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I'm thinking that not one of the members of this administration will ever be able to get a government post again. They are going to be so tainted by the stench of complete incompetence and utter obnoxiousness that they could never be contemplated for any future cabinet, even if they have not yet personally opened their mouth and put their sh!tty trotter in it.
Of course, with any luck we'll never see another Tory government, but this lot seem to have pulled of the impossible and made Johnson's mob look other than the worst ever.
This grotesque has - "Ministers are expected to break a promise to announce an action plan to tackle smoking, in their latest controversial U-turn on public health, Whitehall insiders say.
Coffey, who is also the deputy prime minister, smokes and has previously accepted hospitality from the tobacco industry. Since becoming an MP in 2010 she has voted in the Commons against an array of measures to restrict smoking, including the ban on smoking in enclosed public spaces, the outlawing of smoking in cars containing children and forcing cigarettes to be sold in plain packs."
I have an interest in this having lost both my sister and father to smoking related lung cancer. To have to talk with someone under 50 when both of you know they have weeks left is blo ody painful. So anything that reduces the possibility of youngsters getting 'hooked' is of vital importance to me, and most others I would imagine.
I doubt the irony of that other grotesque, Braverman, wanting to make cannabis a class A drug while this obscenity takes money from drug peddlers - with millions of deaths on their hands.
Previously it was not fully known the harm smoking caused. We do know now. So for an MP, never mind a minister, to be in the pay of these merchants of death is not unbelievable, more symptomatic of the sickness that is at the heart of society.
Not them. Life throws up all kinds of oddities, but the odious folk who will trot off to the voting booth mumbling 'master knows best'
How the hell could any parent in their right minds vote from such an obnoxious creature ?
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What an embarrassment on 20:41 - Oct 11 with 2206 views
I shall try and think about something the pilsbury dough hag might be able to do well. All I can think of is grazing through a Kentucky party bucket in record time, bones n all. And the bucket.
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What an embarrassment on 20:41 - Oct 11 with 2209 views
What an embarrassment on 20:20 - Oct 11 by HARRY10
This grotesque has - "Ministers are expected to break a promise to announce an action plan to tackle smoking, in their latest controversial U-turn on public health, Whitehall insiders say.
Coffey, who is also the deputy prime minister, smokes and has previously accepted hospitality from the tobacco industry. Since becoming an MP in 2010 she has voted in the Commons against an array of measures to restrict smoking, including the ban on smoking in enclosed public spaces, the outlawing of smoking in cars containing children and forcing cigarettes to be sold in plain packs."
I have an interest in this having lost both my sister and father to smoking related lung cancer. To have to talk with someone under 50 when both of you know they have weeks left is blo ody painful. So anything that reduces the possibility of youngsters getting 'hooked' is of vital importance to me, and most others I would imagine.
I doubt the irony of that other grotesque, Braverman, wanting to make cannabis a class A drug while this obscenity takes money from drug peddlers - with millions of deaths on their hands.
Previously it was not fully known the harm smoking caused. We do know now. So for an MP, never mind a minister, to be in the pay of these merchants of death is not unbelievable, more symptomatic of the sickness that is at the heart of society.
Not them. Life throws up all kinds of oddities, but the odious folk who will trot off to the voting booth mumbling 'master knows best'
How the hell could any parent in their right minds vote from such an obnoxious creature ?
I don’t get lead in my voting by posters on here ( I’ve voted for all parties, never led by cult like fanaticism), but this specimen, who happens to be my MP, has virtually lost them the next election on her own. I knew she was odious when she left Ipswich off the Liverpool St to Norwich in 90 campaign! An MP in Suffolk literally damaging the local economy out of spite! Will East Suffolk go red? Probably not, still got the Woodbridge/ Aldburgh stretch to contend with.
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What an embarrassment on 21:47 - Oct 11 with 2155 views
What an embarrassment on 20:41 - Oct 11 by Bluespeed225
I don’t get lead in my voting by posters on here ( I’ve voted for all parties, never led by cult like fanaticism), but this specimen, who happens to be my MP, has virtually lost them the next election on her own. I knew she was odious when she left Ipswich off the Liverpool St to Norwich in 90 campaign! An MP in Suffolk literally damaging the local economy out of spite! Will East Suffolk go red? Probably not, still got the Woodbridge/ Aldburgh stretch to contend with.
The boiler is my dad’s MP. He and his brother and sis in law, who live in or near Woodbridge, will vote for it, so that’s three votes!
What an embarrassment on 20:41 - Oct 11 by Bluespeed225
I don’t get lead in my voting by posters on here ( I’ve voted for all parties, never led by cult like fanaticism), but this specimen, who happens to be my MP, has virtually lost them the next election on her own. I knew she was odious when she left Ipswich off the Liverpool St to Norwich in 90 campaign! An MP in Suffolk literally damaging the local economy out of spite! Will East Suffolk go red? Probably not, still got the Woodbridge/ Aldburgh stretch to contend with.
IIRC, somebody on here once posted a story about said MP diverting an ambulance by ringing the head of the East Anglia Ambulance Trust.
Edit: Sorry! This was meant to be replying to Harry about the lobbying part.
That’s normal. Or at least been normalised.
Mainstream politics has long been overrun by lobbyists and donors pushing their own vested interests and giving out sweeteners and well-paid jobs to the politicians that carry out their will.
Big Oil, Big Tobacco, US private healthcare corps, Israel, privatised utilities companies, Russian oligarchs and so on and so on. Not to mention the shady think tanks who are pushing extremist ideology as orthodoxy on a full range of issues.
That lack of democracy and democratic responsibility is made possible by the two-party FPTP system that keeps the entire political influence and favour industry intact no matter who you vote for. And the modern breed of politician isn’t just fine with that, “getting paid” while playing at politics is a big reason for why they’re there.
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Pronouns: He/Him
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What an embarrassment on 16:07 - Oct 12 with 1799 views
What an embarrassment on 10:25 - Oct 12 by Darth_Koont
Edit: Sorry! This was meant to be replying to Harry about the lobbying part.
That’s normal. Or at least been normalised.
Mainstream politics has long been overrun by lobbyists and donors pushing their own vested interests and giving out sweeteners and well-paid jobs to the politicians that carry out their will.
Big Oil, Big Tobacco, US private healthcare corps, Israel, privatised utilities companies, Russian oligarchs and so on and so on. Not to mention the shady think tanks who are pushing extremist ideology as orthodoxy on a full range of issues.
That lack of democracy and democratic responsibility is made possible by the two-party FPTP system that keeps the entire political influence and favour industry intact no matter who you vote for. And the modern breed of politician isn’t just fine with that, “getting paid” while playing at politics is a big reason for why they’re there.
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i am well aware of what lobbying is - it is those you are accepting money from ie extreme examples
Representing NT insterest Parliament, good - representing Putin, bad
As to yor guff about PR, that is nonsensical at best. PR would do little put put power into the hands of parties, and a handful of negotiators.
I prefer to know who I am voting for (person) and who will be in government should my choice succeed.
As patiently explained, it is not the system itself but how those within it act.
Lets start by removing ALL second jobs, other than those vocational
Lets make paid 'consultancies' declared on election blurb and elsewhere
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What an embarrassment on 16:33 - Oct 12 with 1773 views
What about the Scottish system of PR, Harry? You get to vote for your MSP and then there's top ups to ensure fair representation?
There's more than one version of PR.
You do understand that the TWTD crowd (as a generality) is reasonably politically aware?
reasonably....hmmm
Whilst some will argue that it is more representative, the argument that it does not deliver has a far greater case.
I am fully aware of the flaws in FPTP, but am also aware of the incredible naivety about PR. Pretty much every conversation I have had on this matter since 2019 I have discovered that almost to a person they had no idea how MPs are selected, nor the process of 'horse trading' that invariably follows an election.
The collective view is that it is like 650 decorators deciding on the exact colour of the emulsion. Somehow having PR would mean it would be a combination ie brown rather than red or green. Decisions are binary so it would still be red or green, only an awful lot of voters would feel 'cheated'.
If there were an extra 30 lib dems through PR, would it change things, no
If it were 60 then the Tories would lose their overall majority, and any coalition would mean both Tory and Libdems voters being used as a few negotiators saw fit
One of the main failures lies in parliament not be strictly regulated PR keeps that failing.
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What an embarrassment on 17:59 - Oct 12 with 1661 views
What an embarrassment on 17:53 - Oct 12 by HARRY10
reasonably....hmmm
Whilst some will argue that it is more representative, the argument that it does not deliver has a far greater case.
I am fully aware of the flaws in FPTP, but am also aware of the incredible naivety about PR. Pretty much every conversation I have had on this matter since 2019 I have discovered that almost to a person they had no idea how MPs are selected, nor the process of 'horse trading' that invariably follows an election.
The collective view is that it is like 650 decorators deciding on the exact colour of the emulsion. Somehow having PR would mean it would be a combination ie brown rather than red or green. Decisions are binary so it would still be red or green, only an awful lot of voters would feel 'cheated'.
If there were an extra 30 lib dems through PR, would it change things, no
If it were 60 then the Tories would lose their overall majority, and any coalition would mean both Tory and Libdems voters being used as a few negotiators saw fit
One of the main failures lies in parliament not be strictly regulated PR keeps that failing.
You'd think that if that argument were so convincing that more countries around the world would be using FPTP wouldn't you?
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What an embarrassment on 18:06 - Oct 12 with 1646 views
What an embarrassment on 17:53 - Oct 12 by HARRY10
reasonably....hmmm
Whilst some will argue that it is more representative, the argument that it does not deliver has a far greater case.
I am fully aware of the flaws in FPTP, but am also aware of the incredible naivety about PR. Pretty much every conversation I have had on this matter since 2019 I have discovered that almost to a person they had no idea how MPs are selected, nor the process of 'horse trading' that invariably follows an election.
The collective view is that it is like 650 decorators deciding on the exact colour of the emulsion. Somehow having PR would mean it would be a combination ie brown rather than red or green. Decisions are binary so it would still be red or green, only an awful lot of voters would feel 'cheated'.
If there were an extra 30 lib dems through PR, would it change things, no
If it were 60 then the Tories would lose their overall majority, and any coalition would mean both Tory and Libdems voters being used as a few negotiators saw fit
One of the main failures lies in parliament not be strictly regulated PR keeps that failing.
I think it's you that misunderstands PR, or at least you're not very good at making analogies.
You are the obsolete SRN4 to my Fairey Rotodyne....
To be fair, a big part of the problem hidden by those figures is those who do not turn out to vote. I am not convinced that is entirely down to FPTP (although I am also sure a fairer system would lead to an increase in turn out).
You'd think that if that argument were so convincing that more countries around the world would be using FPTP wouldn't you?
There are, it's just you are too stupid to grasp what happens in any Parliament
I have never defended FPTP, and have stated that it has many flaws, but as with a court a person is either guilty or not guilty. A jury decides either way. It does not as you PR sheep imagine deliver some verdict that finds the accused partly guilty.
My argument has been that numpties over excite themselves. Oblivious to the inherent problems with PR ie it removes local and national accountability
As with others living in this la la land of delusion you never come up with anything that addresses these problems - instead, merely bleating out like sheep having read am freshly painted slogan on the side of the barn.
ps perhaps football matches should be decided by PR, neither side wins and the points are apportioned on a PR basis
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What an embarrassment on 22:28 - Oct 12 with 1469 views
What an embarrassment on 22:23 - Oct 12 by HARRY10
There are, it's just you are too stupid to grasp what happens in any Parliament
I have never defended FPTP, and have stated that it has many flaws, but as with a court a person is either guilty or not guilty. A jury decides either way. It does not as you PR sheep imagine deliver some verdict that finds the accused partly guilty.
My argument has been that numpties over excite themselves. Oblivious to the inherent problems with PR ie it removes local and national accountability
As with others living in this la la land of delusion you never come up with anything that addresses these problems - instead, merely bleating out like sheep having read am freshly painted slogan on the side of the barn.
ps perhaps football matches should be decided by PR, neither side wins and the points are apportioned on a PR basis
Harry, being kind, that's just incoherent drivel. You're capable of much better.
FPTP will never deliver the ambitions of the impassioned ideas you've set out on here over the years.
No chance.
With PR (some of) your ideas have a chance of becoming government policy.
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What an embarrassment on 22:36 - Oct 12 with 1436 views
What an embarrassment on 22:01 - Oct 12 by Nthsuffolkblue
To be fair, a big part of the problem hidden by those figures is those who do not turn out to vote. I am not convinced that is entirely down to FPTP (although I am also sure a fairer system would lead to an increase in turn out).
Yes a fair point, certainly when viewed at individual constituency level where, under FPYP, gerrymandering can yeild definite results. The average turn out across the UK for the 2019 GE, though, was 67.3% which means
Electorate - 47,568,611 Voted - 32,013,675 Con - 13,966,454 (43.6% of votes cast, 29.4% of possible votes) Lab - 10,269,051 (32.1% of votes cast, 21.6% of possible votes)
And the same picture can be drawn for most, if not all, GEs in this country.
How can ANY government claim a national mandate on those kind of numbers, even if we ignore those who have not voted? Only in 1931 (the National Government election) did "one party" secure more than 50% of the votes cast (but still just shy of 50% of the possible vote) and yet we have seen 80/90/100 seat majorities in the HoC under both Labour and Conservative governments.
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