| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo 14:02 - Jun 30 with 3241 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
In January, now that the recruitment team is fully up and running.
I'll be honest, if we signed someone tomorrow that we didn't think would previously have been on our radar, (like Surridge), now, I just think, "OK, lets see what they've got" and completely trust the club in signing them.
It's quite the feeling after 14 years of going, "What The Actual F?" [Post edited 30 Jun 2023 14:03]
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| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 14:16 - Jun 30 with 3119 views | cmarkchips |
agreed, I have far greater confidence that thought and fair price negotiations are occurring. |  | | |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 14:18 - Jun 30 with 3111 views | FrimleyBlue |
It's still a mixed bag and not that different to how it works at other clubs in that we've had some good signings, Mixed with some that either hasn't come off or yet to see how it goes.. mainly those that had actual quality cost a bit. Luongo is slightly different but we took a risk at the time as he didn't have a great injury record previously yet somehow played like he'd never known what an injury was.
Pigott
Harper
Ball
Camara
Ahadme
Keogh
Harness
We're getting there in the recruitment side of things imo.
This summer is very important.
Another 3/4 top quality signings needed. But we will need to spend to receive quality. Its not coming cheaply. |  |
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| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 14:33 - Jun 30 with 3020 views | Fixed_It |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 14:18 - Jun 30 by FrimleyBlue |
It's still a mixed bag and not that different to how it works at other clubs in that we've had some good signings, Mixed with some that either hasn't come off or yet to see how it goes.. mainly those that had actual quality cost a bit. Luongo is slightly different but we took a risk at the time as he didn't have a great injury record previously yet somehow played like he'd never known what an injury was.
Pigott
Harper
Ball
Camara
Ahadme
Keogh
Harness
We're getting there in the recruitment side of things imo.
This summer is very important.
Another 3/4 top quality signings needed. But we will need to spend to receive quality. Its not coming cheaply. |
Harsh in respect of three of them. Harness has been fine - never quite got his scoring touch back after his injury but was still a useful player last season. Ball and Camara haven't really been able to show their worth due to injury and may yet come good. |  |
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| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 14:38 - Jun 30 with 2978 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 14:33 - Jun 30 by Fixed_It |
Harsh in respect of three of them. Harness has been fine - never quite got his scoring touch back after his injury but was still a useful player last season. Ball and Camara haven't really been able to show their worth due to injury and may yet come good. |
Harsh on Keogh as well, as he was bought in for a specific role which wasn't entirely revolved around playing.
The others, Harper, Pigott and Ahadme I agree with though. |  |
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| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 15:02 - Jun 30 with 2845 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 14:33 - Jun 30 by Fixed_It |
Harsh in respect of three of them. Harness has been fine - never quite got his scoring touch back after his injury but was still a useful player last season. Ball and Camara haven't really been able to show their worth due to injury and may yet come good. |
I did cover those 2 in regards to not seeing it yet.
Harness. I just don't see him in any different light to Edwards personally. | |
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| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 15:06 - Jun 30 with 2814 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 14:38 - Jun 30 by Kieran_Knows |
Harsh on Keogh as well, as he was bought in for a specific role which wasn't entirely revolved around playing.
The others, Harper, Pigott and Ahadme I agree with though. |
I don't really buy into us getting keogh for off the pitch stuff more than on it. Not when we already had Aluko and a management team and Keoghs gone after 12 months.
I do feel he helped massively off the pitch. But we didn't sign a coach we signed a player. | |
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| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 15:10 - Jun 30 with 2780 views | suffolkpoker |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 14:18 - Jun 30 by FrimleyBlue |
It's still a mixed bag and not that different to how it works at other clubs in that we've had some good signings, Mixed with some that either hasn't come off or yet to see how it goes.. mainly those that had actual quality cost a bit. Luongo is slightly different but we took a risk at the time as he didn't have a great injury record previously yet somehow played like he'd never known what an injury was.
Pigott
Harper
Ball
Camara
Ahadme
Keogh
Harness
We're getting there in the recruitment side of things imo.
This summer is very important.
Another 3/4 top quality signings needed. But we will need to spend to receive quality. Its not coming cheaply. |
Close to £5m pounds worth off transfer fees among them.
Was Piggott a free but got high wages? |  |
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| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 15:16 - Jun 30 with 2723 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 15:10 - Jun 30 by suffolkpoker |
Close to £5m pounds worth off transfer fees among them.
Was Piggott a free but got high wages? |
Was a freebie. The rumours were a high wage. | |
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| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 15:18 - Jun 30 with 2713 views | the_toff |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 15:10 - Jun 30 by suffolkpoker |
Close to £5m pounds worth off transfer fees among them.
Was Piggott a free but got high wages? |
Nowhere near £5m. More like £2m. | | | |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 15:50 - Jun 30 with 2530 views | suffolkpoker |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 15:18 - Jun 30 by the_toff |
Nowhere near £5m. More like £2m. |
I thought Ahadme and Harness were over £1m each? | |
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| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 15:55 - Jun 30 with 2498 views | SouthfieldsBlue |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 15:50 - Jun 30 by suffolkpoker |
I thought Ahadme and Harness were over £1m each? |
Less than a Million combined. Harness was 750kish, and Ahadme was apparently 100kish | | | |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 16:04 - Jun 30 with 2447 views | jaykay |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 14:18 - Jun 30 by FrimleyBlue |
It's still a mixed bag and not that different to how it works at other clubs in that we've had some good signings, Mixed with some that either hasn't come off or yet to see how it goes.. mainly those that had actual quality cost a bit. Luongo is slightly different but we took a risk at the time as he didn't have a great injury record previously yet somehow played like he'd never known what an injury was.
Pigott
Harper
Ball
Camara
Ahadme
Keogh
Harness
We're getting there in the recruitment side of things imo.
This summer is very important.
Another 3/4 top quality signings needed. But we will need to spend to receive quality. Its not coming cheaply. |
weren't the first 2 on your list signed by a different recruitment team ? |  |
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| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 16:05 - Jun 30 with 2445 views | SomethingBlue |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 15:02 - Jun 30 by FrimleyBlue |
I did cover those 2 in regards to not seeing it yet.
Harness. I just don't see him in any different light to Edwards personally. |
Edwards will be of much more value to us than Harness next season. | |
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| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 16:09 - Jun 30 with 2439 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 15:10 - Jun 30 by suffolkpoker |
Close to £5m pounds worth off transfer fees among them.
Was Piggott a free but got high wages? |
Pigott - free
Harper - £250k-£500k
Ball - free
Camara - low hundred k's
Ahadme - low hundred k's
Keogh - nominal fee - less than £100k
Harness - £750k
Your valuation is way off. | | | |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 16:29 - Jun 30 with 2350 views | HighgateBlue |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 14:18 - Jun 30 by FrimleyBlue |
It's still a mixed bag and not that different to how it works at other clubs in that we've had some good signings, Mixed with some that either hasn't come off or yet to see how it goes.. mainly those that had actual quality cost a bit. Luongo is slightly different but we took a risk at the time as he didn't have a great injury record previously yet somehow played like he'd never known what an injury was.
Pigott
Harper
Ball
Camara
Ahadme
Keogh
Harness
We're getting there in the recruitment side of things imo.
This summer is very important.
Another 3/4 top quality signings needed. But we will need to spend to receive quality. Its not coming cheaply. |
I'm not sure what criteria you've used to list those particular players. Have you just listed the ones that you think have been failures / not great signings?
Surely if we're assessing how mixed the bag is, we have to list all of the signings in a given time period (and preferably also exclude those recruited by the previous regime).
For example, the signings of Leif Davis and Harry Clarke tell us a lot more about McKenna and his recruitment team (as they were actually recruited under them) than the signings of Pigott and Harper (who weren't). |  | | |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 16:34 - Jun 30 with 2305 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 15:06 - Jun 30 by FrimleyBlue |
I don't really buy into us getting keogh for off the pitch stuff more than on it. Not when we already had Aluko and a management team and Keoghs gone after 12 months.
I do feel he helped massively off the pitch. But we didn't sign a coach we signed a player. |
But we signed him as a player on the proviso that he wasn't going to get much game time, and his influence around the training ground and on match days was worth something to McKenna. Not only that, but his involvement with the youth sides last season as well. | |
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| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 16:45 - Jun 30 with 2237 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 16:34 - Jun 30 by Kieran_Knows |
But we signed him as a player on the proviso that he wasn't going to get much game time, and his influence around the training ground and on match days was worth something to McKenna. Not only that, but his involvement with the youth sides last season as well. |
We know what he did behind the scenes. But imo we had other players who could do that. He wasn't a player who when played actually benefited the team, if anything it was a hindrence, hence why I add him in the not a great signing list. As this post is about player transfers. | |
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| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 16:47 - Jun 30 with 2229 views | DinDjarin |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 16:09 - Jun 30 by tractorboy1978 |
Pigott - free
Harper - £250k-£500k
Ball - free
Camara - low hundred k's
Ahadme - low hundred k's
Keogh - nominal fee - less than £100k
Harness - £750k
Your valuation is way off. |
Thought Camara was 600k |  | | |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 16:53 - Jun 30 with 2205 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 16:29 - Jun 30 by HighgateBlue |
I'm not sure what criteria you've used to list those particular players. Have you just listed the ones that you think have been failures / not great signings?
Surely if we're assessing how mixed the bag is, we have to list all of the signings in a given time period (and preferably also exclude those recruited by the previous regime).
For example, the signings of Leif Davis and Harry Clarke tell us a lot more about McKenna and his recruitment team (as they were actually recruited under them) than the signings of Pigott and Harper (who weren't). |
The signings of those you mention is exactly what I mean.. quality = fees.
To get quality you need to pay for it.
I don't know what our recruitment set up is now.. there were mentions of Scott barron I believe but that didn't come off. So can only discuss what we've had in overall since Ashton and Co took over.
It's not a negative view. Just saying its no different to other clubs in that you have a mixed bag. But imo it shows alot that to get extra level quality you have to pay for it.
Harness was a good league 1 signing. But he wasn't one that was going to get us promotion. It took us to replace him to get us promoted. | |
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| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 16:55 - Jun 30 with 2190 views | Churchman |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 15:06 - Jun 30 by FrimleyBlue |
I don't really buy into us getting keogh for off the pitch stuff more than on it. Not when we already had Aluko and a management team and Keoghs gone after 12 months.
I do feel he helped massively off the pitch. But we didn't sign a coach we signed a player. |
We signed in Keogh experienced a back up who could also provide input. And he did, so there was no failure there.
No recruitment is ever 100% successful. For all sorts of reasons, some just don’t work out. Not even for Alex Ferguson.
Two years ago out recruitment was a mud at the wall for all the reasons that have been discussed on here. Hopefully with a stable, structured, club and a settled management team, our chances of getting the right people in will be that much greater.
People know we have a few £ so it’ll be hard and a level of patience is needed, but given how clear sighted the manager seems to be on what he wants, I’m confident he and the club will get it right. |  | | |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 17:05 - Jun 30 with 2150 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 16:55 - Jun 30 by Churchman |
We signed in Keogh experienced a back up who could also provide input. And he did, so there was no failure there.
No recruitment is ever 100% successful. For all sorts of reasons, some just don’t work out. Not even for Alex Ferguson.
Two years ago out recruitment was a mud at the wall for all the reasons that have been discussed on here. Hopefully with a stable, structured, club and a settled management team, our chances of getting the right people in will be that much greater.
People know we have a few £ so it’ll be hard and a level of patience is needed, but given how clear sighted the manager seems to be on what he wants, I’m confident he and the club will get it right. |
I agree. No recruitment is 100% successful. That's why I said in my first reply we are not different to all other clubs. | |
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| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 17:10 - Jun 30 with 2127 views | TheBoyBlue |
| Given the signings of Hirst, Broadhead and Luongo on 14:18 - Jun 30 by FrimleyBlue |
It's still a mixed bag and not that different to how it works at other clubs in that we've had some good signings, Mixed with some that either hasn't come off or yet to see how it goes.. mainly those that had actual quality cost a bit. Luongo is slightly different but we took a risk at the time as he didn't have a great injury record previously yet somehow played like he'd never known what an injury was.
Pigott
Harper
Ball
Camara
Ahadme
Keogh
Harness
We're getting there in the recruitment side of things imo.
This summer is very important.
Another 3/4 top quality signings needed. But we will need to spend to receive quality. Its not coming cheaply. |
Out of those, Piggott and Harper have been the only ones who I feel have not met expectations on the pitch for whatever reason.
As others have said, Keogh was probably brought in more for his influence and experience rather than as a week-in-week-out starter.
The goals of Harness were very important, especially during the first half of the season and it was mainly that we got an upgrade in January.
Ball, Camara and Ahadme have all suffered big injury problems, so it is hard to judge them a success or failure. | |
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