celina next season then putting a rookie on ahead of him probably isn’t the best way to go about it.

The OP is spot on. The BS replies that have followed aren’t.

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6 Town youngsters on the bench on 11:22 - Apr 24 with 1032 views

pointofblue

6 Town youngsters on the bench on 11:06 - Apr 24 by clive_baker

To be honest the tension around the academy players has only come to the fore since Dyer’s interview. Though I do wish, if we have the intention to keep the academy and not do a Brentford, that we’d do everything to become Category A.

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6 Town youngsters on the bench on 14:03 - Apr 24 with 930 views

BondiBlue

6 Town youngsters on the bench on 11:06 - Apr 24 by clive_baker

So we disagree. No worries.

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6 Town youngsters on the bench on 15:41 - Apr 24 with 859 views

ElephantintheRoom

6 Town youngsters on the bench on 11:06 - Apr 24 by clive_baker

And very dispiriting if there is no intention of giving them a game ahead of numerous players who won’t be here next season (including Celina) - almost as dispiriting as being played in a cup game the club is trying to lose.

McKenna is supposed to have youth development skills - though this seems to have coincided with a totally barren patch at Manure where mysteriously the coaching was also heavily criticised. Where you and I will differ is that I see Town as mid-table trundlers, ‘enjoying’ a season of consolidation after needlessly and foolishly dismembering the team and placing numerous players on the naughty step where they sat on their contracts awaiting Cook’s inevitable sacking. You probably fell for the myth that they were somehow ‘in touch with the play offs’ and Cook had to keep playing his crop of inherited duds and keepers - let alone rent in a failure from Bristol City. But in an era of huge benches having young players on the bench ought to be the norm - not a pointless gesture against an utterly inept team long after a dispiriting season has petered out.

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6 Town youngsters on the bench on 15:51 - Apr 24 with 829 views

xrayspecs

6 Town youngsters on the bench on 00:50 - Apr 24 by BondiBlue
And none of them in the starting line-up against an already relegated team in a dead rubber. What's the point? They will have learned nothing today. None of them even came on! That's not a pathway, it's a token gesture.

Nonsense.

Youth players often progress from travelling with the first team, to sitting on the bench, to getting game time. Baggott had been travelling with the first team squad/warming up on pitch before being named in a matchday squad, before getting game time.

Also notice the pattern of being involved in away games first, as they will get to experience travelling with the squad, seeing how the team prepare overnight etc. Also less pressure to make first appearance away from home.

6 Town youngsters on the bench on 17:24 - Apr 24 with 746 views

Radlett_blue

6 Town youngsters on the bench on 11:22 - Apr 24 by pointofblue
To be honest the tension around the academy players has only come to the fore since Dyer’s interview. Though I do wish, if we have the intention to keep the academy and not do a Brentford, that we’d do everything to become Category A.

Whether the academy is worthwhile in the modern, money driven game when your best prospects are likely to be enticed away by richer clubs has been a valid debate for years. We have also wrangled many times on here about developing young players, many of whom won't actually be good enough & given the experiences with Rhodes & Marriott, the club often don't know themselves. Evans liked the academy; I wouldn't be too disappointed if it was dropped & replaced by a Brentford type system, but you'd have to put in the right infrastructure to make it work.
Still seemed daft to bring on Celina as a sub yesterday instead of Humphreys or Chirewa. You won't have a better chance than a dead rubber against a relegated team McKenna knows he will be expected to get Town in the play offs next season as a minimum expectation so I don't see many opportunities for the youngsters next season.

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6 Town youngsters on the bench on 18:03 - Apr 24 with 723 views

Swansea_Blue

6 Town youngsters on the bench on 09:08 - Apr 24 by BondiBlue
I'm a firm believer in learning by doing, or what teachers refer to as being active in the learning rather than passive. I take your point but sitting on the bench and watching is passive. To understand the responsibility you have as a first-team player, you need to play in a first team.

It’s not completely passive. The 90 minutes we see is the culmination of several days prep on the training pitch, pre-match briefings, travel, cool down, debriefings, etc. All geared around that first team squad. Sure, the game’s the most important, but there’s a lot more to learn than just the game.

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6 Town youngsters on the bench on 00:40 - Apr 25 with 630 views

BondiBlue

6 Town youngsters on the bench on 18:03 - Apr 24 by Swansea_Blue
It’s not completely passive. The 90 minutes we see is the culmination of several days prep on the training pitch, pre-match briefings, travel, cool down, debriefings, etc. All geared around that first team squad. Sure, the game’s the most important, but there’s a lot more to learn than just the game.

True. My frustration is that what you describe could have been done in previous games. When it became obvious weeks ago that these would be dead rubbers, the younger players could have been immediately brought into the squad with the intention of building towards minutes against crewe and charlton. The fact that they weren't, the ridiculous situation in which simpson wants to leave before even breaking into the team and dyer's protest resignation leads me to the conclusion that this is all just lip service.

Excellent point made above about the pressure on mckenna - this comes from the top. If they don't want an academy then fine, get rid of it. If they do, do it properly please.

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