| Dishonest to the last 08:15 - Sep 6 with 3217 views | ZXBlue |
Or perhaps just so painfully lacking in objectivity and self awareness, that the difference becomes meaningless.
""We are one whole and entire United Kingdom", Johnson says, making the case for the union.
He adds he believes the "union is so strong that those that want to break it up will keep trying, but they will never, ever succeed"
This would be a union on the point of destruction as a result of the Bre4xit project, and the dishonest dealings on the NI protocol and borders (which were always a fundamental issue without a solution, but were deliberately ignored and washed over by Johnson) |  | | |  |
| Dishonest to the last on 09:33 - Sep 6 with 2482 views | MattinLondon |
The irony being that those claiming to be ardent unionists are responsible for it possibly breaking-up.
Saying that, I doubt if Scotland will actually vote for independence anytime soon but Northern Ireland could well vote to become part of the Republic. |  | | |
| Dishonest to the last on 09:43 - Sep 6 with 2446 views | BlueBadger |
| Dishonest to the last on 09:33 - Sep 6 by MattinLondon |
The irony being that those claiming to be ardent unionists are responsible for it possibly breaking-up.
Saying that, I doubt if Scotland will actually vote for independence anytime soon but Northern Ireland could well vote to become part of the Republic. |
As far as I can make out(mate of my old man's is an ardent Scexiteer) the arguments for Scottish independence are essentially the same lies as those pumped out by the Brexiteers, only minus the worst of the open racism. [Post edited 6 Sep 2022 10:35]
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| Dishonest to the last on 09:48 - Sep 6 with 2408 views | leitrimblue |
| Dishonest to the last on 09:43 - Sep 6 by BlueBadger |
As far as I can make out(mate of my old man's is an ardent Scexiteer) the arguments for Scottish independence are essentially the same lies as those pumped out by the Brexiteers, only minus the worst of the open racism. [Post edited 6 Sep 2022 10:35]
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These uppity jocks. Why don't they just admit the English are their betters and let them rule over them? |  | | |
| Dishonest to the last on 09:54 - Sep 6 with 2384 views | BlueBadger |
| Dishonest to the last on 09:48 - Sep 6 by leitrimblue |
These uppity jocks. Why don't they just admit the English are their betters and let them rule over them? |
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| Dishonest to the last on 09:58 - Sep 6 with 2376 views | ElderGrizzly |
Summed up nicely here
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| Dishonest to the last on 10:32 - Sep 6 with 2307 views | Steve_M |
| Dishonest to the last on 09:43 - Sep 6 by BlueBadger |
As far as I can make out(mate of my old man's is an ardent Scexiteer) the arguments for Scottish independence are essentially the same lies as those pumped out by the Brexiteers, only minus the worst of the open racism. [Post edited 6 Sep 2022 10:35]
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There's plenty of anti-English racism in there too. And it's definitely as grounded in reality as Brexit was. |  |
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| Dishonest to the last on 10:44 - Sep 6 with 2267 views | XYZ |
| Dishonest to the last on 10:32 - Sep 6 by Steve_M |
There's plenty of anti-English racism in there too. And it's definitely as grounded in reality as Brexit was. |
The english are a "race"? | | | |
| Dishonest to the last on 10:52 - Sep 6 with 2242 views | ElderGrizzly |
He's not wrong
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| Dishonest to the last on 11:06 - Sep 6 with 2212 views | leitrimblue |
| Dishonest to the last on 09:54 - Sep 6 by BlueBadger |
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You forgiven those uppity Indians for wanting their independence yet? Any other colonial lessees you think should beg to return to their colonial masters? | | | |
| Dishonest to the last on 13:14 - Sep 6 with 2075 views | Darth_Koont |
| Dishonest to the last on 09:43 - Sep 6 by BlueBadger |
As far as I can make out(mate of my old man's is an ardent Scexiteer) the arguments for Scottish independence are essentially the same lies as those pumped out by the Brexiteers, only minus the worst of the open racism. [Post edited 6 Sep 2022 10:35]
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That’s your problem right there.
“As far as you can make out” is never further than the next hot take. |  |
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| Dishonest to the last on 13:35 - Sep 6 with 2057 views | Plums |
You can tell the country is broken when the national broadcaster needs to provide this article in response to the PM leaving office
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/62806217 |  |
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| Dishonest to the last on 14:22 - Sep 6 with 1997 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Dishonest to the last on 09:43 - Sep 6 by BlueBadger |
As far as I can make out(mate of my old man's is an ardent Scexiteer) the arguments for Scottish independence are essentially the same lies as those pumped out by the Brexiteers, only minus the worst of the open racism. [Post edited 6 Sep 2022 10:35]
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Rubbish, Brexit was an argument made based on nationalism, an illusion of loss of sovereignty, ‘being told what to do by foreigners’, and fictional economics…whereas Scottish Independence…. | | | |
| Dishonest to the last on 18:23 - Sep 6 with 1880 views | factual_blue |
The word 'charlatan' was created with boris in mind. |  |
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| Dishonest to the last on 08:42 - Sep 7 with 1726 views | Darth_Koont |
| Dishonest to the last on 14:22 - Sep 6 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Rubbish, Brexit was an argument made based on nationalism, an illusion of loss of sovereignty, ‘being told what to do by foreigners’, and fictional economics…whereas Scottish Independence…. |
There is nothing fictional about Scotland (and most other regions in the UK) having the worst economies and standards of living compared to any other country in Northwestern Europe.
These are no "sunny uplands". That's the real world, James.
There is also no "illusion of loss of sovereignty" either. The UK is the most centralised country in the OECD.
You also know that Scottish nationalism is nothing like Brexit jingoism. For starters it's civic nationalism which is massively different from the cultural/ethnic fantasy of self-proclaimed nationalists in England.
Of course, you can't and won't counter any of that because you know you're just trying to discredit and dismiss Scottish independence and don't have a serious point. | |
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| Dishonest to the last on 08:47 - Sep 7 with 1713 views | ZXBlue |
| Dishonest to the last on 08:42 - Sep 7 by Darth_Koont |
There is nothing fictional about Scotland (and most other regions in the UK) having the worst economies and standards of living compared to any other country in Northwestern Europe.
These are no "sunny uplands". That's the real world, James.
There is also no "illusion of loss of sovereignty" either. The UK is the most centralised country in the OECD.
You also know that Scottish nationalism is nothing like Brexit jingoism. For starters it's civic nationalism which is massively different from the cultural/ethnic fantasy of self-proclaimed nationalists in England.
Of course, you can't and won't counter any of that because you know you're just trying to discredit and dismiss Scottish independence and don't have a serious point. |
I love the way nationalists say that there version is not the same as the bad versions elsewhere.
Of course its similar. Its based ont he same fantasy that they are being ruled by people who dont have their best interests at heart and everything will be better without them. Brexit and scottish independence are extremely similar in mindset. | | | |
| Dishonest to the last on 08:48 - Sep 7 with 1705 views | Darth_Koont |
| Dishonest to the last on 10:32 - Sep 6 by Steve_M |
There's plenty of anti-English racism in there too. And it's definitely as grounded in reality as Brexit was. |
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| Dishonest to the last on 08:51 - Sep 7 with 1695 views | Darth_Koont |
| Dishonest to the last on 08:47 - Sep 7 by ZXBlue |
I love the way nationalists say that there version is not the same as the bad versions elsewhere.
Of course its similar. Its based ont he same fantasy that they are being ruled by people who dont have their best interests at heart and everything will be better without them. Brexit and scottish independence are extremely similar in mindset. |
Then you shouldn't have any trouble addressing my points and countering them.
Your throwaway statements of "fact" are more Brexiteerlike if we're being honest with ourselves. | |
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| Dishonest to the last on 10:44 - Sep 7 with 1622 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Dishonest to the last on 08:42 - Sep 7 by Darth_Koont |
There is nothing fictional about Scotland (and most other regions in the UK) having the worst economies and standards of living compared to any other country in Northwestern Europe.
These are no "sunny uplands". That's the real world, James.
There is also no "illusion of loss of sovereignty" either. The UK is the most centralised country in the OECD.
You also know that Scottish nationalism is nothing like Brexit jingoism. For starters it's civic nationalism which is massively different from the cultural/ethnic fantasy of self-proclaimed nationalists in England.
Of course, you can't and won't counter any of that because you know you're just trying to discredit and dismiss Scottish independence and don't have a serious point. |
So essentially you are saying that the Scottish Parliament has no power, and less so than regional assemblies etc in Northern Europe? Patently nonsense, and if that is the case then we may as well dissolve Scottish parliament in the event of a second rejection of independence?
Please point me to an economic analysis which suggests Scotland will be financially better off outside the UK and EU, and any credible plans for leaving the monetary Union, pension liabilities, sovereign debt sharing etc. I literally have no skin in the game, I don’t live there or particularly care if they stay or leave, but I’ve read enough to know that what they are promoting is pie in the sky stuff. | | | |
| Dishonest to the last on 11:39 - Sep 7 with 1594 views | XYZ |
| Dishonest to the last on 08:47 - Sep 7 by ZXBlue |
I love the way nationalists say that there version is not the same as the bad versions elsewhere.
Of course its similar. Its based ont he same fantasy that they are being ruled by people who dont have their best interests at heart and everything will be better without them. Brexit and scottish independence are extremely similar in mindset. |
Apart from Scotland wanting to be part of the EU? | | | |
| Dishonest to the last on 12:33 - Sep 7 with 1551 views | Darth_Koont |
| Dishonest to the last on 10:44 - Sep 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
So essentially you are saying that the Scottish Parliament has no power, and less so than regional assemblies etc in Northern Europe? Patently nonsense, and if that is the case then we may as well dissolve Scottish parliament in the event of a second rejection of independence?
Please point me to an economic analysis which suggests Scotland will be financially better off outside the UK and EU, and any credible plans for leaving the monetary Union, pension liabilities, sovereign debt sharing etc. I literally have no skin in the game, I don’t live there or particularly care if they stay or leave, but I’ve read enough to know that what they are promoting is pie in the sky stuff. |
Other countries have regional assemblies AND societies/economies aren’t so centralised and unbalanced. Completely different from how we put the responsibility for solving these structural problems on UK regional governments and with no real budget or the benefit of being sovereign to really address them.
There will be costs in the short term and some big ones too. But long-term the picture is worse as part of a failing UK and outside the EU. The Scottish economy desperately needs freedom of movement to grow and diversify, for example.
The evidence is all around you in our neighbours all outperforming the UK regions. What modelling are you using that says Scotland shouldn’t expect the same and should be happy being at the same level as former Eastern European states like Slovakia etc?
Let’s go from the real world and maybe we can stop playing games with baseless narratives. | |
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| Dishonest to the last on 13:57 - Sep 7 with 1480 views | giant_stow |
| Dishonest to the last on 08:42 - Sep 7 by Darth_Koont |
There is nothing fictional about Scotland (and most other regions in the UK) having the worst economies and standards of living compared to any other country in Northwestern Europe.
These are no "sunny uplands". That's the real world, James.
There is also no "illusion of loss of sovereignty" either. The UK is the most centralised country in the OECD.
You also know that Scottish nationalism is nothing like Brexit jingoism. For starters it's civic nationalism which is massively different from the cultural/ethnic fantasy of self-proclaimed nationalists in England.
Of course, you can't and won't counter any of that because you know you're just trying to discredit and dismiss Scottish independence and don't have a serious point. |
Our old friend "civic nationalism" is back! Always loved you civic. |  |
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| Dishonest to the last on 15:46 - Sep 7 with 1408 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Dishonest to the last on 12:33 - Sep 7 by Darth_Koont |
Other countries have regional assemblies AND societies/economies aren’t so centralised and unbalanced. Completely different from how we put the responsibility for solving these structural problems on UK regional governments and with no real budget or the benefit of being sovereign to really address them.
There will be costs in the short term and some big ones too. But long-term the picture is worse as part of a failing UK and outside the EU. The Scottish economy desperately needs freedom of movement to grow and diversify, for example.
The evidence is all around you in our neighbours all outperforming the UK regions. What modelling are you using that says Scotland shouldn’t expect the same and should be happy being at the same level as former Eastern European states like Slovakia etc?
Let’s go from the real world and maybe we can stop playing games with baseless narratives. |
Maybe the SNP can use that as their slogan - “SCEXIT, it might pay off in 30 years…” | | | |
| Dishonest to the last on 15:52 - Sep 7 with 1390 views | giant_stow |
| Dishonest to the last on 15:46 - Sep 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Maybe the SNP can use that as their slogan - “SCEXIT, it might pay off in 30 years…” |
I read an opinion piece the other day saying that the SNP have made such an almighty hash of running things (socially and financially) that perhaps its time to take back some powers off the devolved parliament, before they bankrupt the whole UK and ruin their own society. | |
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| Dishonest to the last on 21:40 - Sep 7 with 1287 views | Darth_Koont |
| Dishonest to the last on 15:52 - Sep 7 by giant_stow |
I read an opinion piece the other day saying that the SNP have made such an almighty hash of running things (socially and financially) that perhaps its time to take back some powers off the devolved parliament, before they bankrupt the whole UK and ruin their own society. |
You guys are running on empty and we’re still on the first page?
Jeez. | |
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| Dishonest to the last on 21:48 - Sep 7 with 1268 views | Darth_Koont |
| Dishonest to the last on 15:46 - Sep 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Maybe the SNP can use that as their slogan - “SCEXIT, it might pay off in 30 years…” |
You’re getting every bit as bad as your chums at ducking and weaving. | |
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