| Foden 22:03 - Jun 16 with 4034 views | tonybied |
I know he's still young, and I'm not writing him off yet but I currently get that feeling he's going to be another one of those players that shines in club football but never seems to be able to replicate that kind of form in an England shirt? |  | | |  |
| Foden on 22:07 - Jun 16 with 3948 views | StokieBlue |
I think he would like to play where Bellingham is playing but that's never going to happen because Bellingham is ridiculous.
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| Foden on 22:19 - Jun 16 with 3873 views | Ftnfwest |
| Foden on 22:07 - Jun 16 by StokieBlue |
I think he would like to play where Bellingham is playing but that's never going to happen because Bellingham is ridiculous.
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Problem is our three best players with palmer are all nr 10s. Thought Gordon should have come on and he was generally late with subs. Rice had to do a lot of work to cover TAA |  | | |
| Foden on 22:20 - Jun 16 with 3855 views | StokieBlue |
| Foden on 22:19 - Jun 16 by Ftnfwest |
Problem is our three best players with palmer are all nr 10s. Thought Gordon should have come on and he was generally late with subs. Rice had to do a lot of work to cover TAA |
Three best players with one quite a lot better than the other two.
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| Foden on 22:26 - Jun 16 with 3785 views | mellowblue |
| Foden on 22:20 - Jun 16 by StokieBlue |
Three best players with one quite a lot better than the other two.
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Make Pep England manager and he might shine. Comes down to playing in a good side with a good system and knowing your role at City. Then he has to play for England make sense of the Southgate footballing incoherence. Many good footballers would struggle. |  | | |
| Foden on 22:31 - Jun 16 with 3745 views | Reuser_is_God |
| Foden on 22:07 - Jun 16 by StokieBlue |
I think he would like to play where Bellingham is playing but that's never going to happen because Bellingham is ridiculous.
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In fairness he plays wide for City too. |  |
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| Foden on 22:47 - Jun 16 with 3650 views | pointofblue |
| Foden on 22:31 - Jun 16 by Reuser_is_God |
In fairness he plays wide for City too. |
Via a different style, though. | |
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| Foden on 22:48 - Jun 16 with 3641 views | StokieBlue |
| Foden on 22:31 - Jun 16 by Reuser_is_God |
In fairness he plays wide for City too. |
In a totally choreographed style where he knows where to go and where others will be.
I believe he played centrally against Iceland?
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| Foden on 22:52 - Jun 16 with 3595 views | pointofblue |
| Foden on 22:48 - Jun 16 by StokieBlue |
In a totally choreographed style where he knows where to go and where others will be.
I believe he played centrally against Iceland?
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He did and was terrible. Mind you, everyone was awful against Iceland. | |
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| Foden on 05:53 - Jun 17 with 3279 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Just not as good as his publicity perhaps.
Given that he’s anonymous when he plays for England he should perhaps been left behind instead of Grealish | |
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| Foden on 06:22 - Jun 17 with 3199 views | franz_tyson |
Not impressed with him. Gives possession away too often and anonymous. With Bellingham, I think we can play him anywhere and he'd be good.
If Foden wants to prove how great he is then he should show it playing in a wider role. It's not like we're asking him to be a 9 or a CB. Show your versatility.... its not all on Southgate playing him out of position. I'd drop him for Gordon, who'd at least be a better fit playing wide left.
It's stupid and wrong I know, but I look at his tw@tty tramline haircut and new neck tattoo and wonder if it's gone too much to his head. | | | |
| Foden on 07:18 - Jun 17 with 2998 views | Churchman |
| Foden on 06:22 - Jun 17 by franz_tyson |
Not impressed with him. Gives possession away too often and anonymous. With Bellingham, I think we can play him anywhere and he'd be good.
If Foden wants to prove how great he is then he should show it playing in a wider role. It's not like we're asking him to be a 9 or a CB. Show your versatility.... its not all on Southgate playing him out of position. I'd drop him for Gordon, who'd at least be a better fit playing wide left.
It's stupid and wrong I know, but I look at his tw@tty tramline haircut and new neck tattoo and wonder if it's gone too much to his head. |
I don’t think Southgate knows how to play him and he doesn’t know where to play.
Bellingham is so exceptional that he would shine in any team, including a badly set up one. Saka is excellent too, but as a wide player he isn’t going to do a huge amount when we are playing last ditch defence for 60 minutes against the might of Serbia.
I guess I’m hyper critical for two reasons. I don’t rate Southgate as a manager. Nice bloke I’m sure. But so was John Duncan and I’m sure Paul Cook is the life and soul of the Dog and Duck after training, but managing?
Secondly, we’ve been rather spoiled in how McKenna sets a team up and the attitude imbued in them. Yes, we played possession based, but didn’t always have the most possession last year yet were always looking to go forwards. Subs? Brought on with real impact, even if the players concerned weren’t the best. They all knew their role.
Do Southgate’s players? Backwards, sideways with no real energy to it. Compare that to Germany and co. We have players as good as these teams going forward, but they’re better than us.
The daily sharp haircut and tattoos are Foden’s own affair but I know what you mean - but them I’m an old fogey |  | | |
| Foden on 07:23 - Jun 17 with 2958 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Foden on 05:53 - Jun 17 by ElephantintheRoom |
Just not as good as his publicity perhaps.
Given that he’s anonymous when he plays for England he should perhaps been left behind instead of Grealish |
Had a poor game but comments like this are peak ridiculous fan nonsense.
He's won everything there is to win in club football and as an outstanding performer within that. His individual stats and team honours speak for themselves. He shines above £100million pound footballers.
Phil Foden is absolutely world class. He just had a poor game. | |
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| Foden on 07:43 - Jun 17 with 2881 views | tonybied |
| Foden on 07:23 - Jun 17 by Nutkins_Return |
Had a poor game but comments like this are peak ridiculous fan nonsense.
He's won everything there is to win in club football and as an outstanding performer within that. His individual stats and team honours speak for themselves. He shines above £100million pound footballers.
Phil Foden is absolutely world class. He just had a poor game. |
He's not showing he's world class though is he, that was my initial point. He has shown he's a great player at club level but he hasn't taken that into international football. I can't remember a single international game that he has taken by the scruff of the neck at all, last nights performance wasn't in isolation.
I don't doubt there's a player in there, you'd have to be stupid to think there's not, but he has a long way to go to be called world class for me yet.
Winning everything at club level does not make you world class. Steve McManaman won it all at club level but never managed to take that into the England shirt, in fact I'd parallel their international careers so far. McManaman was heralded as the next big thing to step onto the scene when he broke through, he was excellent for Liverpool but that form never really followed him into the England team.
I really do hope it clicks into place for him soon, and I suspect it's just the pessimistic England fan in me that's seeing it this way after seeing so many wonderful talents never quite make it to the level they should do. | | | |
| Foden on 08:40 - Jun 17 with 2765 views | BiGDonnie |
Really poor yesterday. Disappointed Eze or Gordon weren't bought on to show what they can do.
Also, Trippier at left back is so rubbish and ruins our entire flow. |  |
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| Foden on 08:40 - Jun 17 with 2767 views | itfcjoe |
Phil Foden is a fantastic player, one of the best in the PL and may be better than Bukayo Saka
But Saka has been great for England from his first cap and always makes game changing contributuons when Foden has done very little for England, very few gaol contributions and bar the Senegal game in the last WC I can't remember any in big games whereas I can list 5 for Saka without even trying hard.
It reminds me a bit of Paul Scholes for England, when everyone now moans in hindsight that he was shunted out to the left when he'd been poor for England for 2-3 years in the middle adn we just tried to keep fitting him in the team. it feels like what we are doing with Foden currently.
I'll be interested to see how he does with a genuine left back behind him, because him drifting in won't be as severely noticed because someone else will hold the width - but last night with no left hand side and kane dropping deep we made the pitch so small and couldn't work a way out and to stretch them.
But for me, I'd have Foden as a sub to use in place of Saka/Bellingham as and when required |  |
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| Foden on 08:45 - Jun 17 with 2731 views | farkenhell |
| Foden on 06:22 - Jun 17 by franz_tyson |
Not impressed with him. Gives possession away too often and anonymous. With Bellingham, I think we can play him anywhere and he'd be good.
If Foden wants to prove how great he is then he should show it playing in a wider role. It's not like we're asking him to be a 9 or a CB. Show your versatility.... its not all on Southgate playing him out of position. I'd drop him for Gordon, who'd at least be a better fit playing wide left.
It's stupid and wrong I know, but I look at his tw@tty tramline haircut and new neck tattoo and wonder if it's gone too much to his head. |
Tbf surely there is no other place for a tramline haircut and neck tattoo? | | | |
| Foden on 09:04 - Jun 17 with 2689 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Foden on 07:23 - Jun 17 by Nutkins_Return |
Had a poor game but comments like this are peak ridiculous fan nonsense.
He's won everything there is to win in club football and as an outstanding performer within that. His individual stats and team honours speak for themselves. He shines above £100million pound footballers.
Phil Foden is absolutely world class. He just had a poor game. |
IF he was world class he’d shine for his country - but he can’t and he doesn’t.
Nobody is disputing he plays well for the sportswashers- but he has to play with poorer players for England iin a system that is aimed more at Kane and Bellingham. The simple fact is that Bellingham is the better player - so Foden shouldn’t play | |
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| Foden on 09:24 - Jun 17 with 2636 views | pointofblue |
| Foden on 08:40 - Jun 17 by itfcjoe |
Phil Foden is a fantastic player, one of the best in the PL and may be better than Bukayo Saka
But Saka has been great for England from his first cap and always makes game changing contributuons when Foden has done very little for England, very few gaol contributions and bar the Senegal game in the last WC I can't remember any in big games whereas I can list 5 for Saka without even trying hard.
It reminds me a bit of Paul Scholes for England, when everyone now moans in hindsight that he was shunted out to the left when he'd been poor for England for 2-3 years in the middle adn we just tried to keep fitting him in the team. it feels like what we are doing with Foden currently.
I'll be interested to see how he does with a genuine left back behind him, because him drifting in won't be as severely noticed because someone else will hold the width - but last night with no left hand side and kane dropping deep we made the pitch so small and couldn't work a way out and to stretch them.
But for me, I'd have Foden as a sub to use in place of Saka/Bellingham as and when required |
What stood out for me is Bowen did more in his cameo than Foden did across the whole match. As someone else alluded to, is that because of a lack of support from left back? Did Bowen (and Saka before him) benefit from playing ahead of Walker? But then what's the excuse for his nom appearance against Iceland? Or the fact he seems to be outshined by most, including Shaw when he's playing?
I think I'm right in saying Bowen has played on the left before. I'd definitely prefer to see him or Gordon ahead of Foden on Thursday. The sad thing is I can't remember the last time Foden put in a good performance for England. | |
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