| A few things . . . 09:30 - Jan 6 with 2587 views | bsw72 |
. . . that have really irked me after yesterday's game and then watching the highlights / reading the interviews.
Harry Wilson's reaction towards the referee after he failed to initially award the first penalty was frankly shocking - and I get football is an emotional game but it looked to me he effectivelty called the referee a cheat to his face, with no consequence.
Secondly the comment by Marco Silva about he rates how Raul Jiminez and "the way he won fouls" sticks in the throat a bit. Surely it's about winning challenges and making it difficult for defenders but to praise someone for how they win fouls does not sit right.
Finally, yesterday's referee was not great - Davis probably should have seen red (we would be fuming if it was against us), how did he miss the Morsy touch for the penalty and then allowed the reaction by Wilson; then the way that he seemed to dish out cards for the more innocuous challenges for Town players, presumably to appease the Fulham fans following the mistake on the red. |  | | |  |
| A few things . . . on 09:34 - Jan 6 with 2505 views | gringoblue |
I don't know how Lukic didn't get booked. He must have committed half a dozen little pull backs and trips as we were breaking. |  | | |
| A few things . . . on 09:38 - Jan 6 with 2443 views | JammyDodgerrr |
Davis was not a red. Wilson was 40 yards out, and Greaves was already getting to the ball. Never a red. |  |
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| A few things . . . on 09:42 - Jan 6 with 2401 views | bsw72 |
| A few things . . . on 09:38 - Jan 6 by JammyDodgerrr |
Davis was not a red. Wilson was 40 yards out, and Greaves was already getting to the ball. Never a red. |
It only looks like the covering defender will get there *after* the foul, with Wilson moving at the speed he was at without being caught and the direction of the ball, I doubt the defender would have got there. | | | |
| A few things . . . on 09:55 - Jan 6 with 2269 views | Linners |
| A few things . . . on 09:42 - Jan 6 by bsw72 |
It only looks like the covering defender will get there *after* the foul, with Wilson moving at the speed he was at without being caught and the direction of the ball, I doubt the defender would have got there. |
For me it's all about Wilson's touch. If he plays it straight ahead then it's a red card, but as he pushes it more inside he brings our other defenders (and therefore doubt) into play. We still got lucky though.
Strongly agree about Wilson calling the referee a cheat. That wasn't a great look for anyone. |  | | |
| A few things . . . on 09:57 - Jan 6 with 2224 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
If you see the Morsy one from the wrong angle, it can easily look like he didnt touch him. |  |
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| A few things . . . on 10:00 - Jan 6 with 2188 views | tazdac |
I don't know how he could book Morsy for the pen if he didn't see it, as he's only booked him after seeing the VAR. But VAR can't be used for yellows? |  | | |
| A few things . . . on 10:00 - Jan 6 with 2185 views | EastTownBlue |
| A few things . . . on 09:38 - Jan 6 by JammyDodgerrr |
Davis was not a red. Wilson was 40 yards out, and Greaves was already getting to the ball. Never a red. |
O'Shea was the closest defender not Greaves.
An Arsenal player got a red card further out than that this season. Personally I don't believe the O'Shea would have been in a position to intercept but these are subjective opinions which is probably why VAR didn't get involved. I don't think that VAR would have got involved either if the onfield decision was a red card. | | | |
| A few things . . . on 10:08 - Jan 6 with 2048 views | Stenvict |
| A few things . . . on 09:34 - Jan 6 by gringoblue |
I don't know how Lukic didn't get booked. He must have committed half a dozen little pull backs and trips as we were breaking. |
He had committed 4 fouls by half time. He then committed a 5th early in the 2nd half. The 5th foul should've been a yellow on it's own, never mind for persistent fouling. | |
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| A few things . . . on 10:10 - Jan 6 with 2031 views | artsbossbeard |
My lip reading skills allowed me to confirm that Wilson called the ref a "f**king s*1thouse" after giving Davis a yellow and not a red and in earshot. |  |
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| A few things . . . on 10:12 - Jan 6 with 1984 views | SitfcB |
| A few things . . . on 10:00 - Jan 6 by EastTownBlue |
O'Shea was the closest defender not Greaves.
An Arsenal player got a red card further out than that this season. Personally I don't believe the O'Shea would have been in a position to intercept but these are subjective opinions which is probably why VAR didn't get involved. I don't think that VAR would have got involved either if the onfield decision was a red card. |
VAR did get involved and said it wasn’t a red card.
Because it wasn’t a red card. Watching it live it didn’t even seem questionable. |  |
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| A few things . . . on 10:21 - Jan 6 with 1867 views | tonybied |
| A few things . . . on 10:00 - Jan 6 by tazdac |
I don't know how he could book Morsy for the pen if he didn't see it, as he's only booked him after seeing the VAR. But VAR can't be used for yellows? |
VAR can't be used to refer the ref to review a yellow card. It was used to refer a foul in the box not for the yellow card. The ref then deemed it was a penalty and he then decided it worthy of a yellow card. VAR was not used incorrectly here.
I thought VAR worked well in yesterday's match, just the ref has an absolute stinker of a match. |  | | |
| A few things . . . on 10:23 - Jan 6 with 1809 views | Garv |
| A few things . . . on 09:34 - Jan 6 by gringoblue |
I don't know how Lukic didn't get booked. He must have committed half a dozen little pull backs and trips as we were breaking. |
Depends if you want to see it but our players could have been better at pointing this out to the referee. Broadhead started to and was clearly frustrated as he knew it was the same player every time, but we stopped complaining. |  |
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| A few things . . . on 10:31 - Jan 6 with 1670 views | Jon_456 |
| A few things . . . on 10:12 - Jan 6 by SitfcB |
VAR did get involved and said it wasn’t a red card.
Because it wasn’t a red card. Watching it live it didn’t even seem questionable. |
It was obviously checked but I think the poster meant VAR didn’t ask the ref to go to the monitor because it wasn’t a clear enough error. Likewise if the ref had have given Davis a red, they probably wouldn’t have overturned that either. | | | |
| A few things . . . on 11:14 - Jan 6 with 1443 views | Basuco |
| A few things . . . on 10:00 - Jan 6 by EastTownBlue |
O'Shea was the closest defender not Greaves.
An Arsenal player got a red card further out than that this season. Personally I don't believe the O'Shea would have been in a position to intercept but these are subjective opinions which is probably why VAR didn't get involved. I don't think that VAR would have got involved either if the onfield decision was a red card. |
I think O'Shea was close enough to make a challenge on Wilson as he is fully left footed so all O'Shea had to do was channel him to his right and he would not have been able to get a shot away with his right foot. The Arsenal players were nowhere near Wilson when their player was sent off. Also Wilson was diving to ground all game with little interest in staying on his feet and hounding the ref continuously, as a serial diver he will inevitably not get a few decisions go his way.
As a side issue, it made no sense Wilson going to ground so easily as he gave up a chance to go one on one with Christian Walton. He obviously did not have the confidence in himself to score or he felt O'Shea would get across to him, he decided to go for a freekick around 40 - 45 metres from goal. |  | | |
| A few things . . . on 11:18 - Jan 6 with 1380 views | soupytwist |
| A few things . . . on 09:57 - Jan 6 by Marshalls_Mullet |
If you see the Morsy one from the wrong angle, it can easily look like he didnt touch him. |
Especially as Wilson's back leg hits his front leg and that's what makes him go down.
His legs probably came into contact as a direct result of Morsy's touch but if you only saw the former and not the latter from your viewpoint, no penalty is an understandable decision. |  | | |
| A few things . . . on 11:21 - Jan 6 with 1355 views | bsw72 |
| A few things . . . on 10:21 - Jan 6 by tonybied |
VAR can't be used to refer the ref to review a yellow card. It was used to refer a foul in the box not for the yellow card. The ref then deemed it was a penalty and he then decided it worthy of a yellow card. VAR was not used incorrectly here.
I thought VAR worked well in yesterday's match, just the ref has an absolute stinker of a match. |
Agree on that - VAR actually did it's job yesterday, correcting clear/obvious errors. I don't consider the Davis yellow/red clear and obvious, it is subjective - I just think we got lucky and we would have been fuming today if that had been the other way round . . .
Having said that - with a red card Davis would not have been on the pitch to give away the last minute penalty so we would have obviously won 2-1 . . .  | | | |
| A few things . . . on 11:21 - Jan 6 with 1353 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| A few things . . . on 10:00 - Jan 6 by EastTownBlue |
O'Shea was the closest defender not Greaves.
An Arsenal player got a red card further out than that this season. Personally I don't believe the O'Shea would have been in a position to intercept but these are subjective opinions which is probably why VAR didn't get involved. I don't think that VAR would have got involved either if the onfield decision was a red card. |
Sorry, my mistake.
I do think the touch from Wilson makes it very easy to intercept. He also plays such a heavy touch to draw in Davis, of course. | |
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| A few things . . . on 11:23 - Jan 6 with 1315 views | Basuco |
| A few things . . . on 09:55 - Jan 6 by Linners |
For me it's all about Wilson's touch. If he plays it straight ahead then it's a red card, but as he pushes it more inside he brings our other defenders (and therefore doubt) into play. We still got lucky though.
Strongly agree about Wilson calling the referee a cheat. That wasn't a great look for anyone. |
Agree, he was running towards O'Shea because he had to keep the ball on his left foot to have any chance of getting a shot at goal. | | | |
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