| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. 19:56 - Jun 6 with 3283 views | FrimleyBlue |
I say progress. Its submitted. Can remember it being spoken about but not sure if it had been at this point already? Also mentions a new cobbold stand.
You'd imagine if this gets going then we have no choice but to get started on a new stand as their plans work with a new stand,/ Road plan. [Post edited 6 Jun 2024 19:58]
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| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 21:03 - Jun 6 with 3040 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Quite the opposite.
The stand will be a later phase of the development. Probably the very last phase. |  |
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| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 21:21 - Jun 6 with 2955 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 21:03 - Jun 6 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Quite the opposite.
The stand will be a later phase of the development. Probably the very last phase. |
Possibly. However looking at their submitted proposals. The new road is quite important to the access of the whole thing. Obv not gonna be something done soon but I reckon if this gets passed then it'll be a couple of years. | |
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| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 21:52 - Jun 6 with 2856 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 21:21 - Jun 6 by FrimleyBlue |
Possibly. However looking at their submitted proposals. The new road is quite important to the access of the whole thing. Obv not gonna be something done soon but I reckon if this gets passed then it'll be a couple of years. |
From memory, the new road can be done without affecting the Cobbold stand?
The club won't sign up to a scheme that forces them to develop anything. They will be able to choose when to develop, depending on viability. They may not develop at all. | |
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| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 22:08 - Jun 6 with 2753 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 21:52 - Jun 6 by Marshalls_Mullet |
From memory, the new road can be done without affecting the Cobbold stand?
The club won't sign up to a scheme that forces them to develop anything. They will be able to choose when to develop, depending on viability. They may not develop at all. |
I suppose yeah it could. It would look weird tho as it's curved.
Agree they wouldn't be forced but they'll be heavily involved in this imo eso the opportunity to have a hotel on the ground too perhaps a Chelsea type set up opportunity? It looks brilliant though the plans. | |
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| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 22:11 - Jun 6 with 2729 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 22:08 - Jun 6 by FrimleyBlue |
I suppose yeah it could. It would look weird tho as it's curved.
Agree they wouldn't be forced but they'll be heavily involved in this imo eso the opportunity to have a hotel on the ground too perhaps a Chelsea type set up opportunity? It looks brilliant though the plans. |
I would keep a hotel separate, it's all very well in prime London, but can complicate things in secondary markets.
Boltons Hotel isn't exactly thriving.
The road will look fine, the curve isn't an issue. | |
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| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 23:52 - Jun 6 with 2456 views | SouperJim |
| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 21:52 - Jun 6 by Marshalls_Mullet |
From memory, the new road can be done without affecting the Cobbold stand?
The club won't sign up to a scheme that forces them to develop anything. They will be able to choose when to develop, depending on viability. They may not develop at all. |
I think you underestimate our owners. Plans have been submitted, they're building it. Ashton introduced the idea to us a while ago now, he said medium to long term but clearly promotion to the PL has accelerated things. |  |
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| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 00:13 - Jun 7 with 2425 views | stonojnr |
| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 23:52 - Jun 6 by SouperJim |
I think you underestimate our owners. Plans have been submitted, they're building it. Ashton introduced the idea to us a while ago now, he said medium to long term but clearly promotion to the PL has accelerated things. |
Really,so who is paying for it then ?
And just to remind you Snoasis had plans submitted and accepted for years.
The Mint Quarter had plans submitted and accepted for years.
The Tolly Cobbold brewery has had plans submitted and accepted for years
The Tesco alongside the river had plans submitted and accepted for years.
Note a pattern ? |  | | |
| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 01:11 - Jun 7 with 2372 views | Illinoisblue |
| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 00:13 - Jun 7 by stonojnr |
Really,so who is paying for it then ?
And just to remind you Snoasis had plans submitted and accepted for years.
The Mint Quarter had plans submitted and accepted for years.
The Tolly Cobbold brewery has had plans submitted and accepted for years
The Tesco alongside the river had plans submitted and accepted for years.
Note a pattern ? |
A pattern of plans not backed by genuine ambition and wealth, and by owners eager to cash in from the riches of the premier league? |  |
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| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 08:01 - Jun 7 with 2007 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 23:52 - Jun 6 by SouperJim |
I think you underestimate our owners. Plans have been submitted, they're building it. Ashton introduced the idea to us a while ago now, he said medium to long term but clearly promotion to the PL has accelerated things. |
They won't be building it in the next 5 years. | |
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| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 08:02 - Jun 7 with 1998 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 01:11 - Jun 7 by Illinoisblue |
A pattern of plans not backed by genuine ambition and wealth, and by owners eager to cash in from the riches of the premier league? |
You underestimate how much a stand costs to build and deliver. | |
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| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 08:24 - Jun 7 with 1914 views | BlueRaider |
Such a missed opportunity to make a 50m pool | |
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| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 08:24 - Jun 7 with 1915 views | farkenhell |
| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 08:01 - Jun 7 by Marshalls_Mullet |
They won't be building it in the next 5 years. |
5 years? If the club remains in the premier league, surely they will want to cash in on the level of demand before then? | | | |
| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 09:08 - Jun 7 with 1819 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 08:24 - Jun 7 by farkenhell |
5 years? If the club remains in the premier league, surely they will want to cash in on the level of demand before then? |
Just my view.
It's a huge investment, with huge risk. We have seen what's happened before after building new stands.
After they get outline planning, they will still need to do a detailed design and get full planning. The process will take ages with lots of consultants.
The Council are leading the main development, they will move slowly.
We'll want earlier phases to be completed first, delivering the infrastructure.
We'll need to demolish the existing stand and also plan for a long period with a lower capacity due to the building work.
My view is that the current owners won't build the stand as they plan to exit within 5 years. They will want the planning in place to sell it as an opportunity to the next owners of the club. | |
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| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 10:26 - Jun 7 with 1695 views | Churchman |
| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 09:08 - Jun 7 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Just my view.
It's a huge investment, with huge risk. We have seen what's happened before after building new stands.
After they get outline planning, they will still need to do a detailed design and get full planning. The process will take ages with lots of consultants.
The Council are leading the main development, they will move slowly.
We'll want earlier phases to be completed first, delivering the infrastructure.
We'll need to demolish the existing stand and also plan for a long period with a lower capacity due to the building work.
My view is that the current owners won't build the stand as they plan to exit within 5 years. They will want the planning in place to sell it as an opportunity to the next owners of the club. |
I agree we are talking years, not months, but without any knowledge or expertise, my guess is three years time. The ground doesn’t generate much income in its current aged state and they’ll want to do that while they’re here.
These are real estate people; builders. I don’t sense the zero investment quick flip/sweat the assets mentality of Evans in them. |  | | |
| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 11:34 - Jun 7 with 1605 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 10:26 - Jun 7 by Churchman |
I agree we are talking years, not months, but without any knowledge or expertise, my guess is three years time. The ground doesn’t generate much income in its current aged state and they’ll want to do that while they’re here.
These are real estate people; builders. I don’t sense the zero investment quick flip/sweat the assets mentality of Evans in them. |
I work in commercial development, Id be amazed if they build a new stand within 3 years.
I don't think the current ownership will build one at all. They will put the plans in place for the next owners.
What is the likely increase in capacity?
What is the likely return on investment?
Its a difficult one to stack up, certainly until you are an established Premier League team. | |
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| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 11:51 - Jun 7 with 1575 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 11:34 - Jun 7 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I work in commercial development, Id be amazed if they build a new stand within 3 years.
I don't think the current ownership will build one at all. They will put the plans in place for the next owners.
What is the likely increase in capacity?
What is the likely return on investment?
Its a difficult one to stack up, certainly until you are an established Premier League team. |
I can't see the latest Investors spending 100 mill on just the training ground. Can see them using some of that fee on a new stand.
Its not just about football.. how can they utilise that stand 365 days a year.. it won't just be about an extra 4000 seats or whatever it will have the ability to hold daily meetings. Corporate events etc imo. | |
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| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 12:03 - Jun 7 with 1518 views | Illinoisblue |
| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 08:02 - Jun 7 by Marshalls_Mullet |
You underestimate how much a stand costs to build and deliver. |
Not at all. Tens and tens and tens of millions. It’s a huge investment and a logistical nightmare if we have to temporarily reduce capacity while we’re in the prem to get it built. But given that stand is 50+ years old we don’t have much choice, surely | |
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| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 12:04 - Jun 7 with 1506 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 11:51 - Jun 7 by FrimleyBlue |
I can't see the latest Investors spending 100 mill on just the training ground. Can see them using some of that fee on a new stand.
Its not just about football.. how can they utilise that stand 365 days a year.. it won't just be about an extra 4000 seats or whatever it will have the ability to hold daily meetings. Corporate events etc imo. |
We'll just have to agree to differ.
5 years minimum for a new stand to be delivered. | |
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| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 12:10 - Jun 7 with 1487 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 11:51 - Jun 7 by FrimleyBlue |
I can't see the latest Investors spending 100 mill on just the training ground. Can see them using some of that fee on a new stand.
Its not just about football.. how can they utilise that stand 365 days a year.. it won't just be about an extra 4000 seats or whatever it will have the ability to hold daily meetings. Corporate events etc imo. |
Town CEO Mark Ashton added;
“The redevelopment of the Cobbold Stand and an increase in capacity has been part of our long-term masterplan for the stadium and, while it must be stressed no work is imminent, we are pleased to have been able to work with Ipswich Borough Council to identify the required land to make this possible.” | |
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| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 17:55 - Jun 7 with 1223 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 12:10 - Jun 7 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Town CEO Mark Ashton added;
“The redevelopment of the Cobbold Stand and an increase in capacity has been part of our long-term masterplan for the stadium and, while it must be stressed no work is imminent, we are pleased to have been able to work with Ipswich Borough Council to identify the required land to make this possible.” |
Apologies I don't get what I'm supposed to see with that quote? Wasn't that interview.. 1.. before we got promoted. 2 before we got the 100 mill investors and 3. I wouldn't call 3 or 4 years imment but part of the long term plan he talks about. I think we will defo have to agree to disagree here but I Don't think it will be 5 years before it's started. | |
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| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 18:02 - Jun 7 with 1209 views | BloomBlue |
They should build a new stand with a swimming pool on the top of it. If it was one of those infinity pools and built in at the correct angle, people could swim and watch the football at the same time. Perfect for those balmy days
That would be some statement |  | | |
| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 18:05 - Jun 7 with 1177 views | bournemouthblue |
| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 17:55 - Jun 7 by FrimleyBlue |
Apologies I don't get what I'm supposed to see with that quote? Wasn't that interview.. 1.. before we got promoted. 2 before we got the 100 mill investors and 3. I wouldn't call 3 or 4 years imment but part of the long term plan he talks about. I think we will defo have to agree to disagree here but I Don't think it will be 5 years before it's started. |
My gut feeling would be 3 - 4 and it may even be the case that they build the back of the stand which is clearly sizeable before they do the front bit. That seems to be trend with new stand builds now.
Liverpool have done that with two of their new stands to minimise disruption. |  |
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| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 18:11 - Jun 7 with 1138 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Sorry if posted already. But progress on new aquatics centre.. on 18:05 - Jun 7 by bournemouthblue |
My gut feeling would be 3 - 4 and it may even be the case that they build the back of the stand which is clearly sizeable before they do the front bit. That seems to be trend with new stand builds now.
Liverpool have done that with two of their new stands to minimise disruption. |
I just don't see how it wouldn't become part of the whole process of making the car park what it is to become.
For example. Say the council do there bit. Everything's great.. town are then going to close down half the entry points whilst they then begin work on the stand. Let alone space for bulldozers. Cranes etc etc.. on a freshly laid project by the council.. I just don't see it. Surely it makes sense to have everything down together. | |
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