| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 10:35 - Apr 4 with 2084 views | giant_stow |
We definitely have a problem with how rape is treated. The 4 or 5 years he might have got would have been very low in any case. |  |
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| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 10:48 - Apr 4 with 2045 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
It's shocking... but what is also shocking is how has this taken 4 years to get to court and have sentence passed?! |  |
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| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 11:42 - Apr 4 with 1978 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 10:48 - Apr 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's shocking... but what is also shocking is how has this taken 4 years to get to court and have sentence passed?! |
It’s boring to keep having to say it, but the judiciary is something else that’s been broken by the Tories. Imagine how the victims feel having to wait several years for justice. And the conviction rates for rape are negligible as well. |  |
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| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 11:44 - Apr 4 with 1958 views | lowhouseblue |
ridiculous. |  |
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| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 12:11 - Apr 4 with 1870 views | pointofblue |
| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 11:42 - Apr 4 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s boring to keep having to say it, but the judiciary is something else that’s been broken by the Tories. Imagine how the victims feel having to wait several years for justice. And the conviction rates for rape are negligible as well. |
Whilst I agree, the justice system in Scotland is completely different from the one in England, hence the under 25 guidance which I think I'm right in saying isn't in force in England and Wales. It's controlled by Hollyrood rather than Westminster.
If he was in England or Wales I'm not sure if he would have been tried and sentenced as a youth, due to his age when he committed the crime. It doesn't say that has happened here.
Edit: I knew my phone would change Hollyrood to Hollywood. [Post edited 4 Apr 2023 13:09]
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| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 12:23 - Apr 4 with 1846 views | Kievthegreat |
| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 12:11 - Apr 4 by pointofblue |
Whilst I agree, the justice system in Scotland is completely different from the one in England, hence the under 25 guidance which I think I'm right in saying isn't in force in England and Wales. It's controlled by Hollyrood rather than Westminster.
If he was in England or Wales I'm not sure if he would have been tried and sentenced as a youth, due to his age when he committed the crime. It doesn't say that has happened here.
Edit: I knew my phone would change Hollyrood to Hollywood. [Post edited 4 Apr 2023 13:09]
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Why are we letting movie stars control the law in Scotland?
On a serious note, surely something or some context is missing? I can understand there being more wriggle room for leniency in the case involving a teenager, but nothing custodial or even suspended seems bonkers. [Post edited 4 Apr 2023 12:24]
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| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 12:30 - Apr 4 with 1759 views | Guthrum |
| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 12:23 - Apr 4 by Kievthegreat |
Why are we letting movie stars control the law in Scotland?
On a serious note, surely something or some context is missing? I can understand there being more wriggle room for leniency in the case involving a teenager, but nothing custodial or even suspended seems bonkers. [Post edited 4 Apr 2023 12:24]
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I don't know the details of the case, but was this rape in the sense of violent, forced intercourse, or in the sense that an underage victim cannot give consent, as not being old enough (known as "statutory rape")? The former would have considerably more aggravating factors than two teenagers shagging in a park. But both would legally be rape. |  |
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| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 12:38 - Apr 4 with 1707 views | lowhouseblue |
| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 12:30 - Apr 4 by Guthrum |
I don't know the details of the case, but was this rape in the sense of violent, forced intercourse, or in the sense that an underage victim cannot give consent, as not being old enough (known as "statutory rape")? The former would have considerably more aggravating factors than two teenagers shagging in a park. But both would legally be rape. |
the bbc report suggests the former - which makes the sentence very strange. | |
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| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 12:41 - Apr 4 with 1679 views | Guthrum |
| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 12:38 - Apr 4 by lowhouseblue |
the bbc report suggests the former - which makes the sentence very strange. |
If so, it certainly does. | |
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| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 12:45 - Apr 4 with 1660 views | lowhouseblue |
| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 12:11 - Apr 4 by pointofblue |
Whilst I agree, the justice system in Scotland is completely different from the one in England, hence the under 25 guidance which I think I'm right in saying isn't in force in England and Wales. It's controlled by Hollyrood rather than Westminster.
If he was in England or Wales I'm not sure if he would have been tried and sentenced as a youth, due to his age when he committed the crime. It doesn't say that has happened here.
Edit: I knew my phone would change Hollyrood to Hollywood. [Post edited 4 Apr 2023 13:09]
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i find the under 25 thing very difficult. the idea that before 25 your brain hasn't developed enough for full criminal responsibility is pretty challenging. what else shouldn't apply until you're over 25 - can't have credit cards, can't vote, can't drive? if the issue is impulsivity etc that applies to all sorts of things not just crime. | |
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| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 12:56 - Apr 4 with 1613 views | Churchman |
At 17 he knew 100% what he is doing. There are no excuses, no mitigation. He has potentially ruined a girl’s life before you get to the impact he’s had on her family.
My thoughts are with the girl and her family, not with the perpetrator. |  | | |
| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 13:13 - Apr 4 with 1547 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 12:11 - Apr 4 by pointofblue |
Whilst I agree, the justice system in Scotland is completely different from the one in England, hence the under 25 guidance which I think I'm right in saying isn't in force in England and Wales. It's controlled by Hollyrood rather than Westminster.
If he was in England or Wales I'm not sure if he would have been tried and sentenced as a youth, due to his age when he committed the crime. It doesn't say that has happened here.
Edit: I knew my phone would change Hollyrood to Hollywood. [Post edited 4 Apr 2023 13:09]
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Ah, fair point. I should have read the link! Still a shockingly long wait wherever it is, and yes it does seem a tad lenient. | |
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| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 22:23 - Apr 4 with 1277 views | Sharkey |
| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 12:38 - Apr 4 by lowhouseblue |
the bbc report suggests the former - which makes the sentence very strange. |
If you're reading the first line of the BBC report at the top of this thread, "carried out the attacks on the girl in Dalkeith Country Park, Midlothian, on various occasions in 2018", I take it to imply it was consensual sex with an underage girl. The word 'attacks' is there because rape is by definition an attack, so if the girl is underage it's an attack.
edit: 'Consensual' is the wrong word, as a child cannot consent, - but I mean that in the report I don't see that violence or threats are necessarily implied. [Post edited 4 Apr 2023 22:27]
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| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 22:58 - Apr 4 with 1197 views | lowhouseblue |
| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 22:23 - Apr 4 by Sharkey |
If you're reading the first line of the BBC report at the top of this thread, "carried out the attacks on the girl in Dalkeith Country Park, Midlothian, on various occasions in 2018", I take it to imply it was consensual sex with an underage girl. The word 'attacks' is there because rape is by definition an attack, so if the girl is underage it's an attack.
edit: 'Consensual' is the wrong word, as a child cannot consent, - but I mean that in the report I don't see that violence or threats are necessarily implied. [Post edited 4 Apr 2023 22:27]
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bbc article this morning: "Court papers stated Hogg, of Hamilton, South Lanarkshire, threatened the girl, seized her by the wrists and forced her to carry out a sex act before raping her." | |
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| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 23:15 - Apr 4 with 1138 views | Sharkey |
| Community service for raping a thirteen year old!!! on 22:58 - Apr 4 by lowhouseblue |
bbc article this morning: "Court papers stated Hogg, of Hamilton, South Lanarkshire, threatened the girl, seized her by the wrists and forced her to carry out a sex act before raping her." |
That's certainly very different. I stand corrected. | | | |
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