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It always absolutely staggers me that this is even a question. What is a human but an animal with a more powerful brain? Of course animals think and feel. It shows such an irrational, dogmatic blockage in people when they propose otherwise, whether through weak science, fear, or nutty religions, and it probably reflects one of the fundamental weaknesses in the human psyche that explains why we don't take care of our world.
We're not special and different.
Good work by Philogene...... GREAT WORK BY PHILOGENE!!!
Quite. I’d go further - I find it absolutely ridiculous that anyone could think they’re *not* conscious. You’ve only got to look at most people’s reactions to injured animals they find (usually kindness, concern, care) to see that.
Maybe those who don’t see it are why a lot of cruelty towards and neglect of animals goes on.
"I am a genuine believer in free speech, in the real sense, not the left wing sense, the 'I think free speech is important for people I agree with' Guardian readers" - Jonathan Pie ///// "These middle class, perma-offended, virtue-signalling woke w@nkers have declared that the great unwashed are just one tasteless joke away from turning into fascists" - Jonathan Pie ///// "In a sense, the political left’s attempts to silence ideas they cannot, or will not, debate are a confession of intellectual bankruptcy" - Thomas Sowell
Speaking of animals and religion, this couldn’t have been better timed.
I took my dog for a walk earlier and she decided to stop for a dump directly opposite the church door. It was open, and as I looked in there’s an old boy in there watching my dog curl one out as the organist played the Lord is my shepherd. Can only apologise if it’s anyone on here.
As for the question, you only have to see any dogs reaction to seeing their owner back from being out to answer that.
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Are animals conscious? How new research is changing minds. on 10:21 - Jun 16 with 3517 views
The question is not, Can they reason? nor, Can they talk? but, Can they suffer? (Jeremy Bentham, An Introduction to the Principles of Morals and Legislation, 1789)
Good to see some people finally catching up.
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Are animals conscious? How new research is changing minds. on 10:21 - Jun 16 with 3518 views
Are animals conscious? How new research is changing minds. on 10:14 - Jun 16 by bluearmy4838
Speaking of animals and religion, this couldn’t have been better timed.
I took my dog for a walk earlier and she decided to stop for a dump directly opposite the church door. It was open, and as I looked in there’s an old boy in there watching my dog curl one out as the organist played the Lord is my shepherd. Can only apologise if it’s anyone on here.
As for the question, you only have to see any dogs reaction to seeing their owner back from being out to answer that.
Exactly. Their experiments showed animals can be curious and playful. Anyone who has spent 20 minutes in the park throwing a ball for them to chase knew that.
"I am a genuine believer in free speech, in the real sense, not the left wing sense, the 'I think free speech is important for people I agree with' Guardian readers" - Jonathan Pie ///// "These middle class, perma-offended, virtue-signalling woke w@nkers have declared that the great unwashed are just one tasteless joke away from turning into fascists" - Jonathan Pie ///// "In a sense, the political left’s attempts to silence ideas they cannot, or will not, debate are a confession of intellectual bankruptcy" - Thomas Sowell
The questions that were posed when I did my animal rights section of the philosophy degree centred around sentience, a sense of awareness rather than intelligence or perception. This led to a type of spectrum of viewpoints that led to a cut off point but no one knew where that cut off point was, dogs seem to have all types of awareness so they are clearly sentient but a stumbling block for many is fish - after all some of them just swim around in circles, but then again it's because we put them in goldfish bowls.
There gets to be a problem with respect for all living things for many when we get to insects, so have no ill feeling at all about spraying everywhere to get rid of 'pests' and then there is the problem of never knowing if you have trodden on an ant or beetle as you walk across the fields. However there does, thankfully, seem to be a growing sentience amongst us humans about how we treat larger mammals, even if we continue to eat them.
Are animals conscious? How new research is changing minds. on 10:21 - Jun 16 by J2BLUE
Exactly. Their experiments showed animals can be curious and playful. Anyone who has spent 20 minutes in the park throwing a ball for them to chase knew that.
Lambs are playful.
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Are animals conscious? How new research is changing minds. on 10:31 - Jun 16 with 3445 views
Are animals conscious? How new research is changing minds. on 10:29 - Jun 16 by eireblue
Lambs are playful.
I don't eat lambs
"I am a genuine believer in free speech, in the real sense, not the left wing sense, the 'I think free speech is important for people I agree with' Guardian readers" - Jonathan Pie ///// "These middle class, perma-offended, virtue-signalling woke w@nkers have declared that the great unwashed are just one tasteless joke away from turning into fascists" - Jonathan Pie ///// "In a sense, the political left’s attempts to silence ideas they cannot, or will not, debate are a confession of intellectual bankruptcy" - Thomas Sowell
Are animals conscious? How new research is changing minds. on 10:22 - Jun 16 by WeWereZombies
The questions that were posed when I did my animal rights section of the philosophy degree centred around sentience, a sense of awareness rather than intelligence or perception. This led to a type of spectrum of viewpoints that led to a cut off point but no one knew where that cut off point was, dogs seem to have all types of awareness so they are clearly sentient but a stumbling block for many is fish - after all some of them just swim around in circles, but then again it's because we put them in goldfish bowls.
There gets to be a problem with respect for all living things for many when we get to insects, so have no ill feeling at all about spraying everywhere to get rid of 'pests' and then there is the problem of never knowing if you have trodden on an ant or beetle as you walk across the fields. However there does, thankfully, seem to be a growing sentience amongst us humans about how we treat larger mammals, even if we continue to eat them.
Ahem….surely you meant,….even if some humans continue to eat them.
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Are animals conscious? How new research is changing minds. on 10:38 - Jun 16 with 3418 views
Are animals conscious? How new research is changing minds. on 10:38 - Jun 16 by eireblue
Okay, I have a list of playful animals….
I don't eat monkeys or dolphins either
"I am a genuine believer in free speech, in the real sense, not the left wing sense, the 'I think free speech is important for people I agree with' Guardian readers" - Jonathan Pie ///// "These middle class, perma-offended, virtue-signalling woke w@nkers have declared that the great unwashed are just one tasteless joke away from turning into fascists" - Jonathan Pie ///// "In a sense, the political left’s attempts to silence ideas they cannot, or will not, debate are a confession of intellectual bankruptcy" - Thomas Sowell
Are animals conscious? How new research is changing minds. on 10:29 - Jun 16 by eireblue
Lambs are playful.
So are pigs. When I had my organic smallholding, I had a pair of Berkshires who found it extremely amusing to grab the toggles of the elasticated drawstrings on my waterproof jackets, walk back a couple of feet, and then let go. I was always covered in toggle-sized bruises!
Are animals conscious? How new research is changing minds. on 10:44 - Jun 16 by Ryorry
So are pigs. When I had my organic smallholding, I had a pair of Berkshires who found it extremely amusing to grab the toggles of the elasticated drawstrings on my waterproof jackets, walk back a couple of feet, and then let go. I was always covered in toggle-sized bruises!
'Other risks posed by feral swine to people include attacks on individuals or collisions with vehicles and aircraft. Feral swine have been aggressive towards and even attacked farmers, golfers, hikers, and picnickers. Aggression can be increased when they associate people with food because of handouts and improper waste disposal.'
Are animals conscious? How new research is changing minds. on 10:55 - Jun 16 by WeWereZombies
'Other risks posed by feral swine to people include attacks on individuals or collisions with vehicles and aircraft. Feral swine have been aggressive towards and even attacked farmers, golfers, hikers, and picnickers. Aggression can be increased when they associate people with food because of handouts and improper waste disposal.'
'Referencing an analogous function served by the World Wide Web in human communities, the many roles that mycorrhizal networks appear to play in woodland have earned them a colloquial nickname: the Wood Wide Web.'
'Referencing an analogous function served by the World Wide Web in human communities, the many roles that mycorrhizal networks appear to play in woodland have earned them a colloquial nickname: the Wood Wide Web.'
Fungi are *amazing*.
If anyone hasn’t read it - ‘Entangled Life’ by Merlin Sheldrake’ - you won’t be sorry if you spend the time. ‘Astounding’ and ‘vision-changing’ are others’ descriptions of it.
Of course animals are conscious, sentient, have feelings, etc.
If you truly think humans are not special nor different, though, you think that anything done to any animal should be in the eyes of the law the same as that action done to a human being.
The religious difference (in Christian belief at least) is the existence of a soul. I am quite sure that scientific experimentation is not going to determine the answer to that.
Are animals conscious? How new research is changing minds. on 17:20 - Jun 16 by Nthsuffolkblue
Of course animals are conscious, sentient, have feelings, etc.
If you truly think humans are not special nor different, though, you think that anything done to any animal should be in the eyes of the law the same as that action done to a human being.
The religious difference (in Christian belief at least) is the existence of a soul. I am quite sure that scientific experimentation is not going to determine the answer to that.
Somebody I was with a while ago posed the question that if Aliens arrived on our planet, would they see humans as the intelligent ones? Obviously, we have dominated the planet, but at a fundamental level are we brighter or have the capacity/potential to be more intelligent than any other lifeform on the planet. Or is it that we based our supposed intelligence domination on measures that we have defined?
'Referencing an analogous function served by the World Wide Web in human communities, the many roles that mycorrhizal networks appear to play in woodland have earned them a colloquial nickname: the Wood Wide Web.'
Sorry fella, think my fat fingers pushed the abuse icon by mistake 😊
We have no village green, or a shop.
It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub.
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Are animals conscious? How new research is changing minds. on 00:15 - Jun 17 with 2737 views
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