| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? 16:03 - Aug 22 with 5258 views | unstableblue |
Obviously Town were playing at a higher level in the Championship, there are players in that picture such as Skuse and Webster who were undoubted quality, Mick was getting us to over perform on his budget... but at what cost? entertainment, and attacking excitement were leaving Portman Road, much like the fans - pragmatism reigned.
I don't look back to the 16/17 season and think 'What. A. Team'. I think about leaving Portman Road being hugely underwhelmed. As did the 1000s who were no longer attending. Its funny how many of our fans look back on the Mick years with such rose tinted spectacles, play-off season aside.
We were the third lowest scorers in the league that season. Our crowds were 15k or 16k often.. we got low crowds even for Forest and QPR. Average was down 16,980 (akin to our current season ticket sales alone), down from 18,989 in the play-off season, and crashing to 16,272 the season that followed. We were out thought and outplayed technically throughout the season (see McKenna recent interview if you want an explanation of technical)
This season our average is 24,866!! There is a connection to players (Chaplin, Edmundson, Donacien, Burns, Morsy) and manager like I cannot remember - do you feel as connected to Knudsen as you do Leigh? And critically the football on display is exciting and entertaining. We have a modern manager, who communicates to us about games at another level.
This all becomes a mute point if we don't get promoted, and show quality in the Championship, but for me this feels like a team to be really proud of:
Rather than lauding the gripes of disgruntled former players and harking back to what was a poor time in the overall dark Evans years. |  |
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| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 16:07 - Aug 22 with 3344 views | homer_123 |
Were we in the Championship then? |  |
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| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 16:16 - Aug 22 with 3288 views | Steve_M |
| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 16:07 - Aug 22 by homer_123 |
Were we in the Championship then? |
Well, quite. And we sold our main striker within days of that photo without replacing him. It was a pretty crap season all in all but rather better than the last four. |  |
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| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 16:18 - Aug 22 with 3244 views | unstableblue |
"Obviously Town were playing at a higher level in the Championship, there are players in that picture such as Skuse and Webster who were undoubted quality, Mick was getting us to over perform on his budget... but at what cost? entertainment, and attacking excitement were leaving Portman Road, much like the fans - pragmatism reigned."
So you think its a Ipswich Town team and season to be lauded then?
Perhaps the key statement was "Mick was getting us to over perform on his budget".. and that is to be commended, I just don't feel a connection to that group of players and team, like I do with our current group and manager.. don't feel that a an 'A Team'. But perhaps that's just me.. but I'm not sure it is... the energy and excitement in the crowds in opening games of this season... seems a completely different level to 2016 | |
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| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 16:19 - Aug 22 with 3233 views | unstableblue |
| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 16:07 - Aug 22 by homer_123 |
Were we in the Championship then? |
++++ "Obviously Town were playing at a higher level in the Championship, there are players in that picture such as Skuse and Webster who were undoubted quality, Mick was getting us to over perform on his budget... but at what cost? entertainment, and attacking excitement were leaving Portman Road, much like the fans - pragmatism reigned."
So you think its a Ipswich Town team and season to be lauded then?
Perhaps the key statement was "Mick was getting us to over perform on his budget".. and that is to be commended, I just don't feel a connection to that group of players and team, like I do with our current group and manager.. don't feel that a an 'A Team'. But perhaps that's just me.. but I'm not sure it is... the energy and excitement in the crowds in opening games of this season... seems a completely different level to 2016 | |
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| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 16:23 - Aug 22 with 3182 views | unstableblue |
| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 16:16 - Aug 22 by Steve_M |
Well, quite. And we sold our main striker within days of that photo without replacing him. It was a pretty crap season all in all but rather better than the last four. |
Agree it was season better than the bungling of Hurst, the false promise of Lambert, and the technical acumenless Cook (albeit he brought in some of the characters that now form our 'A Team' and Pompey/Wycombe away were a joy to watch, be there) ... but some of those McKenna performances end of last season were pretty darn good weren't they.
But of course as I've said, we can't compare until we're back in the championship, but I'm confident. And of course Mick was hampered by budgets, e.g. Murphy sale... but I'm not sure the football style was ever going to merit an 'A Team' badge, | |
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| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 16:26 - Aug 22 with 3162 views | itfcjoe |
Our budget was probably the same to finish 11th in League 1 as was in those Championship years, so showed the sort of job that was being done.
I really like the current team, and feel like good guys off pitch etc - but that team were that and achieved far more.
A proportion of the fanbase got sick of that team, and love the current team - as evidenced by talk of POTY in the 20/21 (won't vote for any of these, no one deserves it) compared to 21/22 (great to have so many choices to vote for) in a season where budget went up massively and we accumulated one more point - even forgetting that that team up until Cook arrived were on the verge of the play offs and last years one never was.
I've liked most Ipswich teams in my life time, but we do need to wait for this lot to achieve something before lauding Walton as better than Bart, Morsy as our best captain since Holland, Edmundson as better than Berra etc. We look well on the way to doing something, but with this squad in this league it's a minimum requirement |  |
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| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 16:40 - Aug 22 with 3020 views | jayessess |
I think it's objectively true that there's a lot of quality in that picture. People were praising Cook for assembling a good League One side on a Championship budget but you put it next to McCarthy's recruitment and it's nothing.
Imagine Evans had been prepared to break even on transfers and let McCarthy reinvest the Murphy money... |  |
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| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 16:42 - Aug 22 with 3015 views | Sarge |
All I remember about that season was the awful kit and reliance on Tom Lawrence. Genuinely I think of the players in that photo, only Murphy and Webster would be upgrades on the players we currently have in those positions. |  | | |
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| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 16:45 - Aug 22 with 2995 views | Steve_M |
| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 16:23 - Aug 22 by unstableblue |
Agree it was season better than the bungling of Hurst, the false promise of Lambert, and the technical acumenless Cook (albeit he brought in some of the characters that now form our 'A Team' and Pompey/Wycombe away were a joy to watch, be there) ... but some of those McKenna performances end of last season were pretty darn good weren't they.
But of course as I've said, we can't compare until we're back in the championship, but I'm confident. And of course Mick was hampered by budgets, e.g. Murphy sale... but I'm not sure the football style was ever going to merit an 'A Team' badge, |
I really like what McKenna is doing here and we have some good players who are really enjoyable to watch at the moment but we haven't actually achieved anything yet, know you note this but all of those players in that picture could hold their own in the middle of the Championship, and better in several cases.
And, sure, Mick's teams at their best didn't play football like McK's one does but it was quick direct football that was enjoyable to watch at it's best - the wins against Middlesbrough, Leeds, Brentford and Charlton in December 2014 alone. Even in 16-17 the Newcastle game was an absolute joy, adding a player like Huws (or McGoldrick) to the functional basics changed the whole dynamics of the team. | |
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| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 17:03 - Aug 22 with 2857 views | FrimleyBlue |
Did it have more than 1 academy player In it?
Ever since that fella did his interview with Dyer he's tried everything to make it look like the club are doing wrong. |  |
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| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 17:11 - Aug 22 with 2777 views | FrimleyBlue |
| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 16:26 - Aug 22 by itfcjoe |
Our budget was probably the same to finish 11th in League 1 as was in those Championship years, so showed the sort of job that was being done.
I really like the current team, and feel like good guys off pitch etc - but that team were that and achieved far more.
A proportion of the fanbase got sick of that team, and love the current team - as evidenced by talk of POTY in the 20/21 (won't vote for any of these, no one deserves it) compared to 21/22 (great to have so many choices to vote for) in a season where budget went up massively and we accumulated one more point - even forgetting that that team up until Cook arrived were on the verge of the play offs and last years one never was.
I've liked most Ipswich teams in my life time, but we do need to wait for this lot to achieve something before lauding Walton as better than Bart, Morsy as our best captain since Holland, Edmundson as better than Berra etc. We look well on the way to doing something, but with this squad in this league it's a minimum requirement |
Achieved far more? At the level they were playing they didn't achieve anything.
Neither side achieved anything.. difference is, this side still has the opportunity to achieve something. | |
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| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 17:14 - Aug 22 with 2769 views | dominiciawful |
Vile kit. Dreadful season. |  |
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| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 17:15 - Aug 22 with 2750 views | BiGDonnie |
| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 16:42 - Aug 22 by Sarge |
All I remember about that season was the awful kit and reliance on Tom Lawrence. Genuinely I think of the players in that photo, only Murphy and Webster would be upgrades on the players we currently have in those positions. |
Agreed.
Skuse, Knudsen Ward, Bru were all crap. |  |
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| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 17:18 - Aug 22 with 2737 views | davblue |
| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 17:11 - Aug 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Achieved far more? At the level they were playing they didn't achieve anything.
Neither side achieved anything.. difference is, this side still has the opportunity to achieve something. |
Our team finishing 11th last year was a massive underachievement compared to that team finishing where they did.
That team finishing where it did is a greater achievement, it’s a higher league, budget was around bottom 6 level.
That team was pretty poor and McCarthy got everything out of them to keep us up. |  | | |
| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 17:28 - Aug 22 with 2682 views | jayessess |
| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 17:03 - Aug 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Did it have more than 1 academy player In it?
Ever since that fella did his interview with Dyer he's tried everything to make it look like the club are doing wrong. |
Six academy grads appeared for us in the league that season. | |
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| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 17:29 - Aug 22 with 2685 views | DJR |
| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 17:11 - Aug 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Achieved far more? At the level they were playing they didn't achieve anything.
Neither side achieved anything.. difference is, this side still has the opportunity to achieve something. |
I suppose the achievement for much of the time since relegation from the Premier League was to be an established Championship team. Our current team has to be promoted first, and then stay up, which is not necessarily a given. I think if we are promoted we will have to invest in a few better players, but the good thing is that we have owners who appear willing to do this. But whatever happens, I like the way we are currently playing, and enjoy going to games, something which was not necessarily the case for a number of years. |  | | |
| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 17:32 - Aug 22 with 2640 views | FrimleyBlue |
| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 17:28 - Aug 22 by jayessess |
Six academy grads appeared for us in the league that season. |
But what about that specific game?..... as that's important I think, or at least that what be moaned about in sat. | |
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| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 17:37 - Aug 22 with 2626 views | jayessess |
| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 17:32 - Aug 22 by FrimleyBlue |
But what about that specific game?..... as that's important I think, or at least that what be moaned about in sat. |
None started, 1 subbed on (Bishop), 3 more unused subs (Smith, Dozzell, Kenlock). | |
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| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 17:37 - Aug 22 with 2610 views | FrimleyBlue |
| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 17:29 - Aug 22 by DJR |
I suppose the achievement for much of the time since relegation from the Premier League was to be an established Championship team. Our current team has to be promoted first, and then stay up, which is not necessarily a given. I think if we are promoted we will have to invest in a few better players, but the good thing is that we have owners who appear willing to do this. But whatever happens, I like the way we are currently playing, and enjoy going to games, something which was not necessarily the case for a number of years. |
Indeed. But you can only achieve things at the level you are first.
Only when hirst removed champ players and brought in league 1 and 2 players did we look like a side facing relegation.. until that point the champ sides under mick did what was expected of them. I don't see that they achieved anything to say they achieved more than a side who was plucked together in 1 window. If anything I'd say last seasons side achieved more through all the mayhem of a rubbish pre season. A manager who' clearly had lost the plot and then had a new manager come in. Whilst lookin for somewhere to live etc. | |
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| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 17:41 - Aug 22 with 2577 views | FrimleyBlue |
| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 17:37 - Aug 22 by jayessess |
None started, 1 subbed on (Bishop), 3 more unused subs (Smith, Dozzell, Kenlock). |
It's interesting his views on the academy. When using that game as a comparison.. 1 went onto be in the championship whilst the others league 1. 2
Surely it's about quality of those being brought through not the numbers...
Side note. Not seen it mentioned but Baggot is getting good reviews at Gillingham. | |
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| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 17:58 - Aug 22 with 2519 views | BlueBadger |
| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 17:15 - Aug 22 by BiGDonnie |
Agreed.
Skuse, Knudsen Ward, Bru were all crap. |
State of this. |  |
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| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 17:58 - Aug 22 with 2516 views | ParisBlue |
Midfield of Skuse, Douglas, Ward and Bru. What's not to like...? |  |
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| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 17:59 - Aug 22 with 2489 views | FrimleyBlue |
| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 17:58 - Aug 22 by BlueBadger |
State of this. |
Well he ain't wrong. | |
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| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 18:02 - Aug 22 with 2471 views | jayessess |
| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 17:41 - Aug 22 by FrimleyBlue |
It's interesting his views on the academy. When using that game as a comparison.. 1 went onto be in the championship whilst the others league 1. 2
Surely it's about quality of those being brought through not the numbers...
Side note. Not seen it mentioned but Baggot is getting good reviews at Gillingham. |
In the team of the week for his last game:
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| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 18:04 - Aug 22 with 2446 views | FrimleyBlue |
| What do people make of this Tweet lauding our 2016 side?? on 18:02 - Aug 22 by jayessess |
In the team of the week for his last game:
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I know it's great to see academy players involved.. but loans when done correctly for the right players are definitely better than the occasional game. This season will be brilliant for him. | |
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