| Bionic man Andy Murray retires 20:46 - Aug 1 with 2608 views | Edmundo |
Beaten but leaves a legacy of never giving up on lost causes.
Hopefully our boys continue to do the same this coming season. The comeback wins are always special. |  |
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| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 23:15 - Aug 1 with 2509 views | Illinoisblue |
He’s good at tweets, too:
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| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 23:24 - Aug 1 with 2494 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I don't get this BBC obsession with describing him as the greatest British athlete ever. Sure, he was the most successful male British tennis player but there are a lot of other sports where British players have succeeded far more than him. |  |
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| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 00:02 - Aug 2 with 2422 views | BlueForYou |
Three Majors, two Olympic Golds, & a Davis Cup. That’s a very special career. We may never see another British player like it. He really toughened himself up from young frailties & set an amazing example to everyone. Had to compete against Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, all in their prime. Wonder what he’ll do next? |  | | |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 03:23 - Aug 2 with 2324 views | Mercian |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 23:24 - Aug 1 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I don't get this BBC obsession with describing him as the greatest British athlete ever. Sure, he was the most successful male British tennis player but there are a lot of other sports where British players have succeeded far more than him. |
Agreed. He may scrape into the top 20 male tennis players in history. Lewis Hamilton on the other hand is in the top 5 F1 drivers in history. Murray got knighted years before Hamilton who only got his gong when it would have been impossible not to award him. I think why Lewis is disliked is that people expected him to be a crusader for black people when in reality he is another F1 playboy. [Post edited 2 Aug 2024 3:23]
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| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 07:08 - Aug 2 with 2205 views | iamatractorboy |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 03:23 - Aug 2 by Mercian |
Agreed. He may scrape into the top 20 male tennis players in history. Lewis Hamilton on the other hand is in the top 5 F1 drivers in history. Murray got knighted years before Hamilton who only got his gong when it would have been impossible not to award him. I think why Lewis is disliked is that people expected him to be a crusader for black people when in reality he is another F1 playboy. [Post edited 2 Aug 2024 3:23]
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Tennis is surely more competitive than F1/other motor sports though? Murray had the bad luck to spend his entire career against the 3 best ever players and still came out with a few accolades. Pretty impressive in my book. |  | | |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 07:17 - Aug 2 with 2191 views | ReusersTown |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 03:23 - Aug 2 by Mercian |
Agreed. He may scrape into the top 20 male tennis players in history. Lewis Hamilton on the other hand is in the top 5 F1 drivers in history. Murray got knighted years before Hamilton who only got his gong when it would have been impossible not to award him. I think why Lewis is disliked is that people expected him to be a crusader for black people when in reality he is another F1 playboy. [Post edited 2 Aug 2024 3:23]
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You think driving a car makes you an athlete? | | | |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 08:03 - Aug 2 with 2127 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 07:17 - Aug 2 by ReusersTown |
You think driving a car makes you an athlete? |
Considering the G forces, reaction times and physical abilities required to drive f1 cars, absolutely. The physical workouts required to maintain peak fitness through the season is incredible.
At 39 for lewis to continue to achieve what he is it's incredible. |  |
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| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 08:18 - Aug 2 with 2094 views | mikeybloo88 |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 03:23 - Aug 2 by Mercian |
Agreed. He may scrape into the top 20 male tennis players in history. Lewis Hamilton on the other hand is in the top 5 F1 drivers in history. Murray got knighted years before Hamilton who only got his gong when it would have been impossible not to award him. I think why Lewis is disliked is that people expected him to be a crusader for black people when in reality he is another F1 playboy. [Post edited 2 Aug 2024 3:23]
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You can’t call people, or RAF squadrons, crusaders any more ... you better edit your post before someone is offended |  | | |
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| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 08:30 - Aug 2 with 2074 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 07:17 - Aug 2 by ReusersTown |
You think driving a car makes you an athlete? |
They do have to be incredibly fit and able to withstand extremely strong forces for 1-2 hours in fairness.
F1 is still very different beast to most sports and drivers success has a lot of input from team etc.
Murray is clearly one of our greatest athletes if not the greatest of all time. No issue with that. Great success and would have had 10+ slams in another era. | |
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| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 08:35 - Aug 2 with 2062 views | Churchman |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 23:24 - Aug 1 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I don't get this BBC obsession with describing him as the greatest British athlete ever. Sure, he was the most successful male British tennis player but there are a lot of other sports where British players have succeeded far more than him. |
Fred Perry won eight of the things, albeit with long trousers and a bit of brylcreem.
I don’t get the obsession with him either. OTT as far as I’m concerned. Terrific player who made the most of his talent. 18th equal in the list of grand slam winners in the open era, so there have been plenty better. Plenty less difficult to watch with his face pulling and histrionics.
The everlasting ‘fair well Andy’ nonsense was irritating too. Not only did he deny another player the chance of competing at Wimbledon and the Olympics, his old bat of a mother also had the brass neck to have a pop at Raducanu for not playing with Sir Andy and putting her own chances at risk. |  | | |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 09:29 - Aug 2 with 1981 views | DJR |
There is obviously a case too for Seb Coe or Nick Faldo but it is interesting to note that Murray was world No.1 (at a time of Nadal, Djokovic and Federer) for 44 weeks before injuries kicked in, so who knows how many more titles he might have one in a golden era for tennis.
This chart sums up his spectacular fall from No.1.
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| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 10:16 - Aug 2 with 1904 views | gtsb1966 |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 23:24 - Aug 1 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I don't get this BBC obsession with describing him as the greatest British athlete ever. Sure, he was the most successful male British tennis player but there are a lot of other sports where British players have succeeded far more than him. |
Joe Calzaghe gets my vote. 46 fights and never beaten and he fought the best . |  | | |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 10:23 - Aug 2 with 1894 views | EdwardStone |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 10:16 - Aug 2 by gtsb1966 |
Joe Calzaghe gets my vote. 46 fights and never beaten and he fought the best . |
And his folded-over pizzas are ace
Like an exotic Cornish pastie [Post edited 2 Aug 2024 10:24]
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| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 11:43 - Aug 2 with 1790 views | ReusersTown |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 03:23 - Aug 2 by Mercian |
Agreed. He may scrape into the top 20 male tennis players in history. Lewis Hamilton on the other hand is in the top 5 F1 drivers in history. Murray got knighted years before Hamilton who only got his gong when it would have been impossible not to award him. I think why Lewis is disliked is that people expected him to be a crusader for black people when in reality he is another F1 playboy. [Post edited 2 Aug 2024 3:23]
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Name me 20 better tennis players than Murray? I'm not even particularly partial to Murray but you have to respect what he means to the sport. F1 is hardly even a sport is why with the most important element being the design team, and all the sycophantic drive to survive watchers is the most tiring. [Post edited 2 Aug 2024 11:44]
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| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 11:50 - Aug 2 with 1730 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 11:43 - Aug 2 by ReusersTown |
Name me 20 better tennis players than Murray? I'm not even particularly partial to Murray but you have to respect what he means to the sport. F1 is hardly even a sport is why with the most important element being the design team, and all the sycophantic drive to survive watchers is the most tiring. [Post edited 2 Aug 2024 11:44]
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39 men have won more grand slams than Murray. Another 18 have equalled him. |  |
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| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 11:54 - Aug 2 with 1708 views | Radlett_blue |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 11:43 - Aug 2 by ReusersTown |
Name me 20 better tennis players than Murray? I'm not even particularly partial to Murray but you have to respect what he means to the sport. F1 is hardly even a sport is why with the most important element being the design team, and all the sycophantic drive to survive watchers is the most tiring. [Post edited 2 Aug 2024 11:44]
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Murray is only the 4th best tennis payer of his generation.
While comparing different eras in a single sport is hard, trying to compare sportsmen from different sports is near impossible e.g. golf, motor racing, etc. And individual sportsmen versus team competitors? How do you fit, say, Steve Redgrave or Daley Thompson into this list, but they're both worth a shout. |  |
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| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 12:02 - Aug 2 with 1696 views | solemio |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 11:43 - Aug 2 by ReusersTown |
Name me 20 better tennis players than Murray? I'm not even particularly partial to Murray but you have to respect what he means to the sport. F1 is hardly even a sport is why with the most important element being the design team, and all the sycophantic drive to survive watchers is the most tiring. [Post edited 2 Aug 2024 11:44]
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Pancho Gonzales, Lew Hoad, Rod Laver, Maureen Connolly, Louise Brough, B-J King, Yvonne Goolagong/Cawley, John McEnroe, Andre Agassi, Jimmy Connors, Pete Sampras, Ivan Lendl,
Bjorn Borg, Steffi Graf, Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, John Newcombe, Boris Becker, Ken Rosewall, Serena & Venus Williams.
BUT none of these were British. | | | |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 13:00 - Aug 2 with 1611 views | BlueForYou |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 00:02 - Aug 2 by BlueForYou |
Three Majors, two Olympic Golds, & a Davis Cup. That’s a very special career. We may never see another British player like it. He really toughened himself up from young frailties & set an amazing example to everyone. Had to compete against Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, all in their prime. Wonder what he’ll do next? |
Also reached 11 Major finals! | | | |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 14:48 - Aug 2 with 1557 views | Radlett_blue |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 13:00 - Aug 2 by BlueForYou |
Also reached 11 Major finals! |
Well, that's the thing. Most top tennis players are now grinders, as was Murray. But if a grinder meets a slightly better grinder, the latter will probably win 2/3 of their matches, as Djokjovic did versus Murray (career 25:11). | |
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| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 22:00 - Aug 2 with 1423 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 11:54 - Aug 2 by Radlett_blue |
Murray is only the 4th best tennis payer of his generation.
While comparing different eras in a single sport is hard, trying to compare sportsmen from different sports is near impossible e.g. golf, motor racing, etc. And individual sportsmen versus team competitors? How do you fit, say, Steve Redgrave or Daley Thompson into this list, but they're both worth a shout. |
This is the crux. How do you compare across generations and across sports? There is a general increase in sports science and athleticism so modern athletes are generally more athletic. But then Murray's body and athleticism are partly what has held him back.
Were Daley Thompson, Ian Botham, James Anderson, Graeme Hick, Ryan Giggs, George Best, James Hunt, Mo Farah, Nick Faldo, and probably many more any less athletic than Andy Murray? I would argue all were far more successful. | |
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| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 22:07 - Aug 2 with 1413 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 22:00 - Aug 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
This is the crux. How do you compare across generations and across sports? There is a general increase in sports science and athleticism so modern athletes are generally more athletic. But then Murray's body and athleticism are partly what has held him back.
Were Daley Thompson, Ian Botham, James Anderson, Graeme Hick, Ryan Giggs, George Best, James Hunt, Mo Farah, Nick Faldo, and probably many more any less athletic than Andy Murray? I would argue all were far more successful. |
Adding Graham Hick, the most famous flat track bully in history, is just trolling! | | | |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 22:10 - Aug 2 with 1403 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 22:07 - Aug 2 by redrickstuhaart |
Adding Graham Hick, the most famous flat track bully in history, is just trolling! |
Yeah, I'll give you that but raise you Stuart Broad, Andrew Flintoff and Ben Stokes. | |
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| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 22:41 - Aug 2 with 1368 views | Radlett_blue |
| Bionic man Andy Murray retires on 22:07 - Aug 2 by redrickstuhaart |
Adding Graham Hick, the most famous flat track bully in history, is just trolling! |
Plus the fact that Hick was Zimbabwean & only qualified to play cricket for England through residency. | |
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