| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season 20:35 - Jan 5 with 1832 views | Matt_Netherlands |
We’ve had a few big late goals go for us, but definitely more against in and around 90 minutes. Got to think how much healthier the table could look right now. Is it a mentality thing or a fitness thing? My guess is a little bit of both.
Today (-2)
Wolves (+2)
Leicester (-2)
Bournemouth (-3)
Brentford (-1)
Southampton (+1)
In brackets is the points we’ve won or lost from 87 mins onwards this season. All of these were injury time apart from Bournemouth. |  | | |  |
| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 20:36 - Jan 5 with 1797 views | LeoMuff |
Think we have run our socks off, lots of players looking very leggy towards the end of games. |  |
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| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 20:44 - Jan 5 with 1735 views | tractorshark |
I think it’s down to strength on the bench and the physical demands of the prem.
We compete well for 80 minutes but if you haven’t got a strong bench, as we didn’t today, there’s always a drop off as players are replaced or tire.
Compare today’s bench to the one we had against Chelsea, it’s chalk and cheese.
Hopefully that will be resolved this month. Undoubtedly the biggest issue is when Delap comes off. Al Hamadi is a passenger at this level, which may sound harsh but it’s very true. |  | | |
| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 20:48 - Jan 5 with 1705 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
It could be neither.
Goals get scored throughout games, just cos some are scored late, it doesnt mean its down to a weakness.
At 87 mins, there is often 10+ mins left including time added on. |  |
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| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 20:57 - Jan 5 with 1672 views | NeverSayDie |
Look at the teams we’ve gained against vs the rest.
On paper, we have the worst squad in the league and we are probably overachieving by being 3rd bottom, it’s not nice to hear, but it’s the reality of where the club is. Even at our best, we need to hope opposition teams are having a bad day/bad run to extract any points from a game. Whether it’s meeting the higher physical, technical, or mental challenges (decision making on and off the ball) presented, take your pick, we see different failings in a variety of areas, depending on the opposition.
That said, there are a few massively underperforming teams this season and there’s still hope of survival, though the Omari injury update is a major blow and it has made this transfer window even more crucial than it already was, if that’s even possible. We are almost completely reliant on Delap scoring goals, as nobody else is contributing in a meaningful way and in our formation the 9 isn’t even meant to be the goal scorer, rather the creator for the 10’s, so god knows what points we’d be on if he hadn’t worked out and god knows what we’ll end up on if he, god forbid, got an injury. |  | | |
| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 21:55 - Jan 5 with 1525 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I think it is a squad depth thing. The players we are tending to bring on are not at any better level than we were bringing on to close out games in the Championship. This is partly due to injuries in key positions.
It also doesn't help when we make mistakes late in games and maybe that is partly because some players are being kept on longer due to not having the same options to bring on.
If we can get the right signings and avoid the injuries we have had the first half of the season we can expect not to drop those points. That would be a healthy position we would be in. |  |
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| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 21:56 - Jan 5 with 1527 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 20:57 - Jan 5 by NeverSayDie |
Look at the teams we’ve gained against vs the rest.
On paper, we have the worst squad in the league and we are probably overachieving by being 3rd bottom, it’s not nice to hear, but it’s the reality of where the club is. Even at our best, we need to hope opposition teams are having a bad day/bad run to extract any points from a game. Whether it’s meeting the higher physical, technical, or mental challenges (decision making on and off the ball) presented, take your pick, we see different failings in a variety of areas, depending on the opposition.
That said, there are a few massively underperforming teams this season and there’s still hope of survival, though the Omari injury update is a major blow and it has made this transfer window even more crucial than it already was, if that’s even possible. We are almost completely reliant on Delap scoring goals, as nobody else is contributing in a meaningful way and in our formation the 9 isn’t even meant to be the goal scorer, rather the creator for the 10’s, so god knows what points we’d be on if he hadn’t worked out and god knows what we’ll end up on if he, god forbid, got an injury. |
Very negative way of looking at it. Here’s an alternative take.
Squad value - lowest in the league
Squad premier league experience - least in the league by a long shot
Squad spirit and togetherness - among the beat in the league. As those well known credit card adverts said - PRICELESS
We are greater than the sum of the parts, and that is not overachieving. At the end of the day teams that click well often win. | | | |
| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 22:08 - Jan 5 with 1458 views | _clive_baker_ |
| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 20:48 - Jan 5 by Marshalls_Mullet |
It could be neither.
Goals get scored throughout games, just cos some are scored late, it doesnt mean its down to a weakness.
At 87 mins, there is often 10+ mins left including time added on. |
And given we’ve lost 50% of our games and have a -15 GD I would guess there’s other periods of games where we also have a negative swing.
That’s not to say we’re not lacking depth off the bench though. We’ve had 1 #9 for pretty much the whole season so far. |  | | |
| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 22:12 - Jan 5 with 1430 views | bsw72 |
Why choose from 87 minutes, seems a bit arbitrary? Surely makes more sense to look at 70+ minutes which is around the time we tend to make changes to the team.
Ultimately we do not concede a significantly different number of goals in 80+ minutes compared to last season or other teams in the PL this season.
The difference is we are scoring less so whenever we concede it will have a bigger impact on the result, as it is more likely to cost us points.
We know we have less strength off the bench than most other clubs, but even considering this we are holding our own. It’s simply the nature of this division and the huge step up in standards. |  | | |
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| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 22:17 - Jan 5 with 1390 views | NeverSayDie |
| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 21:56 - Jan 5 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Very negative way of looking at it. Here’s an alternative take.
Squad value - lowest in the league
Squad premier league experience - least in the league by a long shot
Squad spirit and togetherness - among the beat in the league. As those well known credit card adverts said - PRICELESS
We are greater than the sum of the parts, and that is not overachieving. At the end of the day teams that click well often win. |
It’s not negative, it’s just the brutal reality of where we stand in the big boys league I’m afraid, we are the small fish, the really small fish. If we remember that, then we can set our expectations accordingly and not get carried away after a win. We are so used to the squad goal being promotion, it’s very difficult to, deep down, accept that the best we can hope for now is to avoid relegation.
I agree that the togetherness and spirit certainly helps us from game to game, but nowhere near as much as a Haaland, Salah, Rodri etc etc would. | | | |
| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 22:31 - Jan 5 with 1334 views | pointofblue |
| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 22:08 - Jan 5 by _clive_baker_ |
And given we’ve lost 50% of our games and have a -15 GD I would guess there’s other periods of games where we also have a negative swing.
That’s not to say we’re not lacking depth off the bench though. We’ve had 1 #9 for pretty much the whole season so far. |
Out of the -15, three came from 87th onwards, and another ten from the games against Manchester City, West Ham and Newcastle. Excluding those, our goal difference for the rest of season is just -2.
Basically, excluding the thrashings, our goal difference post 87th minute is worse than the rest of the season put together. | |
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| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 22:31 - Jan 5 with 1331 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 22:17 - Jan 5 by NeverSayDie |
It’s not negative, it’s just the brutal reality of where we stand in the big boys league I’m afraid, we are the small fish, the really small fish. If we remember that, then we can set our expectations accordingly and not get carried away after a win. We are so used to the squad goal being promotion, it’s very difficult to, deep down, accept that the best we can hope for now is to avoid relegation.
I agree that the togetherness and spirit certainly helps us from game to game, but nowhere near as much as a Haaland, Salah, Rodri etc etc would. |
I’m sure you didn’t intend to be negative, but to say any other team has to be playing badly for us to get a result is exactly that.
My expectations are the same as they were in July - I hope we stay up, but don’t ’expect’ it. As the season has developed I’ve seen signs that the team has enough about it to survive, but we have a battle for the next 4 months. | | | |
| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 23:07 - Jan 5 with 1261 views | NeverSayDie |
| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 22:31 - Jan 5 by SuffolkPunchFC |
I’m sure you didn’t intend to be negative, but to say any other team has to be playing badly for us to get a result is exactly that.
My expectations are the same as they were in July - I hope we stay up, but don’t ’expect’ it. As the season has developed I’ve seen signs that the team has enough about it to survive, but we have a battle for the next 4 months. |
I know it sounds terrible, but that doesn’t make it negative, or untrue (you’re right, I’m not meaning to sound negative, just brutally realistic).
I wasn’t sure what to think when we got promoted, as the sort of signings we were able to make wasn’t clear and it has been such a long time since we played in the Prem, you’re still pinching yourself and thinking that if we managed to do what we’ve just done the last 2 seasons, maybe there’s a chance? I thought we actually equipped ourselves quite well v Liverpool and City, but at the same time, could see that neither team were out of second gear, the really harsh reality checks came against the teams around us at the bottom, that’s when it became clear that this season really was going to be a fight to get above 18th place, it’s a completely different world to any other league;, virtually every mistake is ruthlessly exploited and any chinks in the armour are exposed. If we hadn’t changed shape when we did (credit to McKenna for Plan B) I think we’d have been looking at a heavy defeat v Arsenal and most likely not got a result against Chelsea, or today for that matter. | | | |
| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 00:23 - Jan 6 with 1165 views | _clive_baker_ |
| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 22:31 - Jan 5 by pointofblue |
Out of the -15, three came from 87th onwards, and another ten from the games against Manchester City, West Ham and Newcastle. Excluding those, our goal difference for the rest of season is just -2.
Basically, excluding the thrashings, our goal difference post 87th minute is worse than the rest of the season put together. |
Why would we be excluding certain games from it though?
If we remove Fulham, Brentford & Bournemouth we’ve only conceded 2 goals in the last 15 minutes of games all season, and one of those was way back against Man City. | | | |
| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 00:36 - Jan 6 with 1145 views | pointofblue |
| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 00:23 - Jan 6 by _clive_baker_ |
Why would we be excluding certain games from it though?
If we remove Fulham, Brentford & Bournemouth we’ve only conceded 2 goals in the last 15 minutes of games all season, and one of those was way back against Man City. |
From my point of view, it shows the real impact of conceding late and how it costs us. Outside of the thrashings against Manchester City, West Ham and Newcastle, we have a pretty even scored to concede ratio across the season. From the 87th minute onwards the skew is -3. I think it is for the reasons said but, should we go down, there will be a few "what if's". | |
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| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 05:30 - Jan 6 with 1048 views | ITFCSG |
| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 00:23 - Jan 6 by _clive_baker_ |
Why would we be excluding certain games from it though?
If we remove Fulham, Brentford & Bournemouth we’ve only conceded 2 goals in the last 15 minutes of games all season, and one of those was way back against Man City. |
You apparently forgot the Leicester debacle at home | | | |
| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 07:03 - Jan 6 with 991 views | Wallingford_Boy |
Points dropped when leading is 20 I think, we’d be top four! |  |
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| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 08:08 - Jan 6 with 893 views | _clive_baker_ |
| -5 point swing from 87 mins onwards this season on 05:30 - Jan 6 by ITFCSG |
You apparently forgot the Leicester debacle at home |
No, that’s the other one of the 2. | | | |
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