| Renegade Statman's Interview... 00:40 - Jul 3 with 5202 views | OriginalMarkyP |
...with Norwood.
Say what you like about him, but Norwood is refreshingly honest.
Should have kept him on for this season.
Very funny, when he says what KMcK said when he 'hugged' him when he came on for the final game. [Post edited 3 Jul 2022 0:42]
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 08:10 - Jul 3 with 3317 views | textbackup |
Personally all that interview done for me was proved moving away from players like him, and going in the direction we are, is a much better look.
Clearly hates Ashton, but I think I’m comfortable with the thought that Ashtons time here will be more successful than Norwoods.
The way he brags he could ‘end someone life/career’ wtf is that all about
And the way he talks about the drink driving, like it’s almost someone else’s fault.
Na, glad to see the back of him personally |  |
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 08:32 - Jul 3 with 3244 views | Veggie |
It was an interesting listen, and gave some good insight into what goes on behind the scenes.
One thing that came through though was what a bubble footballers seem to live in (or Norwood especially). There is an arrogance and belief that what they go through is so much tougher than anyone else has to go through. Yes there is a physical demand on their bodies, and a threat of injury, but they’re not potentially risking their lives in the way soldiers or even the police/firefighters sometimes have to. There was even mention of having to withstand whole afternoons with nothing to do. I mean, poor old them, must be hell.
I think he even referred to us mere plebs as ‘normal humans’ at one point. Jesus. [Post edited 3 Jul 2022 8:34]
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 08:50 - Jul 3 with 3156 views | jayessess |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 08:10 - Jul 3 by textbackup |
Personally all that interview done for me was proved moving away from players like him, and going in the direction we are, is a much better look.
Clearly hates Ashton, but I think I’m comfortable with the thought that Ashtons time here will be more successful than Norwoods.
The way he brags he could ‘end someone life/career’ wtf is that all about
And the way he talks about the drink driving, like it’s almost someone else’s fault.
Na, glad to see the back of him personally |
I don't think the interview reflected very well on anyone involved in the club. Putting Norwood's attitude (very immature, all bravado and lack of personal responsibility) aside for a second, the club's management of him sounds atrocious.
The description of getting him to play through injuries is absolute Dark Ages stuff. Where was the duty of care towards players and their careers? [Post edited 3 Jul 2022 9:28]
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 08:57 - Jul 3 with 3108 views | Stewart27 |
You think we should have kept a player on because he is honest? Irrespective of his poor goalscoring record. |  | | |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... (n/t) on 08:59 - Jul 3 with 3090 views | DJR |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 08:32 - Jul 3 by Veggie |
It was an interesting listen, and gave some good insight into what goes on behind the scenes.
One thing that came through though was what a bubble footballers seem to live in (or Norwood especially). There is an arrogance and belief that what they go through is so much tougher than anyone else has to go through. Yes there is a physical demand on their bodies, and a threat of injury, but they’re not potentially risking their lives in the way soldiers or even the police/firefighters sometimes have to. There was even mention of having to withstand whole afternoons with nothing to do. I mean, poor old them, must be hell.
I think he even referred to us mere plebs as ‘normal humans’ at one point. Jesus. [Post edited 3 Jul 2022 8:34]
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 09:03 - Jul 3 with 3052 views | DJR |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 08:32 - Jul 3 by Veggie |
It was an interesting listen, and gave some good insight into what goes on behind the scenes.
One thing that came through though was what a bubble footballers seem to live in (or Norwood especially). There is an arrogance and belief that what they go through is so much tougher than anyone else has to go through. Yes there is a physical demand on their bodies, and a threat of injury, but they’re not potentially risking their lives in the way soldiers or even the police/firefighters sometimes have to. There was even mention of having to withstand whole afternoons with nothing to do. I mean, poor old them, must be hell.
I think he even referred to us mere plebs as ‘normal humans’ at one point. Jesus. [Post edited 3 Jul 2022 8:34]
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I suppose with footballers there are highs and lows (eg. injuries, being out of favour), but I imagine the lows are made worse if you have a lot of time on your hands to dwell on things, or if you are approaching the end of your career. [Post edited 3 Jul 2022 9:07]
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 09:06 - Jul 3 with 3028 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Norwood served a purpose, but we are moving on to bigger, better things now and we need to build a squad to reflect that. | | | |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 09:21 - Jul 3 with 2943 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
It was a great interview, with some really interesting insights. Even Norwood isn't certain who made the decision for him to train with the U23s, so reading between the lines my guess is that Ashton thought the drink driving thing reflected badly on the club, and PC (who was under a bit of pressure before the new season started) made the final call knowing that it was what Ashton wanted. By mid way through the season, KM comes in and Nors has paid his debt by spending half a season in the U23s, so has a clean(er) plate and comes back in the fold. Unsurprisingly, Nors can't stand Mark Ashton.
Great to hear that Nors rates KM very highly, and also Morsy. But the way he talks about Cam Humphries was quality, and I can't wait to see more of him - I think Leigh and Ball are gonna have to battle very hard to keep him out of the starting 11.
I wish Nors well (except against us), and appreciate his honesty (e.g. the sh1thousing) which gives far more of an insight into what it is like as a player than any of us fans can ever understand. |  |
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 09:23 - Jul 3 with 2934 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
It just felt like the dyer interview again. Both a little bit sh1t stirring, when we are in the most positive time of the club, do we really need Norwood saying he can ruin someone’s career, or everything will come out in due course. I’m not saying Norwood is 100% wrong, maybe there were things behind the scenes, bur of course he’s gonna be bitter when all his mates were shipped out. I’m sure if he had the chance to stay here, he would’ve every day of the week.
Stat is a good interviewer I may add, but you can tell Norwood/ dyer suits his narrative of how he feels about Ashton |  | | |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 09:32 - Jul 3 with 2855 views | itfcjoe |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 08:10 - Jul 3 by textbackup |
Personally all that interview done for me was proved moving away from players like him, and going in the direction we are, is a much better look.
Clearly hates Ashton, but I think I’m comfortable with the thought that Ashtons time here will be more successful than Norwoods.
The way he brags he could ‘end someone life/career’ wtf is that all about
And the way he talks about the drink driving, like it’s almost someone else’s fault.
Na, glad to see the back of him personally |
I think it is part of the footballer bubble, they believe everyone lives that life whereas if Norwood were to ‘roast’ you on social media what would actually change in your life? Nothing - but they live in a playground mentality where they think you will be found out and have to change your GCSE options as don’t want to be in same class anymore!
Agree re DD, lack of personal responsibility and he’s economic with truth re fitness for his time here at times.
Think he’s been treated very badly at times and the injury stuff shows so much about how club was run - I think there needs to be a balance between the old and new at times and whilst I generally liked JN he just isn’t compatible with where we want to go…..but, another player you think what would’ve happened had McKenna came in earlier and we had a proper manager over last few years. So many players been badly let down by the club |  |
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 09:35 - Jul 3 with 2825 views | gtsb1966 |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 09:32 - Jul 3 by itfcjoe |
I think it is part of the footballer bubble, they believe everyone lives that life whereas if Norwood were to ‘roast’ you on social media what would actually change in your life? Nothing - but they live in a playground mentality where they think you will be found out and have to change your GCSE options as don’t want to be in same class anymore!
Agree re DD, lack of personal responsibility and he’s economic with truth re fitness for his time here at times.
Think he’s been treated very badly at times and the injury stuff shows so much about how club was run - I think there needs to be a balance between the old and new at times and whilst I generally liked JN he just isn’t compatible with where we want to go…..but, another player you think what would’ve happened had McKenna came in earlier and we had a proper manager over last few years. So many players been badly let down by the club |
"So many players been badly let down by the club". Not a dig but I would be interested to hear who and why. |  | | |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 09:35 - Jul 3 with 2823 views | Simonds92 |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 09:06 - Jul 3 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Norwood served a purpose, but we are moving on to bigger, better things now and we need to build a squad to reflect that. |
Are we? Because we haven't improved upon him yet have we, lets hope we get someone through the door by the end of the month. I know its easier to have offloaded him but i would have much rather had him in amongst the squad than Piggot. Norwood impacts games, even in a lean spell he causes lots of problems for defenders. | | | |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 09:40 - Jul 3 with 2764 views | DJR |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 09:35 - Jul 3 by Simonds92 |
Are we? Because we haven't improved upon him yet have we, lets hope we get someone through the door by the end of the month. I know its easier to have offloaded him but i would have much rather had him in amongst the squad than Piggot. Norwood impacts games, even in a lean spell he causes lots of problems for defenders. |
I agree he's better than Pigott, and it's not down to him that we have failed to get out of Div 1 these last three seasons. But I think his age and injury record probably counts against him, as well as being out of favour with those higher up the club. [Post edited 3 Jul 2022 9:41]
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 09:49 - Jul 3 with 2699 views | Keno |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 09:35 - Jul 3 by Simonds92 |
Are we? Because we haven't improved upon him yet have we, lets hope we get someone through the door by the end of the month. I know its easier to have offloaded him but i would have much rather had him in amongst the squad than Piggot. Norwood impacts games, even in a lean spell he causes lots of problems for defenders. |
the way some people go on about Norwood you'd think he was a cross between Mariner, Whymark, Messi, Ronaldo, Greaves, Lineaker, Shearer, Kane, Crawford and Philips
He was ok, put himself about a bit was in no way as prolific as hes been made out to be and so far we replaced him with a guy with higher league experience |  |
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 09:57 - Jul 3 with 2640 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 09:35 - Jul 3 by Simonds92 |
Are we? Because we haven't improved upon him yet have we, lets hope we get someone through the door by the end of the month. I know its easier to have offloaded him but i would have much rather had him in amongst the squad than Piggot. Norwood impacts games, even in a lean spell he causes lots of problems for defenders. |
Ladapo is clearly of higher pedigree than Norwood. | | | |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:03 - Jul 3 with 2565 views | itfcjoe |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 09:35 - Jul 3 by gtsb1966 |
"So many players been badly let down by the club". Not a dig but I would be interested to hear who and why. |
I’m not talking about individuals here, but a combination of an owner who cut costs at every corner and then totally empowered manager(s) who were nowhere near up to the job because it worked for a couple of years here with Mick in charge let everyone down.
I could list a dozen examples which would shock, most already in public domain one way or another - but we’ve relied on players staying professional for their own pride opposed to any support from the club to do so.
Norwood not everyone’s cup of tea, and often not mine, but he’s playing games when he can barely walk, having to delay operations to appease the club and not only is he not getting credited for it he’s getting actively admonished by the club because he isn’t playing as well as he was when fit….no wonder they bear grudges to some extent | |
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:06 - Jul 3 with 2532 views | ZXBlue |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:03 - Jul 3 by itfcjoe |
I’m not talking about individuals here, but a combination of an owner who cut costs at every corner and then totally empowered manager(s) who were nowhere near up to the job because it worked for a couple of years here with Mick in charge let everyone down.
I could list a dozen examples which would shock, most already in public domain one way or another - but we’ve relied on players staying professional for their own pride opposed to any support from the club to do so.
Norwood not everyone’s cup of tea, and often not mine, but he’s playing games when he can barely walk, having to delay operations to appease the club and not only is he not getting credited for it he’s getting actively admonished by the club because he isn’t playing as well as he was when fit….no wonder they bear grudges to some extent |
Just as likely he was being asked not to duck out at evey slight twinge.
Need the full story from both sides to reach a fair conclusion. | | | |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:07 - Jul 3 with 2519 views | Keno |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:03 - Jul 3 by itfcjoe |
I’m not talking about individuals here, but a combination of an owner who cut costs at every corner and then totally empowered manager(s) who were nowhere near up to the job because it worked for a couple of years here with Mick in charge let everyone down.
I could list a dozen examples which would shock, most already in public domain one way or another - but we’ve relied on players staying professional for their own pride opposed to any support from the club to do so.
Norwood not everyone’s cup of tea, and often not mine, but he’s playing games when he can barely walk, having to delay operations to appease the club and not only is he not getting credited for it he’s getting actively admonished by the club because he isn’t playing as well as he was when fit….no wonder they bear grudges to some extent |
Thats all pre-ashton tho is it?
not sure why the anti-ash ton line keeps getting peddled | |
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:16 - Jul 3 with 2449 views | itfcjoe |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:07 - Jul 3 by Keno |
Thats all pre-ashton tho is it?
not sure why the anti-ash ton line keeps getting peddled |
Yep, there were always going to be casualties in with new ownership and he was one - but the main and huge problems were prior to this era | |
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:24 - Jul 3 with 2376 views | jayessess |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 09:49 - Jul 3 by Keno |
the way some people go on about Norwood you'd think he was a cross between Mariner, Whymark, Messi, Ronaldo, Greaves, Lineaker, Shearer, Kane, Crawford and Philips
He was ok, put himself about a bit was in no way as prolific as hes been made out to be and so far we replaced him with a guy with higher league experience |
There's a very strange phenomenon with Norwood where he seems to have talked/memed people into thinking he's a player he's not. He has some good qualities (excellent off the ball movement being the main one), but he categorically wasn't this all-action, constantly involved, terror to defenders striker he's painted as, certainly not for us anyway.
Was he good out of possession? Not especially. Was he good player to have contesting duels and fighting for second balls? Not really. He carried himself like he was, but he wasn't! | |
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:26 - Jul 3 with 2354 views | Keno |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:24 - Jul 3 by jayessess |
There's a very strange phenomenon with Norwood where he seems to have talked/memed people into thinking he's a player he's not. He has some good qualities (excellent off the ball movement being the main one), but he categorically wasn't this all-action, constantly involved, terror to defenders striker he's painted as, certainly not for us anyway.
Was he good out of possession? Not especially. Was he good player to have contesting duels and fighting for second balls? Not really. He carried himself like he was, but he wasn't! |
a bit like schrodinger's striker syndrome | |
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:34 - Jul 3 with 2336 views | Simonds92 |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:24 - Jul 3 by jayessess |
There's a very strange phenomenon with Norwood where he seems to have talked/memed people into thinking he's a player he's not. He has some good qualities (excellent off the ball movement being the main one), but he categorically wasn't this all-action, constantly involved, terror to defenders striker he's painted as, certainly not for us anyway.
Was he good out of possession? Not especially. Was he good player to have contesting duels and fighting for second balls? Not really. He carried himself like he was, but he wasn't! |
The other strange phenomenon amongst our fans is a group who say we should be aiming for better than Norwood and then in the next sentence state he will likely score a decent amount of goals wherever he goes. If he's good enough to do that, he's certainly good enough for us. | | | |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:37 - Jul 3 with 2291 views | DJR |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:24 - Jul 3 by jayessess |
There's a very strange phenomenon with Norwood where he seems to have talked/memed people into thinking he's a player he's not. He has some good qualities (excellent off the ball movement being the main one), but he categorically wasn't this all-action, constantly involved, terror to defenders striker he's painted as, certainly not for us anyway.
Was he good out of possession? Not especially. Was he good player to have contesting duels and fighting for second balls? Not really. He carried himself like he was, but he wasn't! |
I disagree with this. Obviously a player at this level will have limitations, but I feel his overall effort made up for some of these limitations, and he was certainly fairly effective at this level. Ultimately our failings these last three seasons aren't down to Norwood, but it seems clear that he is probably not the type of footballing/athletic player that McK favours, although it did seem that McK liked him. Indeed, had we not had Pigott on the books maybe we would have kept him (subject to Ashton), as a streetwise figure to bring on when things weren't going to plan. [Post edited 3 Jul 2022 10:40]
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| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:37 - Jul 3 with 2285 views | Veggie |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 08:10 - Jul 3 by textbackup |
Personally all that interview done for me was proved moving away from players like him, and going in the direction we are, is a much better look.
Clearly hates Ashton, but I think I’m comfortable with the thought that Ashtons time here will be more successful than Norwoods.
The way he brags he could ‘end someone life/career’ wtf is that all about
And the way he talks about the drink driving, like it’s almost someone else’s fault.
Na, glad to see the back of him personally |
Hates Ashton in the same way a ‘cool’ kid at school hates the headmaster because he suspended him for smoking behind the bike sheds. Pretty puerile stuff. | | | |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:41 - Jul 3 with 2227 views | jayessess |
| Renegade Statman's Interview... on 10:34 - Jul 3 by Simonds92 |
The other strange phenomenon amongst our fans is a group who say we should be aiming for better than Norwood and then in the next sentence state he will likely score a decent amount of goals wherever he goes. If he's good enough to do that, he's certainly good enough for us. |
I don't think that's strange. Perfectly coherent to think Norwood's goalscoring record is good, but isn't "forget his general play, his fitness issues and his ongoing immaturity around his legal issues" good. | |
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