| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... 16:50 - May 25 with 7859 views | Bellevue_Blue |
They've not had the best season in the world but if they sack him it's everything wrong with modern Football.
A manager who won the Dutch Eredivisie 3 times, Dutch Cup twice, got Ajax to within a kick of the Champions League final, got United back into the Champions League first time of asking, has taken them to 3 Cup finals in two years.
This narrative of this summer having a 'bad' pool of managerial candidates is only because Chelsea/ United and a few big European sides are currently going through elite managers every 1/2 years, setting them up to fail and calling them not good enough ...
They're potentially going to sack a manager who has won 7 trophies, plus another one if they win this for who ..... maybe Mckenna, maybe Tuchel, Poch?
It's completely mental!
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 17:14 - May 25 with 5291 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
They did finish 8th. The gap to top increased from 14 points last season to 31 this. |  |
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 17:15 - May 25 with 5284 views | NedPlimpton |
You're definitely viewing this as someone who doesn't want them to sack ETH in case they go for McKenna
Finishing 8th and getting knocked out at the group stage of the champions league is a disastrous season by utd standards |  | | |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 17:21 - May 25 with 5206 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 17:14 - May 25 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
They did finish 8th. The gap to top increased from 14 points last season to 31 this. |
After top six finishes throughout the 70's, we finished 17th and three points above the relegation places the year we won the FA Cup. |  |
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 17:24 - May 25 with 5149 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 17:15 - May 25 by NedPlimpton |
You're definitely viewing this as someone who doesn't want them to sack ETH in case they go for McKenna
Finishing 8th and getting knocked out at the group stage of the champions league is a disastrous season by utd standards |
Honestly, people have difficult seasons in football. They finished 8th, they got knocked out of the Champions League but they won the FA Cup and now have Europa League Football.
Not a great year but really, deserves to be sacked after two years with those achievements?!
If Kieran goes, he goes with my absolute best wishes. A chance to manage your boyhood club can't be turned down but if in two years time he was getting sacked having got them into three cup finals, winning two as well as qualifying for Europe both seasons you'd be saying they were absolutely mental and rightly so.
The competitive nature of the Prem means that there are now 8 teams who think they should/ could be in the top 4 or at worst top 6. Does that mean every year the two that finish 7th/ 8th should be sacked? | | | |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 17:31 - May 25 with 4998 views | cressi |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 17:24 - May 25 by Bellevue_Blue |
Honestly, people have difficult seasons in football. They finished 8th, they got knocked out of the Champions League but they won the FA Cup and now have Europa League Football.
Not a great year but really, deserves to be sacked after two years with those achievements?!
If Kieran goes, he goes with my absolute best wishes. A chance to manage your boyhood club can't be turned down but if in two years time he was getting sacked having got them into three cup finals, winning two as well as qualifying for Europe both seasons you'd be saying they were absolutely mental and rightly so.
The competitive nature of the Prem means that there are now 8 teams who think they should/ could be in the top 4 or at worst top 6. Does that mean every year the two that finish 7th/ 8th should be sacked? |
Nothing to do with McKenna
I actually think his a decent manager walked into a muddle the Ronaldo issue . Then the Greenwood saga plus all the other issues and the takeover. I think if he leaves he will do quite for somebody. Now these are fans who believe they are entitled. | | | |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 17:35 - May 25 with 4957 views | RedX |
I’d reckon it’ll be announced early in the week he’s gone. The decision has been made long before today’s game. |  | | |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 17:38 - May 25 with 4911 views | berkstractorboy |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 17:15 - May 25 by NedPlimpton |
You're definitely viewing this as someone who doesn't want them to sack ETH in case they go for McKenna
Finishing 8th and getting knocked out at the group stage of the champions league is a disastrous season by utd standards |
How much falls onto the players and also the pretty horrific injuries they've had especially at CB.
Antony has been poor and you could argue Onana as too but Antony been left out a lot in recent months and not sure Onana has really lost them that many points? Certainly made some great saves too.
Overall its been poor but let's put some context to this. [Post edited 26 May 2024 3:08]
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 17:39 - May 25 with 4897 views | WD19 |
Not sure sacking him explains VAR…..which is the definitely on the list. |  | | |
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 17:41 - May 25 with 4850 views | BloomBlue |
Football is about winning trophies, he's won two trophies in two seasons. Ratcliffe said he wanted ManU to be better them ManC and Liverpool and TH is the first manager to beat Pep in a domestic final. Love Kieran, but to replace Ten Hag with a manager who was in the championship last season would be football craziness gone to a different level. |  | | |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 17:42 - May 25 with 4822 views | NedPlimpton |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 17:38 - May 25 by berkstractorboy |
How much falls onto the players and also the pretty horrific injuries they've had especially at CB.
Antony has been poor and you could argue Onana as too but Antony been left out a lot in recent months and not sure Onana has really lost them that many points? Certainly made some great saves too.
Overall its been poor but let's put some context to this. [Post edited 26 May 2024 3:08]
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Antony is a Ten Hag signing. You've definitely got to question his judgement there
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 17:47 - May 25 with 4747 views | Trequartista |
It's partially a reflection of how shabbily the FA Cup has been treated. Winning it is now has less prestige than finishing 4th, just to qualify for a league not many people watch. |  |
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 17:58 - May 25 with 4632 views | Xatticus |
It’s a combination of factors that has led to this. He is, in part, a victim of what he achieved in his first year in charge there. Add to that, Sir Jim Ratcliffe is now running the club and is eager to put his own stamp on things.
ETH’s CV was glistening prior to this season and United haven’t been a club with a quick trigger for sacking bosses. We heap all of the praise/blame on the manager, but there is so much more than just a manager that makes a club successful. I’d happily have ETH as our next manager were it realistic.
If this is about the fulfillment of a life-long ambition for McKenna, then I believe he is potentially walking into a dangerous situation. He should hold out for a long-term contract if United do indeed decide on him. ETH probably wouldn’t be getting sacked if he didn’t settle for a 3-year contract, so McKenna needs to buy as much time as he can while he has the leverage to do so because he is still quite young and inexperienced at that level and he probably won’t get another bite at the apple for his dream job should things not work out. | | | |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 18:09 - May 25 with 4493 views | mellowblue |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 17:31 - May 25 by cressi |
Nothing to do with McKenna
I actually think his a decent manager walked into a muddle the Ronaldo issue . Then the Greenwood saga plus all the other issues and the takeover. I think if he leaves he will do quite for somebody. Now these are fans who believe they are entitled. |
Sancho issue as well, also the Maguire situation and Rashford blowing hot and cold | | | |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 18:10 - May 25 with 4471 views | ronnyd |
Didn't Louis van Gaal get the chop after they won the FA cup? | | | |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 18:12 - May 25 with 4438 views | Geomorph |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 17:21 - May 25 by GlasgowBlue |
After top six finishes throughout the 70's, we finished 17th and three points above the relegation places the year we won the FA Cup. |
If memory serves me right.. first game I saw was town winning at div 2 Man Utd .. fa cup 1975 |  | | |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 18:19 - May 25 with 4358 views | MK1 |
Manchester United finished 8th in the league. Any manager who can only manage 8th in the league for them is going to be sacked. They are the 2nd biggest club in world football. It may not seem like it at the moment, but 8th just isn't good enough for them. They had no choice really. |  |
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 18:40 - May 25 with 4191 views | MK1 |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 17:24 - May 25 by Bellevue_Blue |
Honestly, people have difficult seasons in football. They finished 8th, they got knocked out of the Champions League but they won the FA Cup and now have Europa League Football.
Not a great year but really, deserves to be sacked after two years with those achievements?!
If Kieran goes, he goes with my absolute best wishes. A chance to manage your boyhood club can't be turned down but if in two years time he was getting sacked having got them into three cup finals, winning two as well as qualifying for Europe both seasons you'd be saying they were absolutely mental and rightly so.
The competitive nature of the Prem means that there are now 8 teams who think they should/ could be in the top 4 or at worst top 6. Does that mean every year the two that finish 7th/ 8th should be sacked? |
We are talking about Man Utd, not Spurs or Newcastle. They are the 2nd biggest club in the world. Top 4 should be a minimum for any manager there. He has signed a lot of his players, players he wanted, yet they finished 8th. Not good enough. | |
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 18:53 - May 25 with 4121 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 18:40 - May 25 by MK1 |
We are talking about Man Utd, not Spurs or Newcastle. They are the 2nd biggest club in the world. Top 4 should be a minimum for any manager there. He has signed a lot of his players, players he wanted, yet they finished 8th. Not good enough. |
Of course, it's not good enough but It's one season! That entitled viewpoint and immediate expectation is exactly why they are in the situation they are in, looking for their 7th manager in 10 years because no one has shown they can consistently achieve it.
Their squad isn't better than City, isn't better than Arsenal, isn't better than Liverpool. So he either has to over achieve and get in top 3 or get everything out of an injury-hit team to get 4th.
He's not suddenly a bad manager because he didn't get in the top 4 and this short-sighted view is the reason why world football finds itself in this obsessive churn and burn of managers.
He's won two trophies in two seasons! Klopp has one in that time! Did he deserve the sack last year? | | | |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 19:12 - May 25 with 4012 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 17:14 - May 25 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
They did finish 8th. The gap to top increased from 14 points last season to 31 this. |
Look at how many injuries they had to key players though. No chance of 4th having zero defenders for chunks at a time. They did at times look very poor however and for me the players let him down at times. | |
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 19:15 - May 25 with 3993 views | Trequartista |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 18:19 - May 25 by MK1 |
Manchester United finished 8th in the league. Any manager who can only manage 8th in the league for them is going to be sacked. They are the 2nd biggest club in world football. It may not seem like it at the moment, but 8th just isn't good enough for them. They had no choice really. |
Alex Ferguson finished 11th in his second full season and 13th in his third full season, but kept his job with an FA cup victory.
As I've said already in this thread it is the disgraceful treatment the FA Cup has received since those days that make it probable Ten Haag will lose his job. [Post edited 25 May 2024 19:16]
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 19:20 - May 25 with 3940 views | MK1 |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 18:53 - May 25 by Bellevue_Blue |
Of course, it's not good enough but It's one season! That entitled viewpoint and immediate expectation is exactly why they are in the situation they are in, looking for their 7th manager in 10 years because no one has shown they can consistently achieve it.
Their squad isn't better than City, isn't better than Arsenal, isn't better than Liverpool. So he either has to over achieve and get in top 3 or get everything out of an injury-hit team to get 4th.
He's not suddenly a bad manager because he didn't get in the top 4 and this short-sighted view is the reason why world football finds itself in this obsessive churn and burn of managers.
He's won two trophies in two seasons! Klopp has one in that time! Did he deserve the sack last year? |
You seem to have the same mentality as some of their players. | |
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 19:34 - May 25 with 3856 views | DistantBlue |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 17:21 - May 25 by GlasgowBlue |
After top six finishes throughout the 70's, we finished 17th and three points above the relegation places the year we won the FA Cup. |
And did we sack our manager? Ok, we weren't one of the biggest clubs in Europe, some may say over achieving at the time. But I certainly don't remember any new manager discussion. We stayed true to a long term vision, which three years later pays off. Yes, there are big differences between then and now. |  | | |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 19:54 - May 25 with 3774 views | Guthrum |
He's not actually been sacked yet, so far as I can see? |  |
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 20:18 - May 25 with 3653 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 19:20 - May 25 by MK1 |
You seem to have the same mentality as some of their players. |
One that just won them the biggest domestic cup competition in world football? I'll take it.
Football is about winning trophies and they've just done it. [Post edited 25 May 2024 21:31]
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 20:25 - May 25 with 3608 views | MK1 |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 20:18 - May 25 by Bellevue_Blue |
One that just won them the biggest domestic cup competition in world football? I'll take it.
Football is about winning trophies and they've just done it. [Post edited 25 May 2024 21:31]
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They will always be judged by their league position. I am amazed that football fans are unaware of just how much expectation there is on Man Utd to succeed. 8th just ain't cutting it. | |
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