| Progressive nationalism in action 14:04 - May 29 with 4974 views | tractordownsouth |
SNP MP demonstrating her left-wing credentials by arguing that Scotland shouldn't be helping poor people from other countries... how is this any different from Nigel Farage and co calling for foreign aid cuts or blaming all our problems on Romanians and Bulgarians?
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 14:07 - May 29 with 2403 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
*something about smeary* |  | | |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 14:10 - May 29 with 2387 views | Darth_Koont |
Silly boy. |  |
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 14:11 - May 29 with 2381 views | tractordownsouth |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 14:10 - May 29 by Darth_Koont |
Silly boy. |
Tell me how I'm wrong! | |
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 14:14 - May 29 with 2368 views | J2BLUE |
Oh well, balances out the Scots getting more spending per head. |  |
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 14:14 - May 29 with 2360 views | Darth_Koont |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 14:11 - May 29 by tractordownsouth |
Tell me how I'm wrong! |
Gmpf. | |
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 14:20 - May 29 with 2341 views | tractordownsouth |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 14:14 - May 29 by Darth_Koont |
Gmpf. |
You've convinced me. | |
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 14:21 - May 29 with 2333 views | J2BLUE |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 14:20 - May 29 by tractordownsouth |
You've convinced me. |
You should have known your place and not asked the question in the first place. | |
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 14:21 - May 29 with 2334 views | leitrimblue |
If you really can't see the difference then you should probably have a good hard think about it for a day or 2. If you still haven't worked it out by then I will be happy to explain it to you. Good luck |  | | |
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 14:28 - May 29 with 2299 views | Darth_Koont |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 14:21 - May 29 by J2BLUE |
You should have known your place and not asked the question in the first place. |
Indeed.
Clueless people add nothing to the debate. | |
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 15:33 - May 29 with 2152 views | tractordownsouth |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 14:28 - May 29 by Darth_Koont |
Indeed.
Clueless people add nothing to the debate. |
So you support removing the windfall tax revenues from low-income residents of England, Wales and Northern Ireland? | |
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 15:42 - May 29 with 2126 views | monytowbray |
With all historical and recent history, one would have to be very thick or wear some big blinkers to miss the point and take the right wing muck slinging angle bait so easily.
Come on TDS, engage your brain. |  |
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 15:46 - May 29 with 2107 views | monytowbray |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 15:33 - May 29 by tractordownsouth |
So you support removing the windfall tax revenues from low-income residents of England, Wales and Northern Ireland? |
No, he simply understands what fairness and/or taking the p1ss looks like in a global economy.
You’ve jumped through some hoops to conclude disagreeing with you means you must be anti-windfall energy tax and/or supporting vulnerable folk from any country.
You’ve also limited scope by framing a wider macro issue with endless micro solutions to a single short term option.
GB News and Talk TV would pay good money for a presenter of such calibre. [Post edited 29 May 2022 15:51]
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 15:54 - May 29 with 2086 views | tractordownsouth |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 15:46 - May 29 by monytowbray |
No, he simply understands what fairness and/or taking the p1ss looks like in a global economy.
You’ve jumped through some hoops to conclude disagreeing with you means you must be anti-windfall energy tax and/or supporting vulnerable folk from any country.
You’ve also limited scope by framing a wider macro issue with endless micro solutions to a single short term option.
GB News and Talk TV would pay good money for a presenter of such calibre. [Post edited 29 May 2022 15:51]
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I haven't jumped through any hoops. The MP is arguing for 90% of the windfall tax revenue to be spent in Scotland, despite the excessive profits coming from paying customers across the UK.
Keeping the lion's share of the revenue in Scotland would take it from the rest of the UK and therefore remove support away from poor people in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, condemning people to (even worse levels of) poverty
How is that progressive? | |
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 15:54 - May 29 with 2052 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 14:20 - May 29 by tractordownsouth |
You've convinced me. |
Don’t mention the ferries. [Post edited 29 May 2022 16:00]
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 15:56 - May 29 with 2072 views | Darth_Koont |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 15:33 - May 29 by tractordownsouth |
So you support removing the windfall tax revenues from low-income residents of England, Wales and Northern Ireland? |
No. And where does she even say that?
Quit the fanboy stuff for a while. You’re starting to sound like a loon. | |
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 16:00 - May 29 with 2045 views | monytowbray |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 15:54 - May 29 by tractordownsouth |
I haven't jumped through any hoops. The MP is arguing for 90% of the windfall tax revenue to be spent in Scotland, despite the excessive profits coming from paying customers across the UK.
Keeping the lion's share of the revenue in Scotland would take it from the rest of the UK and therefore remove support away from poor people in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, condemning people to (even worse levels of) poverty
How is that progressive? |
Maybe, just maybe, because we p1ssed on our own doorstep and dragged Scotland into the Brexit mess, and now demand they continue to honour a union that is practically an abusive relationship?
Maybe it’s because a windfall tax is largely a short term solution for one sector and for real progressive change we need to address the behaviour of corporations and the continual gap in wealth they are facilitating in a free market spiralling well into disaster capitalism?
If you posted this on Twitter Tom Hunt MP would retweet it, that’s how poor your take is. No nucianced thought or wider context, just soundbite mud slinging, whatteraboutery, false equivalence and emotive reactionary culture war crap.
You’re not silly like some of our resident gammons here, I expect better. [Post edited 29 May 2022 16:02]
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 16:01 - May 29 with 2035 views | pointofblue |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 15:54 - May 29 by tractordownsouth |
I haven't jumped through any hoops. The MP is arguing for 90% of the windfall tax revenue to be spent in Scotland, despite the excessive profits coming from paying customers across the UK.
Keeping the lion's share of the revenue in Scotland would take it from the rest of the UK and therefore remove support away from poor people in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, condemning people to (even worse levels of) poverty
How is that progressive? |
Listen again. She queries why other businesses who have seen major profits during the pandemic, such as Amazon and Serco, have not been hit badly rather than just oil and gas. At no point on the clip posted does she call for the money to be solely spent in Scotland either, though she does make a political point about how much an independent Scotland could raise using the charge. | |
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 16:05 - May 29 with 2007 views | tractordownsouth |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 15:56 - May 29 by Darth_Koont |
No. And where does she even say that?
Quit the fanboy stuff for a while. You’re starting to sound like a loon. |
She says that it's “income made in Scotland” so “It feels very unfair that Scotland is having to pay for the entirety of the UK” - implying that non-Scottish households shouldn't get the benefit of windfall tax revenue despite paying the record-high bills that contributed to the profits. This is a shameful policy which would plunge English, Welsh and Northern Irish people into poverty.
If calling me a loon because I've listened to her argument is the best you've got then so be it. | |
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 16:08 - May 29 with 1989 views | pointofblue |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 16:05 - May 29 by tractordownsouth |
She says that it's “income made in Scotland” so “It feels very unfair that Scotland is having to pay for the entirety of the UK” - implying that non-Scottish households shouldn't get the benefit of windfall tax revenue despite paying the record-high bills that contributed to the profits. This is a shameful policy which would plunge English, Welsh and Northern Irish people into poverty.
If calling me a loon because I've listened to her argument is the best you've got then so be it. |
No, she’s saying why just place the windfall tax against oil and gas companies? Why not stretch it out and include other companies who have recorded massive profits?
Edit - Profits, not products [Post edited 29 May 2022 16:13]
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 16:09 - May 29 with 1982 views | Darth_Koont |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 16:05 - May 29 by tractordownsouth |
She says that it's “income made in Scotland” so “It feels very unfair that Scotland is having to pay for the entirety of the UK” - implying that non-Scottish households shouldn't get the benefit of windfall tax revenue despite paying the record-high bills that contributed to the profits. This is a shameful policy which would plunge English, Welsh and Northern Irish people into poverty.
If calling me a loon because I've listened to her argument is the best you've got then so be it. |
“If that’s the best you’ve got …”
If only you’d thought about that before posting your OP. 😀 | |
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 16:12 - May 29 with 1971 views | monytowbray |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 16:05 - May 29 by tractordownsouth |
She says that it's “income made in Scotland” so “It feels very unfair that Scotland is having to pay for the entirety of the UK” - implying that non-Scottish households shouldn't get the benefit of windfall tax revenue despite paying the record-high bills that contributed to the profits. This is a shameful policy which would plunge English, Welsh and Northern Irish people into poverty.
If calling me a loon because I've listened to her argument is the best you've got then so be it. |
I don’t support or approve card machines in shops that ask me to round up my purchase for charity so they can take credit and dodge tax. I don’t support the idea that we collectively have to pay to put food in the food bank box in supermarkets because the businesses make more annual profit than we live on in a lifetime.
Do these things mean I am not progressive because I see through short term solutions, gesture politics and whitewashed marketing that offsets the problem from those who caused and uphold it to those largely not responsible and more likely to fall victim to it? Does it mean I want all poor people to die?
Of course it doesn’t. Think critically or stop wasting everyone’s time. [Post edited 29 May 2022 16:20]
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 16:12 - May 29 with 1970 views | tractordownsouth |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 16:00 - May 29 by monytowbray |
Maybe, just maybe, because we p1ssed on our own doorstep and dragged Scotland into the Brexit mess, and now demand they continue to honour a union that is practically an abusive relationship?
Maybe it’s because a windfall tax is largely a short term solution for one sector and for real progressive change we need to address the behaviour of corporations and the continual gap in wealth they are facilitating in a free market spiralling well into disaster capitalism?
If you posted this on Twitter Tom Hunt MP would retweet it, that’s how poor your take is. No nucianced thought or wider context, just soundbite mud slinging, whatteraboutery, false equivalence and emotive reactionary culture war crap.
You’re not silly like some of our resident gammons here, I expect better. [Post edited 29 May 2022 16:02]
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The first two paragraphs are separate issues. I completely agree we need to put more measures in place alongside the windfall tax and other sectors such as housing, transport and the environment also need to be looked at but that's not the point being made by the SNP MP.
She's talking solely about the windfall tax and saying that revenues should be kept in Scotland, which would take them away from English, Welsh and Northern Irish households.
I realise I'm being a bit of a hypocrite by mentioning a separate issue after my first paragraph but as an aside it's also not very progressive or environmentally friendly to be relying on oil and gas revenues to fund a post-independence Scotland. | |
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 16:14 - May 29 with 1967 views | tractordownsouth |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 16:12 - May 29 by monytowbray |
I don’t support or approve card machines in shops that ask me to round up my purchase for charity so they can take credit and dodge tax. I don’t support the idea that we collectively have to pay to put food in the food bank box in supermarkets because the businesses make more annual profit than we live on in a lifetime.
Do these things mean I am not progressive because I see through short term solutions, gesture politics and whitewashed marketing that offsets the problem from those who caused and uphold it to those largely not responsible and more likely to fall victim to it? Does it mean I want all poor people to die?
Of course it doesn’t. Think critically or stop wasting everyone’s time. [Post edited 29 May 2022 16:20]
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She's not arguing against the short-term windfall tax solution. She's arguing for it, but with revenues taken away from poor people in England, Wales and Northern Ireland and given to Scotland. | |
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 16:19 - May 29 with 1949 views | monytowbray |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 16:12 - May 29 by tractordownsouth |
The first two paragraphs are separate issues. I completely agree we need to put more measures in place alongside the windfall tax and other sectors such as housing, transport and the environment also need to be looked at but that's not the point being made by the SNP MP.
She's talking solely about the windfall tax and saying that revenues should be kept in Scotland, which would take them away from English, Welsh and Northern Irish households.
I realise I'm being a bit of a hypocrite by mentioning a separate issue after my first paragraph but as an aside it's also not very progressive or environmentally friendly to be relying on oil and gas revenues to fund a post-independence Scotland. |
They aren’t separate issues, they are all related with causation, correlation and societal attitudes that feed into a bigger system.
It is ironic you seem to pick and choose when something is an isolated matter with outcome (see this thread) vs when it’s not.
The point made in the tweet you linked is also not close to what you suggested though, so even then the above doesn’t apply. You are simply being disingenuous. Is it no wonder your only cheerleader in the thread is Glassers?!
Chalk it up as a loss and move on. Like the time you tried to claim XR block ambulances, which followed a very similar pattern of (information + soundbite + opinion) - what actually happened or was said = wrong conclusion
In general you are better than that, and this post is disappointing. [Post edited 29 May 2022 16:23]
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| Progressive nationalism in action on 16:22 - May 29 with 1923 views | monytowbray |
| Progressive nationalism in action on 16:14 - May 29 by tractordownsouth |
She's not arguing against the short-term windfall tax solution. She's arguing for it, but with revenues taken away from poor people in England, Wales and Northern Ireland and given to Scotland. |
She’s arguing for it not just coming mainly from a Scottish sector when there are plenty of other UK businesses that should top up the coffers. This would mean more money to help everyone and not mean England pillages Scotland’s economy.
You are being disingenuous. There’s little else to add. | |
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