| EV charging in France 17:49 - Aug 9 with 3685 views | BlueNomad |
Costs half the price that it does in the UK and is quicker. We are really ripped off in this country; a Brexit bonus? [Post edited 9 Aug 2024 17:50]
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| EV charging in France on 17:59 - Aug 9 with 3613 views | NedPlimpton |
Probably helps that the energy company is state-owned |  | | |
| EV charging in France on 18:15 - Aug 9 with 3565 views | HatStand |
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| EV charging in France on 19:11 - Aug 9 with 3469 views | ronnyd |
Been like that for years. | | | |
| EV charging in France on 19:38 - Aug 9 with 3413 views | Rimsy |
Got nothing to do with brexit. France had the insight to invest heavily in nuclear. While we've been messing around with inefficient renewables, France is self sufficient with cheap electricity. |  |
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| EV charging in France on 20:48 - Aug 9 with 3294 views | Kievthegreat |
| EV charging in France on 19:38 - Aug 9 by Rimsy |
Got nothing to do with brexit. France had the insight to invest heavily in nuclear. While we've been messing around with inefficient renewables, France is self sufficient with cheap electricity. |
The issue is over reliance on gas which has spiked massively in recent years. If we'd properly invested in renewables (with a sensible amount of nuclear too) we could be in the same or better scenario than France.
The problem is the Conservative mismanagement of the country and their short sighted energy policy. |  | | |
| EV charging in France on 22:03 - Aug 9 with 3206 views | Freddies_Ears |
I met with a friend in mid-Germany on my way back from last weekend's games. His neighbour has a 15 mile each way commute, and uses little power at home. He charges his electric car each night from stored battery energy from his solar panels...
All the UK pricing how electric cars measure up is based on home charging. I have always suspected that motorway high-speed charging is as much a rip-off - or worse - than motorway petrol prices. | | | |
| EV charging in France on 22:08 - Aug 9 with 3157 views | Kievthegreat |
| EV charging in France on 22:03 - Aug 9 by Freddies_Ears |
I met with a friend in mid-Germany on my way back from last weekend's games. His neighbour has a 15 mile each way commute, and uses little power at home. He charges his electric car each night from stored battery energy from his solar panels...
All the UK pricing how electric cars measure up is based on home charging. I have always suspected that motorway high-speed charging is as much a rip-off - or worse - than motorway petrol prices. |
Motorway charging is anywhere between 2-4 times more expensive than a standard home charging rate (so I'm not even counting things like off-peak charging).
It's equivalent to a motorway services charging £5+ per litre. It's a massive rip off. However the vast majority of journeys can be made without them though so definitely still works out a lower cost for most journeys, especially commutes. | | | |
| EV charging in France on 22:44 - Aug 9 with 3123 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
I heard their chargers are on strike. | | | |
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| EV charging in France on 23:16 - Aug 9 with 3072 views | Freddies_Ears |
| EV charging in France on 22:08 - Aug 9 by Kievthegreat |
Motorway charging is anywhere between 2-4 times more expensive than a standard home charging rate (so I'm not even counting things like off-peak charging).
It's equivalent to a motorway services charging £5+ per litre. It's a massive rip off. However the vast majority of journeys can be made without them though so definitely still works out a lower cost for most journeys, especially commutes. |
Cheers, that's really helpful! Half my 28000 annual mileage is trips of 500 miles or more, UK and non-UK, so until away-from-home charging drops in price considerably, I'd be mad to go electric. (I get an average of 50 mpg of unleaded, so petrol cost really isn't that high) | | | |
| EV charging in France on 23:51 - Aug 9 with 3025 views | Kievthegreat |
| EV charging in France on 23:16 - Aug 9 by Freddies_Ears |
Cheers, that's really helpful! Half my 28000 annual mileage is trips of 500 miles or more, UK and non-UK, so until away-from-home charging drops in price considerably, I'd be mad to go electric. (I get an average of 50 mpg of unleaded, so petrol cost really isn't that high) |
500 mile trips are probably the worst use case really because of public charging networks high prices. Some do offer preferential rates for small monthly fees which might make some sense for such use cases, but I think I don't think it's much of a discount.
An EV charged at home could do 250 miles for less than £20 on a basic tariff or as little as £6 on a specific EV tariff with overnight rates. However on a motorway, you'd be looking at probably £60 for that same 250 miles. | | | |
| EV charging in France on 12:33 - Aug 10 with 2773 views | factual_blue |
'Brexit bonus' = oxymoron. |  |
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| EV charging in France on 12:40 - Aug 10 with 2757 views | NedPlimpton |
| EV charging in France on 23:51 - Aug 9 by Kievthegreat |
500 mile trips are probably the worst use case really because of public charging networks high prices. Some do offer preferential rates for small monthly fees which might make some sense for such use cases, but I think I don't think it's much of a discount.
An EV charged at home could do 250 miles for less than £20 on a basic tariff or as little as £6 on a specific EV tariff with overnight rates. However on a motorway, you'd be looking at probably £60 for that same 250 miles. |
250 miles charge for £20 at home?? That surely can't be right
I almost get that out of my 5 year old diesel
I'm very pro EV (when a new car is actually needed and not just for the sake of having a new car) but that sounds way more expensive than I thought | | | |
| EV charging in France on 12:44 - Aug 10 with 2749 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| EV charging in France on 22:08 - Aug 9 by Kievthegreat |
Motorway charging is anywhere between 2-4 times more expensive than a standard home charging rate (so I'm not even counting things like off-peak charging).
It's equivalent to a motorway services charging £5+ per litre. It's a massive rip off. However the vast majority of journeys can be made without them though so definitely still works out a lower cost for most journeys, especially commutes. |
It's a bit chicken and egg. It's a hugely expensive infrastructure to install, and most people charge at home, except on very long journeys when absolutely necessary.
So it will always be very expensive, because of the high capital costs, which means people will charge at home, except on very long journeys when absolutely necessary...
The only ways out of that cycle are either much heavier state subsidy of the private companies installing the infrastructure (with contractual obligations re price per KwH for end users) or state ownership of the infrastructure. | | | |
| EV charging in France on 14:16 - Aug 10 with 2649 views | Kievthegreat |
| EV charging in France on 12:40 - Aug 10 by NedPlimpton |
250 miles charge for £20 at home?? That surely can't be right
I almost get that out of my 5 year old diesel
I'm very pro EV (when a new car is actually needed and not just for the sake of having a new car) but that sounds way more expensive than I thought |
Well like anything it depends on the car, some are better than others. £20 assumes 24p per kWh electricity and only 3 miles per kWh. You can get more than 4 on some more efficient EVs.
Plus like I said, you'd be best served getting an EV tariff with off peak overnight charging at about 9p per kWh.
Also what's your maths on doing that in a diesel? Using £1.50 for diesel (used England average price), that equates to nearly 90 mpg!?! | | | |
| EV charging in France on 14:52 - Aug 10 with 2615 views | ElephantintheRoom |
On the plus side petrol is much cheaper in the UK and virtually all road users use petrol or diesel. As electric cars are middle class hobby cars in the UK there is no real hurry. To bend the knee to middle class poseurs who use their proper car for log journeys. | |
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| EV charging in France on 15:05 - Aug 10 with 2587 views | Meadowlark |
| EV charging in France on 19:38 - Aug 9 by Rimsy |
Got nothing to do with brexit. France had the insight to invest heavily in nuclear. While we've been messing around with inefficient renewables, France is self sufficient with cheap electricity. |
Truth is we've thrown billions at useless, expensive, slow nuclear when we should have been investing in fast efficient renewables.
Let's hope the new government sees sense and cancels Sizewell C before we as taxpayers in the UK subsidise the French to an even greater extent. |  | | |
| EV charging in France on 15:47 - Aug 10 with 2524 views | NedPlimpton |
| EV charging in France on 14:16 - Aug 10 by Kievthegreat |
Well like anything it depends on the car, some are better than others. £20 assumes 24p per kWh electricity and only 3 miles per kWh. You can get more than 4 on some more efficient EVs.
Plus like I said, you'd be best served getting an EV tariff with off peak overnight charging at about 9p per kWh.
Also what's your maths on doing that in a diesel? Using £1.50 for diesel (used England average price), that equates to nearly 90 mpg!?! |
I might have got carried away but I do get over 60mpg | | | |
| EV charging in France on 17:06 - Aug 10 with 2399 views | Freddies_Ears |
| EV charging in France on 23:51 - Aug 9 by Kievthegreat |
500 mile trips are probably the worst use case really because of public charging networks high prices. Some do offer preferential rates for small monthly fees which might make some sense for such use cases, but I think I don't think it's much of a discount.
An EV charged at home could do 250 miles for less than £20 on a basic tariff or as little as £6 on a specific EV tariff with overnight rates. However on a motorway, you'd be looking at probably £60 for that same 250 miles. |
Oh! So, 250 miles home charged could be as little as £6 best case (which is impressive); the next 250 would gave to be charged away from home at perhaps £60, so 500 miles = £66. Petrol cost @ £1.40 per litre = £6.30 per gallon; 500 miles @ 50 mpg = 10 gallons = £63. So, close enough to make little odds.
I didn't expect that! | | | |
| EV charging in France on 21:05 - Aug 10 with 2294 views | benrhyddingblue |
| EV charging in France on 19:38 - Aug 9 by Rimsy |
Got nothing to do with brexit. France had the insight to invest heavily in nuclear. While we've been messing around with inefficient renewables, France is self sufficient with cheap electricity. |
If you’re going to comment on something at least try and show you have some knowledge of the topic, rather this ill informed nonsense. | | | |
| EV charging in France on 09:24 - Aug 11 with 2163 views | Rimsy |
| EV charging in France on 21:05 - Aug 10 by benrhyddingblue |
If you’re going to comment on something at least try and show you have some knowledge of the topic, rather this ill informed nonsense. |
You know, you can debate things on a forum without resorting to insults at the earliest opportunity. If all you are going to do is have a go, rather than discuss then don't bother commenting. | |
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| EV charging in France on 10:07 - Aug 11 with 2096 views | Crawfordsboot |
| EV charging in France on 14:52 - Aug 10 by ElephantintheRoom |
On the plus side petrol is much cheaper in the UK and virtually all road users use petrol or diesel. As electric cars are middle class hobby cars in the UK there is no real hurry. To bend the knee to middle class poseurs who use their proper car for log journeys. |
Wow you do have a chip!
We have solar on one of the original high paying contracts so we receive a net income for our electricity. That’s after charging two electric cars at home. In three years my wife has never used a public charger for her Renault Zoe. I have used one a few times on my KIA, mainly on a long trip to the Kintyre peninsular. If you have solar, electric cars are a no brainier! |  | | |
| EV charging in France on 11:04 - Aug 11 with 2034 views | BloomBlue |
The entire EV situation in Europe is causing companies and governments financial worries, Gov's will need the money from charging to offset the lost of car manufacturing. All EVs within 10 years will come from China.
The cost of charging will be taxed heavily as will per mile driving
Italy is already trying to flog their car manufacturers to companies in China. Most legacy non Chinese manufacturers are heading towards bankruptcy within their Chinese subsidiaries, and if they lose that market they're as good as dead in the rest of the world. The VW grp are selling EVs at massive reduced prices, Audi recently were selling new cars in China at 40-50% off, they claimed those were only to people who work for Audi in China. But 40% off? They're either ripping off European customers or having to sell each car at massive lost just to keep workers employed- not sustainable
Battery production is so far advanced in China and cost enormously cheaper that trying to start battery production in any other country is becoming impossible. The only chance of preventing Chinese dominance in EVs is if India decides it wants to get into the EV market. |  | | |
| EV charging in France on 11:15 - Aug 11 with 2006 views | NedPlimpton |
| EV charging in France on 11:04 - Aug 11 by BloomBlue |
The entire EV situation in Europe is causing companies and governments financial worries, Gov's will need the money from charging to offset the lost of car manufacturing. All EVs within 10 years will come from China.
The cost of charging will be taxed heavily as will per mile driving
Italy is already trying to flog their car manufacturers to companies in China. Most legacy non Chinese manufacturers are heading towards bankruptcy within their Chinese subsidiaries, and if they lose that market they're as good as dead in the rest of the world. The VW grp are selling EVs at massive reduced prices, Audi recently were selling new cars in China at 40-50% off, they claimed those were only to people who work for Audi in China. But 40% off? They're either ripping off European customers or having to sell each car at massive lost just to keep workers employed- not sustainable
Battery production is so far advanced in China and cost enormously cheaper that trying to start battery production in any other country is becoming impossible. The only chance of preventing Chinese dominance in EVs is if India decides it wants to get into the EV market. |
Being charged per mile was just Tory propaganda for the London mayoral elections. It would be political suicide to introduce a charge per mile any time soon | | | |
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