| Despicable conduct by Biden 09:36 - Dec 2 with 3784 views | redrickstuhaart |
Pardoning his son. Normalising corrupt behaviour and undermining the concept of integrity in public office.
Utterly hypocritical of Trump to criticise it, of course. But that doesnt make the criticism wrong. |  | | |  |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 09:38 - Dec 2 with 2713 views | itfcjoe |
The US system is so wrong that it allows this |  |
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| Despicable conduct by Biden on 09:50 - Dec 2 with 2645 views | ElderGrizzly |
I'm more disappointed Biden hasn't done more with the Presidential Immunity Trump lobbied the Supreme Court so much for.
Maybe in the next few weeks he will... |  | | |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 09:51 - Dec 2 with 2656 views | Guthrum |
I can see his point, in that it is a politically motivated, disproportionate and unusual pursuit for what would normally be a relatively minor offence, with no aggravating factors.
But, given Joe Biden previously declared he wouldn't do such a thing and the obvious nepotism issue, it is disappointing.
Also, integrity in public office is gone from the USA for a while and no amount of good examples will change anything. |  |
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| Despicable conduct by Biden on 09:53 - Dec 2 with 2619 views | DanTheMan |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 09:51 - Dec 2 by Guthrum |
I can see his point, in that it is a politically motivated, disproportionate and unusual pursuit for what would normally be a relatively minor offence, with no aggravating factors.
But, given Joe Biden previously declared he wouldn't do such a thing and the obvious nepotism issue, it is disappointing.
Also, integrity in public office is gone from the USA for a while and no amount of good examples will change anything. |
Agreed, he shouldn't have done it.
The fact he's allowed to is bonkers. |  |
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| Despicable conduct by Biden on 09:55 - Dec 2 with 2596 views | Guthrum |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 09:38 - Dec 2 by itfcjoe |
The US system is so wrong that it allows this |
Just wait until Trump pardons himself. | |
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| Despicable conduct by Biden on 09:58 - Dec 2 with 2576 views | Help |
Two wrongs don't make a right. But in the good old US of A who cares. Unfortunately it is them or china to rule the world. Which one do you want. Each corrupt in its own way. |  |
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| Despicable conduct by Biden on 09:58 - Dec 2 with 2573 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 09:55 - Dec 2 by Guthrum |
Just wait until Trump pardons himself. |
He has of course already pardoned some of his previous cabinet and advisors and now his future to be ambassadors.
Doesn’t make what Biden has done ethically correct, but you can see why he’s done it. As an Ipswich analogy, it feels like when we wished we had people who could do those ‘dark arts’ and sh!thousing other clubs always had. Then we got Morsy :) | | | |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 10:00 - Dec 2 with 2561 views | Blueschev |
The Democrats are awful for the most part, Trump and the Republicans being worse doesn't change this. |  | | |
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| Despicable conduct by Biden on 10:02 - Dec 2 with 2549 views | PhilTWTD |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 09:51 - Dec 2 by Guthrum |
I can see his point, in that it is a politically motivated, disproportionate and unusual pursuit for what would normally be a relatively minor offence, with no aggravating factors.
But, given Joe Biden previously declared he wouldn't do such a thing and the obvious nepotism issue, it is disappointing.
Also, integrity in public office is gone from the USA for a while and no amount of good examples will change anything. |
Indeed, my view exactly. It was clearly politically motivated but he loses credibility for criticising Trump for similar actions with his supporters. His party needs to show integrity through the years to come. |  | | |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 10:03 - Dec 2 with 2538 views | DarkBrandon |
I thought this summed it up quite well.
I don't love it either, but I'm not sure how you tell a man that he should let his only surviving son rot in prison to respect norms, institutions, and the rule of law, when the country you devoted your life to serving just pretty comprehensively voted they don't give a shit about any of that. — Dmitry Grozoubinski (@explaintrade.com) 2024-12-02T08:18:14.933Z
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I don't love it either, but I'm not sure how you tell a man that he should let his only surviving son rot in prison to respect norms, institutions, and the rule of law, when the country you devoted your life to serving just pretty comprehensively voted they don't give a sh.t about any of that. [Post edited 2 Dec 2024 10:06]
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| Despicable conduct by Biden on 10:12 - Dec 2 with 2447 views | NthQldITFC |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 09:58 - Dec 2 by ElderGrizzly |
He has of course already pardoned some of his previous cabinet and advisors and now his future to be ambassadors.
Doesn’t make what Biden has done ethically correct, but you can see why he’s done it. As an Ipswich analogy, it feels like when we wished we had people who could do those ‘dark arts’ and sh!thousing other clubs always had. Then we got Morsy :) |
I don't think there's any excuse or justification for the pardon, primarily because the value of NOT going down that route is so high in setting an example, as futile as that may seem.
It allows Trump et al to justify further ratcheting down of the system. If it was a demonstrable miscarriage of justice, fair enough, but this is just corruption-lite. |  |
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| Despicable conduct by Biden on 10:18 - Dec 2 with 2406 views | durhamj |
It's certainly disappointing, but not overly surprising.
The moral high ground has shrunk somewhat, but the issue will be overshadowed when no doubt Trump pardons all those convicted over the insurrection a few year back. | | | |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 10:19 - Dec 2 with 2396 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 10:12 - Dec 2 by NthQldITFC |
I don't think there's any excuse or justification for the pardon, primarily because the value of NOT going down that route is so high in setting an example, as futile as that may seem.
It allows Trump et al to justify further ratcheting down of the system. If it was a demonstrable miscarriage of justice, fair enough, but this is just corruption-lite. |
I think he's just resigned to Trump doing exactly the same in January (again). Trump has already said those jailed for Jan 6th will be pardoned.
All Presidents use the pardon system, Trump is one of the biggest abusers of it. Bannon, Stone, Di Souza, Kushner etc.
As Dark Brandon says above, why let your surviving son rot in jail off the back of what was a politically motivated investigation when you literally have the power to make it go away. Yes, you lose some credibility, but given how the US appears to be heading, I assume he thought "feck it!" | | | |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 10:22 - Dec 2 with 2369 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 10:12 - Dec 2 by NthQldITFC |
I don't think there's any excuse or justification for the pardon, primarily because the value of NOT going down that route is so high in setting an example, as futile as that may seem.
It allows Trump et al to justify further ratcheting down of the system. If it was a demonstrable miscarriage of justice, fair enough, but this is just corruption-lite. |
Indeed. I dont buy the witch hunt argument. Its 1.4m dollars of tax evasion. That is not minor or political. [Post edited 2 Dec 2024 10:27]
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| Despicable conduct by Biden on 10:27 - Dec 2 with 2317 views | BloomBlue |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 09:58 - Dec 2 by ElderGrizzly |
He has of course already pardoned some of his previous cabinet and advisors and now his future to be ambassadors.
Doesn’t make what Biden has done ethically correct, but you can see why he’s done it. As an Ipswich analogy, it feels like when we wished we had people who could do those ‘dark arts’ and sh!thousing other clubs always had. Then we got Morsy :) |
Although Jared's father had spent his time in prison as a result of his crime, Trump expunged the crime from his criminal record. Biden has pardoned Hunter before a criminal court can even sentence him. |  | | |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 10:28 - Dec 2 with 2295 views | itfcjoe |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 10:19 - Dec 2 by ElderGrizzly |
I think he's just resigned to Trump doing exactly the same in January (again). Trump has already said those jailed for Jan 6th will be pardoned.
All Presidents use the pardon system, Trump is one of the biggest abusers of it. Bannon, Stone, Di Souza, Kushner etc.
As Dark Brandon says above, why let your surviving son rot in jail off the back of what was a politically motivated investigation when you literally have the power to make it go away. Yes, you lose some credibility, but given how the US appears to be heading, I assume he thought "feck it!" |
People can try and justify it whichever way they want, but this makes everything 100x harder for the Dems going forwards, especially when Biden had said he wouldn't.
But then this is the Democrat party that were happy to lie and cover up Biden's unfitness for office for way too long so we shouldn't be surprised - but it absolutely stinks and is totally inexcusable. | |
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| Despicable conduct by Biden on 10:33 - Dec 2 with 2270 views | NthQldITFC |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 10:19 - Dec 2 by ElderGrizzly |
I think he's just resigned to Trump doing exactly the same in January (again). Trump has already said those jailed for Jan 6th will be pardoned.
All Presidents use the pardon system, Trump is one of the biggest abusers of it. Bannon, Stone, Di Souza, Kushner etc.
As Dark Brandon says above, why let your surviving son rot in jail off the back of what was a politically motivated investigation when you literally have the power to make it go away. Yes, you lose some credibility, but given how the US appears to be heading, I assume he thought "feck it!" |
Understandable and I admit I don't know the ins-and-outs of the case, but if there's guilt there, irrespective of whether the investigation was politically motivated, that has to be the defining factor so long as the sentencing is proportionate.
I don't like the fact that we seem to think about personal credibility or lack thereof, when the infinitely more important issue of the rapid erosion of a lawful and civil society is at stake. | |
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| Despicable conduct by Biden on 10:58 - Dec 2 with 2105 views | chicoazul |
Looking forward to the reaction from the TWTD US political obsessive when all the Jan 6th people get pardoned. |  |
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| Despicable conduct by Biden on 11:11 - Dec 2 with 2016 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 10:58 - Dec 2 by chicoazul |
Looking forward to the reaction from the TWTD US political obsessive when all the Jan 6th people get pardoned. |
Literally mentioned it above already. Trump is just open about his abuse of the system and has already said they'll be pardoned.
Biden just appeared to play by the 'rules' until now. | | | |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 11:13 - Dec 2 with 1995 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 10:22 - Dec 2 by redrickstuhaart |
Indeed. I dont buy the witch hunt argument. Its 1.4m dollars of tax evasion. That is not minor or political. [Post edited 2 Dec 2024 10:27]
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1.4m?
Trump is/was up for 300x that and that has been expunged because he has won election.
Trump has also pardoned people who have been liable for much higher amounts (Di Souza as an example)
It's not right, but it will be child's play compared to what Trump will do and has already done. | | | |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 11:15 - Dec 2 with 1982 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 11:13 - Dec 2 by ElderGrizzly |
1.4m?
Trump is/was up for 300x that and that has been expunged because he has won election.
Trump has also pardoned people who have been liable for much higher amounts (Di Souza as an example)
It's not right, but it will be child's play compared to what Trump will do and has already done. |
So what?
The point is that you cannot write off tax evasion of that nature as a politically motivated witch hunt. | | | |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 11:15 - Dec 2 with 1977 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 10:28 - Dec 2 by itfcjoe |
People can try and justify it whichever way they want, but this makes everything 100x harder for the Dems going forwards, especially when Biden had said he wouldn't.
But then this is the Democrat party that were happy to lie and cover up Biden's unfitness for office for way too long so we shouldn't be surprised - but it absolutely stinks and is totally inexcusable. |
Based on ethics, yes it is inexcusable.
But if you think this stinks and is inexcusable, the next 4 years are going to be fun. Hell, Day 1 is going to be 100x the corruption and 'stink level' of this.
Biden has just made Trump's future actions appear more normal which helps no-one. | | | |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 11:17 - Dec 2 with 1972 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 11:15 - Dec 2 by redrickstuhaart |
So what?
The point is that you cannot write off tax evasion of that nature as a politically motivated witch hunt. |
The tax evasion element isn't the 'witch-hunt'.
It was the other elements which would not normally see a private citizen hauled through House and Senate hearings by the GOP. | | | |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 11:22 - Dec 2 with 1942 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 11:17 - Dec 2 by ElderGrizzly |
The tax evasion element isn't the 'witch-hunt'.
It was the other elements which would not normally see a private citizen hauled through House and Senate hearings by the GOP. |
Then the alleged witch hunt is no excuse for a pardon. | | | |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 11:27 - Dec 2 with 1908 views | itfcjoe |
| Despicable conduct by Biden on 11:15 - Dec 2 by ElderGrizzly |
Based on ethics, yes it is inexcusable.
But if you think this stinks and is inexcusable, the next 4 years are going to be fun. Hell, Day 1 is going to be 100x the corruption and 'stink level' of this.
Biden has just made Trump's future actions appear more normal which helps no-one. |
But I think what Trump has done and will do is already inexcusable - but it's a slippery slope to say well he's done worse etc | |
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