| What a Kök. 21:09 - Oct 22 with 5968 views | Miaow |
Feyenoord captain Orkun Kökçü refuses to wear a One Love armband due to his religion: "I have respect for everyone, but don't want to be a face for that campaign. I am loyal to my faith."
I'm not particularly keen on people being forced into things they don't want to do (depending on the what the thing in question is, of course), but this is depressing.
I wonder if he would feel so strongly about wearing a shirt with a gambling sponsor? |  |
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| What a Kök. on 21:17 - Oct 22 with 4484 views | FromReuserWithLove |
Did Morsy wear it last night? |  | | |
| What a Kök. on 21:37 - Oct 22 with 4406 views | SitfcB |
Nope. |  |
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| What a Kök. on 21:44 - Oct 22 with 4378 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
I just rewatched the highlights and I don't think so, looks to be wearing a standard armband from a distance. Davies had it on and it was quite visible, so I think not.
I understand why OP may find it depressing, but I don't think you can read much into it aside from a devotion to one's religion. These gestures are nice to have, but we should remember that faith is as important to some as sexuality is to others. |  |
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| What a Kök. on 22:02 - Oct 22 with 4308 views | Miaow |
| What a Kök. on 21:44 - Oct 22 by SlippinJimmyJuan |
I just rewatched the highlights and I don't think so, looks to be wearing a standard armband from a distance. Davies had it on and it was quite visible, so I think not.
I understand why OP may find it depressing, but I don't think you can read much into it aside from a devotion to one's religion. These gestures are nice to have, but we should remember that faith is as important to some as sexuality is to others. |
I know there seem to be quite a few gestures nowadays in football and other areas related to many issues, but somebody’s sexuality isn’t something which they can help, whereas religion is, well, religion. | |
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| What a Kök. on 22:05 - Oct 22 with 4281 views | MattinLondon |
| What a Kök. on 22:02 - Oct 22 by Miaow |
I know there seem to be quite a few gestures nowadays in football and other areas related to many issues, but somebody’s sexuality isn’t something which they can help, whereas religion is, well, religion. |
I’m sure a religious person could quite easily adapt their religion to justify their actions - or lack of it. |  | | |
| What a Kök. on 22:13 - Oct 22 with 4245 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| What a Kök. on 21:44 - Oct 22 by SlippinJimmyJuan |
I just rewatched the highlights and I don't think so, looks to be wearing a standard armband from a distance. Davies had it on and it was quite visible, so I think not.
I understand why OP may find it depressing, but I don't think you can read much into it aside from a devotion to one's religion. These gestures are nice to have, but we should remember that faith is as important to some as sexuality is to others. |
Great footballer but just wrong on this. I will leave the rest to my avatar. |  |
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| What a Kök. on 22:16 - Oct 22 with 4210 views | Lord_Lucan |
Is it a race thing? If so I would say he is a Kok not to wear it - and this is from someone who is not 100% supportive of the knee.
Armband - no problem, french kiss no problem, fondle of the nether regions no problem, taking a knee like a political activist, yeah, not too keen on that. |  |
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| What a Kök. on 22:21 - Oct 22 with 4179 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
| What a Kök. on 22:02 - Oct 22 by Miaow |
I know there seem to be quite a few gestures nowadays in football and other areas related to many issues, but somebody’s sexuality isn’t something which they can help, whereas religion is, well, religion. |
I'm an atheist, I think organised religion is just another means of control, but if somebody isn't actively preaching hate, then I don't believe it is fair to question something that gives them strength.
I don't think we often appreciate the pressure people face from their family and culture to follow norms and values. Morsy abstaining from wearing an armband doesn't make him a homophobe, he is just being faithful to his religion. He may not have any strong beliefs on the matter, and as long as he isn't persecuting someone, I don't care what his beliefs are. | |
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| What a Kök. on 22:24 - Oct 22 with 4114 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
| What a Kök. on 22:13 - Oct 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Great footballer but just wrong on this. I will leave the rest to my avatar. |
We don't know what he actually believes, and he's not abusing anybody for their sexuality. He's just abstaining from a public gesture. Many young Muslims have progressive views on sexuality, even if they wouldn't share that with their family. | |
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| What a Kök. on 22:25 - Oct 22 with 4103 views | bournemouthblue |
| What a Kök. on 22:16 - Oct 22 by Lord_Lucan |
Is it a race thing? If so I would say he is a Kok not to wear it - and this is from someone who is not 100% supportive of the knee.
Armband - no problem, french kiss no problem, fondle of the nether regions no problem, taking a knee like a political activist, yeah, not too keen on that. |
I get people wanting people to have free choice, it's the lack of consistency for me that they tend to show in matters like that
A lot of people who are funny about 'the knee' would be up in arms if people weren't wearing the poppy, with no hint of irony
And I'm not against the poppy in any way, before people accuse me of disrespect |  |
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| What a Kök. on 22:26 - Oct 22 with 4098 views | Miaow |
| What a Kök. on 22:16 - Oct 22 by Lord_Lucan |
Is it a race thing? If so I would say he is a Kok not to wear it - and this is from someone who is not 100% supportive of the knee.
Armband - no problem, french kiss no problem, fondle of the nether regions no problem, taking a knee like a political activist, yeah, not too keen on that. |
I’m not too keen on taking the knee either. I understand its origins and why people would do it, but the fact it was an American thing which was done during the U.S. national anthem means I don’t think it works so well here. I’m not too keen on the submissive nature of the kneeling either, and personally would prefer to “stand up” to racism. | |
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| What a Kök. on 22:38 - Oct 22 with 3985 views | BarcaBlue |
| What a Kök. on 22:26 - Oct 22 by Miaow |
I’m not too keen on taking the knee either. I understand its origins and why people would do it, but the fact it was an American thing which was done during the U.S. national anthem means I don’t think it works so well here. I’m not too keen on the submissive nature of the kneeling either, and personally would prefer to “stand up” to racism. |
Players have been standing up before kick off for well over a hundred years. So how would that work as a sign of solidarity or protest? Tip toes maybe? |  | | |
| What a Kök. on 22:43 - Oct 22 with 3918 views | jeera |
| What a Kök. on 22:26 - Oct 22 by Miaow |
I’m not too keen on taking the knee either. I understand its origins and why people would do it, but the fact it was an American thing which was done during the U.S. national anthem means I don’t think it works so well here. I’m not too keen on the submissive nature of the kneeling either, and personally would prefer to “stand up” to racism. |
"I’m not too keen on the submissive nature"
Submissive to whom exactly? |  |
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| What a Kök. on 22:57 - Oct 22 with 3859 views | Lord_Lucan |
| What a Kök. on 22:26 - Oct 22 by Miaow |
I’m not too keen on taking the knee either. I understand its origins and why people would do it, but the fact it was an American thing which was done during the U.S. national anthem means I don’t think it works so well here. I’m not too keen on the submissive nature of the kneeling either, and personally would prefer to “stand up” to racism. |
Yeah I get that, I don't feel the need to bow to anybody.
Before BLM really hit the news there was a gathering in Christchurch Park, My lad went and I was going to go but it was when the knee thing was starting to gain momentum and I thought "Screw that", I'm not bloody apologising for anything because I've done feck all, I'll support the cause but don't shame my arse. If you want a clap then I'll give it but I'm not going to put myself in a submissive position - especially when I agree with the cause.
Said it before and I'll say it again, to quote PW, "You've got stop apologising, for the things you've never done" | |
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| What a Kök. on 23:09 - Oct 22 with 3812 views | SitfcB |
| What a Kök. on 22:57 - Oct 22 by Lord_Lucan |
Yeah I get that, I don't feel the need to bow to anybody.
Before BLM really hit the news there was a gathering in Christchurch Park, My lad went and I was going to go but it was when the knee thing was starting to gain momentum and I thought "Screw that", I'm not bloody apologising for anything because I've done feck all, I'll support the cause but don't shame my arse. If you want a clap then I'll give it but I'm not going to put myself in a submissive position - especially when I agree with the cause.
Said it before and I'll say it again, to quote PW, "You've got stop apologising, for the things you've never done" |
Unfortunately if you don’t support it you’re seen as a racist.
A bit like if you disagree with the Novotel being taken over by the home office. | |
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| What a Kök. on 23:31 - Oct 22 with 3684 views | J2BLUE |
| What a Kök. on 23:09 - Oct 22 by SitfcB |
Unfortunately if you don’t support it you’re seen as a racist.
A bit like if you disagree with the Novotel being taken over by the home office. |
What exactly do you disagree with?
Genuinely asking. Not going to call you racist, just not sure what the issue is? |  |
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| What a Kök. on 23:40 - Oct 22 with 3625 views | Lord_Lucan |
| What a Kök. on 23:31 - Oct 22 by J2BLUE |
What exactly do you disagree with?
Genuinely asking. Not going to call you racist, just not sure what the issue is? |
I know you asked Private Pike and not me but I think I can answer for him as it's now past my bedtime so I must toddle off.
I think he doesn't like the crouching down apologetic thing when he has done nothing wrong.
Stand up against racism but don't get hoodwinked baby - - at least that's what I think he is saying.
Laughable sh1t baby. | |
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| What a Kök. on 23:58 - Oct 22 with 3447 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| What a Kök. on 23:09 - Oct 22 by SitfcB |
Unfortunately if you don’t support it you’re seen as a racist.
A bit like if you disagree with the Novotel being taken over by the home office. |
Dont support people peacefully protesting against racism ? What is there not to support ? |  |
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| What a Kök. on 01:22 - Oct 23 with 2285 views | Illinoisblue |
| What a Kök. on 22:02 - Oct 22 by Miaow |
I know there seem to be quite a few gestures nowadays in football and other areas related to many issues, but somebody’s sexuality isn’t something which they can help, whereas religion is, well, religion. |
That’s maybe part of the problem; football being used as a forum for political/social issues. Visit Rwanda, BLM, gay rights, etc, and other causes are all worthy of support and discussion, I just wonder if football tries to preach too much. Fans are on the hand treated like sheeite by the authorities and herded like cattle, yet on the other hand are expected to be moral guardians. |  |
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| What a Kök. on 01:26 - Oct 23 with 2263 views | MattinLondon |
| What a Kök. on 01:22 - Oct 23 by Illinoisblue |
That’s maybe part of the problem; football being used as a forum for political/social issues. Visit Rwanda, BLM, gay rights, etc, and other causes are all worthy of support and discussion, I just wonder if football tries to preach too much. Fans are on the hand treated like sheeite by the authorities and herded like cattle, yet on the other hand are expected to be moral guardians. |
Football is the most popular team sport in the country - it can be a great vehicle for promoting inclusivity and to try make society less bigoted and better. Personally I don’t feel preached at at all.
But then the World Cup is going to a country where being gay is illegal and where rights for women and minorities are poor. One step forward, two steps back. | | | |
| What a Kök. on 09:41 - Oct 23 with 2121 views | HighgateBlue |
| What a Kök. on 22:02 - Oct 22 by Miaow |
I know there seem to be quite a few gestures nowadays in football and other areas related to many issues, but somebody’s sexuality isn’t something which they can help, whereas religion is, well, religion. |
As I see it, someone's sexuality is worthy of respect, someone's religion is worthy of respect, and someone's political opinions are worthy of respect. I would wear the armband with total confidence and pride, for what it's worth.
But I would feel uncomfortable about anyone being compelled to do so, whether that be our own club captain, or someone most of us have never heard of, who for reasons that aren't quite clear to me is the subject of this thread. Is Morsy also a "kok"? |  | | |
| What a Kök. on 09:44 - Oct 23 with 2026 views | J2BLUE |
| What a Kök. on 09:41 - Oct 23 by HighgateBlue |
As I see it, someone's sexuality is worthy of respect, someone's religion is worthy of respect, and someone's political opinions are worthy of respect. I would wear the armband with total confidence and pride, for what it's worth.
But I would feel uncomfortable about anyone being compelled to do so, whether that be our own club captain, or someone most of us have never heard of, who for reasons that aren't quite clear to me is the subject of this thread. Is Morsy also a "kok"? |
Agree with every word of this. | |
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| What a Kök. on 09:47 - Oct 23 with 2019 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| What a Kök. on 22:38 - Oct 22 by BarcaBlue |
Players have been standing up before kick off for well over a hundred years. So how would that work as a sign of solidarity or protest? Tip toes maybe? |
Variation on this perhaps?
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| What a Kök. on 13:36 - Oct 23 with 1875 views | ringwoodblue |
If someone chooses not to take the knee, wear an armband or rainbow laces it doesn’t make them racist, homophobic or against a particular movement, they are just exercising their personal choice.
I don’t go to church or believe in a particular religion but it doesn’t make me dislike any people that do. |  |
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| What a Kök. on 17:57 - Oct 23 with 1723 views | braveblue |
Why should anyone be forced into wearing an armband? You can agree with and support many policies without wanting to publicly display it. This insisting that everyone should do the same thing is depressing!! | | | |
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