| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... 16:50 - May 25 with 7864 views | Bellevue_Blue |
They've not had the best season in the world but if they sack him it's everything wrong with modern Football.
A manager who won the Dutch Eredivisie 3 times, Dutch Cup twice, got Ajax to within a kick of the Champions League final, got United back into the Champions League first time of asking, has taken them to 3 Cup finals in two years.
This narrative of this summer having a 'bad' pool of managerial candidates is only because Chelsea/ United and a few big European sides are currently going through elite managers every 1/2 years, setting them up to fail and calling them not good enough ...
They're potentially going to sack a manager who has won 7 trophies, plus another one if they win this for who ..... maybe Mckenna, maybe Tuchel, Poch?
It's completely mental!
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 21:08 - May 25 with 2361 views | Churchman |
It is less about what clubs and people in them do, but how they go about it.
If it is at it appears (again, what is the truth of it?) I would run a mile from an employers like that. I don’t care who they are, even if they’re the club of my dreams, no chance. How can you ever strike up any sort of working relationship?
It would seem Man U like Chelsea are using the media for their own ends and if that means trampling all over people and other clubs, so be it. Even if it’s your own manager. ‘That’s modern football’ ‘that’s the Premier League’ ‘use any angle to succeed’ will be some of the arguments.
I disagree. If they trample over everybody else, they’ll do the same to you. It disgusts me. It doesn’t have to be that way. As the title says, and assuming he’s out, ‘Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern football’. [Post edited 25 May 2024 21:10]
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 21:29 - May 25 with 2280 views | Bigalhunter |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 20:18 - May 25 by Bellevue_Blue |
One that just won them the biggest domestic cup competition in world football? I'll take it.
Football is about winning trophies and they've just done it. [Post edited 25 May 2024 21:31]
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The FA cup will never retain the stature it had in the 70’s 80’s.
It’s a great prize for the smaller clubs who win it, like Wigan, or the relatively new big boys who’ve won nothing, such as Spurs or Newcastle, but it doesn’t really mean much to the owners of the Manchester clubs, Chelsea and Liverpool, who’d expect their B teams to win it. It’s all about the top 4 and Champions League.
Even the Leicester fans (odd bunch, admittedly) wanted Rodgers out shortly after he won it.
Man Utd owners will look at the fact Newport and Coventry nearly utterly embarrassed them, as far more telling than the fact they beat a Liverpool team who missed a hatful of sitters and a hungover Man City. [Post edited 25 May 2024 21:33]
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 21:42 - May 25 with 2251 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 19:34 - May 25 by DistantBlue |
And did we sack our manager? Ok, we weren't one of the biggest clubs in Europe, some may say over achieving at the time. But I certainly don't remember any new manager discussion. We stayed true to a long term vision, which three years later pays off. Yes, there are big differences between then and now. |
Yes, different times, different expectations. The white wine never ran out. |  |
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 21:46 - May 25 with 2232 views | HighgateBlue |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 18:19 - May 25 by MK1 |
Manchester United finished 8th in the league. Any manager who can only manage 8th in the league for them is going to be sacked. They are the 2nd biggest club in world football. It may not seem like it at the moment, but 8th just isn't good enough for them. They had no choice really. |
They had every choice given that the fan base seem to be keen to keep him. It's not like there are demonstrations outside the club gates, and there are unlikely to be now that they have won the FA Cup.
I do agree that 8th is not good enough, but that doesn't mean that he automatically gets the sack. |  | | |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 21:51 - May 25 with 2211 views | Churchman |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 21:42 - May 25 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
Yes, different times, different expectations. The white wine never ran out. |
Yes, I know the cliche of the socialite Cobbolds and the wine never running out is a big archaic laugh but it misses the point.
John and Patrick understood people. They understood their word, integrity, being straight, commitment and giving people space to do their job. The world has changed. Human nature has not.
One of the things I’ve liked about our owners is that they seem to understand that. Sadly the cesspit world of the Premier League appears not to. | | | |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 23:13 - May 25 with 2148 views | N2_Blue |
the issue has been how poor they have been performance wise. It's not just that they finished 8th so far off the pace, some of their performances were utterly abject and ETH got his pants pulled down tactically in some of the games.
I just don't think you could say United are going to massivkely improve with ETH in charge, there has just been no evidence of it despte winning a trophy...and that was with some fortune int hose COventry and Liverppol games.
I do think they'd be mad to sack ETH to replace him with Mckenna because it could backfire badly. They clearly need expereince and someone tactically astute. Not sure who that is and if Kieran gets it I wish him well but it could end terribly for him. |  |
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 23:58 - May 25 with 2084 views | Oldsmoker |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 17:21 - May 25 by GlasgowBlue |
After top six finishes throughout the 70's, we finished 17th and three points above the relegation places the year we won the FA Cup. |
Boooooo!
Robson out.
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 00:11 - May 26 with 2075 views | textbackup |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 18:40 - May 25 by MK1 |
We are talking about Man Utd, not Spurs or Newcastle. They are the 2nd biggest club in the world. Top 4 should be a minimum for any manager there. He has signed a lot of his players, players he wanted, yet they finished 8th. Not good enough. |
👀 when KM has them 9th and no FA cup next season… while we finish 12th, get to the FA cup semi final. |  |
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 03:10 - May 26 with 2004 views | berkstractorboy |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 17:42 - May 25 by NedPlimpton |
Antony is a Ten Hag signing. You've definitely got to question his judgement there
No idea who Ananu is??? |
Yes Antony his signing but as I said he has left him out for many weeks so maybe realises the misjudgement. All managers have them .. Ahadme.
Ooops yes got Onana wrong have corrected. | | | |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 04:32 - May 26 with 1973 views | pointofblue |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 03:10 - May 26 by berkstractorboy |
Yes Antony his signing but as I said he has left him out for many weeks so maybe realises the misjudgement. All managers have them .. Ahadme.
Ooops yes got Onana wrong have corrected. |
In McKenna's defence Ahadme was a panic signing when we desperately needed a striker and seemed to struggle to get one through the door. And it's not like he'd managed him before so should be aware of all his strengths and weaknesses from the off (see ten Hag with Antony). | |
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 06:12 - May 26 with 1950 views | ibbleobble |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 18:19 - May 25 by MK1 |
Manchester United finished 8th in the league. Any manager who can only manage 8th in the league for them is going to be sacked. They are the 2nd biggest club in world football. It may not seem like it at the moment, but 8th just isn't good enough for them. They had no choice really. |
They said yesterday that their injuries have been so disruptive they’ve had 15 different CB pairings this season. That has to come into consideration. Yesterdays win might just have tipped the balance back in his favour given they outclassed Citeh. | | | |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 07:41 - May 26 with 1927 views | Vaughan8 |
I'm guessing some people haven't seen them play this season except yesterday.
They're lucky to be 8th. A lot of games they've smash and grabbed results (I know they still count etc) and they don't seem to have a plan of how to play.
Yes they've had injuries in defence but that's no excuse of not having a clear way to play, especially after 2 seasons.
Yesterday was anomaly not the normal. | | | |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 07:43 - May 26 with 1915 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Alex Ferguson famously ‘saved his job’ by winning the FA Cup after years without a trophy. I wonder why they didn’t replace him with a bloke who has won nothing and contrived to come second in the 3rd division despite having more than 2x the budget of Plymouth. Times have clearly changed. | |
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 07:52 - May 26 with 1900 views | MK1 |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 21:46 - May 25 by HighgateBlue |
They had every choice given that the fan base seem to be keen to keep him. It's not like there are demonstrations outside the club gates, and there are unlikely to be now that they have won the FA Cup.
I do agree that 8th is not good enough, but that doesn't mean that he automatically gets the sack. |
I get that the fan base at Utd is split. 50/50 according to MOTD, but did you see Ten Hag and Radcliff at the cup presentation yesterday? The Chairman would usually be hugging and congratulating him on winning the cup. Radcliff and Ten Hag shock hands and no eye contact. Radcliff then gave the players behind Ten Hag massive hugs and was all smiles. That tells me that they both know it was his last game. |  |
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 08:14 - May 26 with 1882 views | franz_tyson |
Well if he is sacked, then it's a pity he wasn't sacked earlier because Ajax were keen to get him back there. And they've just appointed Farioli from Nice. And Brighton were keen on Farioli ( maybe first-choice ahead of McKenna). Farioli to Brighton would have closed that door.
I think the Man U job is a massive one .... and it's not just an on the field coaching job - but one where they need to offload a lot of expensive deadwood and get their infrastructure in place. Maybe a year or two too soon for a young manager who has no PL management experience. If Ten Hag has just a year left on his contract, why not run it down and try and get things in place. Look for a top 6 finish minimum whilst they get their house in order. Ten Hag is battered and bruised already so why bring in a new manager who'll get the same unnecessary punishment straight away whilst things get sorted. Man U can't he turned around overnight. | | | |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 09:46 - May 26 with 1842 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 19:34 - May 25 by DistantBlue |
And did we sack our manager? Ok, we weren't one of the biggest clubs in Europe, some may say over achieving at the time. But I certainly don't remember any new manager discussion. We stayed true to a long term vision, which three years later pays off. Yes, there are big differences between then and now. |
Indeed. Different era admittedly and a very supportive bard but in today's terms we were a regular Champions League team who escaped relegation by three points but won the FA Cup. Managers don't seem to be allowed to have one bad season any more. Good managers don't become bad managers overnight. They should be backed more. |  |
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 12:36 - May 26 with 1799 views | Vegtablue |
I would be very tempted to sack him.
Only Sheff Utd have faced more shots in the league (671 v 660), which is crazy for a club with Man Utd's backing (£410M spent "by" ten Hag on transfer fees in his two seasons, in accompaniment with their huge wage bill). As others have said, they're as high as 8th because they've been clinical with the limited chances they've created, as well as opponents underperforming significantly in front of goal (the alternative xG table places them 15th, with -13 GD). The underlying quality in the side has frequently got them out of jail, effectively, but a GD of -1 still exposes how far off the top 7 they've been in performances.
You need to travel back decades for the last Man Utd side to have conceded as many goals as this, or lost as many games as this, and the accusation by pundits is that the side has been tactically illiterate for much of the season. 17 shots conceded a game (higher in 2024) is hard to pinpoint on the CB struggles alone, but rather emblematic of a team that has been much too easy to play through.
They've finished the season with a relative flourish though; yesterday tactics and discipline were spot on against a much more able side. Hopefully it's enough! | | | |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 12:47 - May 26 with 1784 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 12:36 - May 26 by Vegtablue |
I would be very tempted to sack him.
Only Sheff Utd have faced more shots in the league (671 v 660), which is crazy for a club with Man Utd's backing (£410M spent "by" ten Hag on transfer fees in his two seasons, in accompaniment with their huge wage bill). As others have said, they're as high as 8th because they've been clinical with the limited chances they've created, as well as opponents underperforming significantly in front of goal (the alternative xG table places them 15th, with -13 GD). The underlying quality in the side has frequently got them out of jail, effectively, but a GD of -1 still exposes how far off the top 7 they've been in performances.
You need to travel back decades for the last Man Utd side to have conceded as many goals as this, or lost as many games as this, and the accusation by pundits is that the side has been tactically illiterate for much of the season. 17 shots conceded a game (higher in 2024) is hard to pinpoint on the CB struggles alone, but rather emblematic of a team that has been much too easy to play through.
They've finished the season with a relative flourish though; yesterday tactics and discipline were spot on against a much more able side. Hopefully it's enough! |
Yep, 1989/90 since they last lost as many games in a season. Clubs their size can’t really afford to drop out of the league qualification places for Europe and rely on a one-off cup final to get them out of jail. I’ve been pretty underwhelmed whenever I’ve seen them this year.
It’ll be interesting to see what they decide, but he’ll be a lucky bloke if he keeps his job. I think the club are right to expect more. It’s not like he goes wanting for anything - facilities, choice of backroom staff, players, huge crowds to cheer them on each week. |  |
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 13:08 - May 26 with 1755 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
United were fortunate to finish as high as eighth, based on their underlying numbers, and very often this season they looked disorganised and lacking a gameplan. Yesterday was an exception. Injuries are clearly a mitigating factor, and I can see some justification for keeping him on, but if we're talking about harsh "modern football" sackings this wouldn't trouble the top of the list. And whether people like it or not, winning a domestic cup competition is not that high a priority for the "elite" clubs. | | | |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 13:23 - May 26 with 1733 views | OldFart71 |
If Ten Hag goes whoever takes over despite them obviously having a couple of really good young players upfront they are still short of quality in midfield and even if all their defenders are fit have real issues at centre back. Whether the situation can be resolved in one transfer window is open to debate and the biggest problem Utd have is Man City as while they continue to win the league, be in the Champions league and also get through to an FA cup final questions will be asked of any manager that doesn't get them in the top four of the Premier League. | | | |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 13:28 - May 26 with 1724 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 13:23 - May 26 by OldFart71 |
If Ten Hag goes whoever takes over despite them obviously having a couple of really good young players upfront they are still short of quality in midfield and even if all their defenders are fit have real issues at centre back. Whether the situation can be resolved in one transfer window is open to debate and the biggest problem Utd have is Man City as while they continue to win the league, be in the Champions league and also get through to an FA cup final questions will be asked of any manager that doesn't get them in the top four of the Premier League. |
If he does go, have there been any rumours about who may take over? | |
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 13:44 - May 26 with 1703 views | kpblues |
According to the BBC he is preparing for the FA Cup Final.... lets hope he wins (?!)
How bad are the BBC now.
24 hours after the final and they cannot be bothered to update their webpage.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league | |
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| Ten Hag sacking everything wrong with modern Football .... on 14:34 - May 26 with 1689 views | withyblue |
If the board don't think his project is going anywhere why would they keep him? They want to build a team capable of competing for titles and the European Cup, how he did in the FA Cup is fairly irrelevant to their outlook ove the next five years. Leicester won it and were relegated two years later, its not a sure sign the project is going in the right direction. | | | |
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