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Is a near 23 year old a 'youngster' ? 23:28 - Aug 29 with 2154 views

Phils report mentions Brandon Williams as the 'on-loan Manchester United youngster'

This is the same age as Terry Butcher and Alan Brazil in the Uefa cup final

Is a near 23 year old a 'youngster' ? on 23:44 - Aug 29 with 2083 views

BigCommon

A 22 year old is considered a youngster, imo. Certainly not a seasoned pro'. Still learning his trade.
It's real football. Not FM.
Edit, just to add, Butcher and Brazil were exceptional talents who went on to represent their countries many times. Including World Cup tournaments. Bit harsh to compare the lad to those two.

[Post edited 30 Aug 2023 2:45]

Is a near 23 year old a 'youngster' ? on 07:01 - Aug 30 with 1889 views

PioneerBlue

Does this feel about right?

Feel free to fill in blanks or correct nomenclature

<18 school boy (person) or decent prospect or wonder kid or precocious talent
18~23 prospect or academy graduate or youngster or …
23~26 decent player or baller or …
26~30 seasoned pro or absolute baller or journey man (person) …
30~ senior pro
34+ twilight years or veteran (if +500 games)

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Is a near 23 year old a 'youngster' ? on 07:50 - Aug 30 with 1801 views

the_toff

Is a near 23 year old a 'youngster' ? on 07:01 - Aug 30 by PioneerBlue

[Post edited 31 Aug 2023 6:35]

I know I probably should’ve realised this already, but your post has made me wonder if it’s never going to happen for me.

Is a near 23 year old a 'youngster' ? on 08:00 - Aug 30 with 1787 views

ChampionsofInnsbruck

I was playing mesn football at 15/16 back in the day. Even at the professional level I think there was a different culture back then, if you were good enough you were in the team, regardless of age. I was knocked about a bit when I started but adapted as I played more. Young players are better looked after now, simply due to the sheer amount of money in the game.

Is a near 23 year old a 'youngster' ? on 08:10 - Aug 30 with 1757 views

Bluebell

It’s certainly a youngster to me!

Is a near 23 year old a 'youngster' ? on 08:29 - Aug 30 with 1719 views

hoppy

Is a near 23 year old a 'youngster' ? on 07:01 - Aug 30 by PioneerBlue

[Post edited 31 Aug 2023 6:35]

At which stage does 'journeyman' tend to also be added in after a few clubs?

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Is a near 23 year old a 'youngster' ? on 08:40 - Aug 30 with 1694 views

rodney76

Williams will come good he has the pedigree.

My only concern is that he'll be more of a success contributing in attack than in defence.

Is a near 23 year old a 'youngster' ? on 08:47 - Aug 30 with 1665 views

hoppy

Is a near 23 year old a 'youngster' ? on 07:01 - Aug 30 by PioneerBlue

[Post edited 31 Aug 2023 6:35]

Also, need to include 'veteran' in there too, along with senior pro?

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Is a near 23 year old a 'youngster' ? on 23:48 - Aug 30 with 1500 views

BigCommon

Is a near 23 year old a 'youngster' ? on 07:01 - Aug 30 by PioneerBlue

[Post edited 31 Aug 2023 6:35]

Veteran, imo, is a player in his mid to late 30s, say, 36-37, with 500 plus pro games behind him...
It's shifted a bit in recent years for me. With advances in sports science, training methods, larger squads/benches meaning minutes can be managed, to a degree..
I wouldn't call a 30year old a veteran. These days a 30 year old is probably still at their peak.

Is a near 23 year old a 'youngster' ? on 00:21 - Aug 31 with 1473 views

DecageBruce

I read a headline earlier today but can’t remember where talking about a ‘Wonderkid’ turning down and English Team (I think Leeds but it’s late). When I read the article the Wonderkid was 24. Maybe I’m just too i to Football Manager but for me the age limit for a Wonderkid is 21

Is a near 23 year old a 'youngster' ? on 00:23 - Aug 31 with 1469 views

WeWereZombies

Is a near 23 year old a 'youngster' ? on 08:47 - Aug 30 by hoppy
Also, need to include 'veteran' in there too, along with senior pro?

And then 'life in the old dog yet'...

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Is a near 23 year old a 'youngster' ? on 07:55 - Aug 31 with 1316 views

Swansea_Blue

These youngsters do seem to be getting older. I think it's more about experience than a true reflection of age. He's not had than many opportunities since he accrued most of his PL experience 4 years ago. These big teams just sit on players who didn't break through at 18, hoping they may come good a bit later on. I'm not convinced it helps the players' development. I mean, how can playing for Norwich on loan be good for anyone?!

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Is a near 23 year old a 'youngster' ? on 08:40 - Aug 31 with 1243 views

eireblue

Is a near 23 year old a 'youngster' ? on 07:01 - Aug 30 by PioneerBlue

[Post edited 31 Aug 2023 6:35]

It’s a function of Phil’s age.

If Finidi were to be rumoured to be joining the coaching team now, he would be described as prospective player coach for one of the youth teams.

Is a near 23 year old a 'youngster' ? on 09:07 - Aug 31 with 1196 views

PhilTWTD

Is a near 23 year old a 'youngster' ? on 07:55 - Aug 31 by Swansea_Blue

Think that's probably fair, he's come in as a developing player rather than someone who is a senior player, which was what I was thinking when I said youngster. Players do generally seem to become established when they're older, Hirst and Broadhead being other examples.

Is a near 23 year old a 'youngster' ? on 09:35 - Aug 31 with 1147 views

CBMTOBWMMBG

Great point, and they were in fact even younger

Brazil was 21
Butcher was 22

And Osman was 22 and Wark was only 23 too.

Is a near 23 year old a 'youngster' ? on 09:40 - Aug 31 with 1134 views

monty_radio

I think that the gradual evolution of the entire transfer system explains quite a bit. In particular, the vast trade right through all the leagues on loan players. Developing your own players is both expensive and risky; importing someone else's on a hand-to-mouth basis enables you to field an experienced team right from the off, without waiting to see if this might just be, say, El mizouni's, Humphries, Baggott's breakthrough year.

The effects are most obvious in L2 and the National League where teams that run academies start a new season with upwards of half a team unknown to the fans, but with their latest prospects no nearer the pitch than the bench.

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