| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave 13:16 - Jan 22 with 3872 views | jasondozzell |
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| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 13:31 - Jan 22 with 3024 views | Churchman |
I’d prefer us to keep Woolfenden. Fridge? He’s been good for us, but players come and go and I wish him well. |  | | |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 13:34 - Jan 22 with 3000 views | itfcsuth |
Both have been terrific, but there isn't really any room for sentiment.
We have to consistently look to evolve and improve, and they are players that are sellable, and can then look to upgrade on. |  | | |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 13:41 - Jan 22 with 2941 views | pointofblue |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 13:34 - Jan 22 by itfcsuth |
Both have been terrific, but there isn't really any room for sentiment.
We have to consistently look to evolve and improve, and they are players that are sellable, and can then look to upgrade on. |
When you say sellable, they could also go on a free.
I hate this argument, anyway. I understand it and you're probably right but the heart has been ripped out of football and Town have now jumped on this bandwagon. |  |
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| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 13:44 - Jan 22 with 2913 views | backwaywhen |
Back in the day nobody wanted to lose Terry Butcher , Mick Mills , John Wark , George Burley Arnold Murhen …….but we did . | | | |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 13:51 - Jan 22 with 2821 views | GeoffSentence |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 13:44 - Jan 22 by backwaywhen |
Back in the day nobody wanted to lose Terry Butcher , Mick Mills , John Wark , George Burley Arnold Murhen …….but we did . |
None of those departures improved the team.
Woolfy and Edmundson have been good for us but we can reasonably expect improved replacements. |  |
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| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 14:14 - Jan 22 with 2661 views | Nutkins_Return |
Woolfy would surely have to be a loan. If we were to get relegated then we would not be signing Godfrey and would most likely lose at least one of Greaves/O'Shea. Think we would need him next season.
All that said if we were confident of keeping O'Shea and Greaves then it makes sense. Also we need to create some pathways for emerging talent e g. A 4th/5th CB could be Baggott in the champ next year. | |
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| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 14:15 - Jan 22 with 2633 views | pointofblue |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 14:14 - Jan 22 by Nutkins_Return |
Woolfy would surely have to be a loan. If we were to get relegated then we would not be signing Godfrey and would most likely lose at least one of Greaves/O'Shea. Think we would need him next season.
All that said if we were confident of keeping O'Shea and Greaves then it makes sense. Also we need to create some pathways for emerging talent e g. A 4th/5th CB could be Baggott in the champ next year. |
Woolfenden's contract is up in the summer with no option for the club. It's sell now or potentially make nothing at all on him. | |
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| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 14:23 - Jan 22 with 2572 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 13:34 - Jan 22 by itfcsuth |
Both have been terrific, but there isn't really any room for sentiment.
We have to consistently look to evolve and improve, and they are players that are sellable, and can then look to upgrade on. |
The issue is the "improvements" haven't been better so far, Wolfie and Burgess have played superbly at this level and have been both reliable and consistent. It's been a mistake to drop either. Greaves and O'Shea haven't been better or worse than either.
As for selling Edmundson, that's all well and good but he's currently performing at a high level in the Championship. If we did drop, and we were forced to sell some of the "improvements" we will be looking for replacements at that level anyway. It would have made sense to leave him on loan as a just-in-case rather than try and cash in a paltry £500k now, and offer him a new contract in the summer. He knows the club, is well-liked, and would be in our Championship team next season. We will now have to find a new player, and while I know modern football fans are as addicted to signings as they are to anything, it doesn't always make sense.
It's not sentiment, it all seems like silly business to me. |  |
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| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 14:25 - Jan 22 with 2530 views | _clive_baker_ |
My worry a little bit is we know both can do a very good job in the Championship. IF we go down there's a chance Tuanzebe leaves on a free, there's a decent chance we might have to 'trade' 1 of O'Shea, Davis, Greaves on. Godfrey goes back, as does Phillips & Cajuste, and we could be in a position where we're replacing 4 or 5 of that core 6 / 7.
Contract situation doesn't help of course, but some more continuity if we go down would be helpful. If we stay up it doesn't really matter as we'll need better and can get better than either. |  | | |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 15:14 - Jan 22 with 2307 views | bsw72 |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 14:25 - Jan 22 by _clive_baker_ |
My worry a little bit is we know both can do a very good job in the Championship. IF we go down there's a chance Tuanzebe leaves on a free, there's a decent chance we might have to 'trade' 1 of O'Shea, Davis, Greaves on. Godfrey goes back, as does Phillips & Cajuste, and we could be in a position where we're replacing 4 or 5 of that core 6 / 7.
Contract situation doesn't help of course, but some more continuity if we go down would be helpful. If we stay up it doesn't really matter as we'll need better and can get better than either. |
We will be in a position to bring in decent Championship replacements though, with parachute money etc
It is the nature of the Premier League - when you get promoted you have to rebuild your team, knowing that if you don't stay up you will have to rebuild again back in the championship.
I am hoping that one of the conversations that KM has had with the new recruits is whether they are willing to stay to get us promoted again should we not stay up this time . . . |  | | |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 15:31 - Jan 22 with 2201 views | _clive_baker_ |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 15:14 - Jan 22 by bsw72 |
We will be in a position to bring in decent Championship replacements though, with parachute money etc
It is the nature of the Premier League - when you get promoted you have to rebuild your team, knowing that if you don't stay up you will have to rebuild again back in the championship.
I am hoping that one of the conversations that KM has had with the new recruits is whether they are willing to stay to get us promoted again should we not stay up this time . . . |
We will be, but we've already got demonstrably good Championship players in the building who would be moving on for not much money. They're settled, know the area and club, know the expectations, we know their character. There's quite a bit of risk inherent in bringing new players in, just feels a little extreme to me. Unless we're really confident of being able to keep O'Shea & Greaves if we go down, if we plan to do that then I think it becomes less of a concern. | | | |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 15:45 - Jan 22 with 2119 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 15:31 - Jan 22 by _clive_baker_ |
We will be, but we've already got demonstrably good Championship players in the building who would be moving on for not much money. They're settled, know the area and club, know the expectations, we know their character. There's quite a bit of risk inherent in bringing new players in, just feels a little extreme to me. Unless we're really confident of being able to keep O'Shea & Greaves if we go down, if we plan to do that then I think it becomes less of a concern. |
100% agree on this.
I would renew contracts of Woolfy and Burgess and loan them out if needed.
Less worried about Fridge. |  |
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| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 15:47 - Jan 22 with 2098 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 14:15 - Jan 22 by pointofblue |
Woolfenden's contract is up in the summer with no option for the club. It's sell now or potentially make nothing at all on him. |
Or renew his contract. | |
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| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 15:48 - Jan 22 with 2100 views | pointofblue |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 15:45 - Jan 22 by Marshalls_Mullet |
100% agree on this.
I would renew contracts of Woolfy and Burgess and loan them out if needed.
Less worried about Fridge. |
Issue is they have to want to renew their contracts.
I see Burgess as a probable. I think Woolfenden will want to go. | |
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| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 15:49 - Jan 22 with 2082 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 13:34 - Jan 22 by itfcsuth |
Both have been terrific, but there isn't really any room for sentiment.
We have to consistently look to evolve and improve, and they are players that are sellable, and can then look to upgrade on. |
Its not good business to lose them on a free, to then invest to buy new players.
Burgess especially would be VERY difficult to improve on in the Champ. | |
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| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 15:50 - Jan 22 with 2069 views | _clive_baker_ |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 15:48 - Jan 22 by pointofblue |
Issue is they have to want to renew their contracts.
I see Burgess as a probable. I think Woolfenden will want to go. |
To be fair to him if someone offered me a fat pay rise to hang out in Miami for a few years with Beckham and Messi I'd be over there in a fecking heartbeat. | | | |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 15:51 - Jan 22 with 2057 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 15:48 - Jan 22 by pointofblue |
Issue is they have to want to renew their contracts.
I see Burgess as a probable. I think Woolfenden will want to go. |
I don't think it would take much to persuade them.
Are they likely to move on to a bigger / better club? | |
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| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 15:52 - Jan 22 with 2046 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 15:50 - Jan 22 by _clive_baker_ |
To be fair to him if someone offered me a fat pay rise to hang out in Miami for a few years with Beckham and Messi I'd be over there in a fecking heartbeat. |
Will there be a big pay rise?
I aside from the galacticos in the US, I dont think the pay is huge? | |
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| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 15:57 - Jan 22 with 1983 views | hype313 |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 15:52 - Jan 22 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Will there be a big pay rise?
I aside from the galacticos in the US, I dont think the pay is huge? |
Average salary in the MLS is $513,075.
Obviously don't know how that equates to Woolfie's current package. |  |
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| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 15:59 - Jan 22 with 1940 views | itfcsuth |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 13:41 - Jan 22 by pointofblue |
When you say sellable, they could also go on a free.
I hate this argument, anyway. I understand it and you're probably right but the heart has been ripped out of football and Town have now jumped on this bandwagon. |
Possibly at the end of the season, but if there is a possibility of money now, I'd take on both.
Explain your second point, apologizes in advance, but I don't understand. | | | |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 16:02 - Jan 22 with 1898 views | _clive_baker_ |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 15:52 - Jan 22 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Will there be a big pay rise?
I aside from the galacticos in the US, I dont think the pay is huge? |
I'd think he would be on somewhere pushing £20k a week over there, or elsewhere. Not sure what he's on with us but I could see a world where he's maybe doubling his salary with his next move. | | | |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 16:06 - Jan 22 with 1854 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 16:02 - Jan 22 by _clive_baker_ |
I'd think he would be on somewhere pushing £20k a week over there, or elsewhere. Not sure what he's on with us but I could see a world where he's maybe doubling his salary with his next move. |
Id be surprised if thats accurate. But I wouldnt blame him if that opportunity arose with that salary.
If Miami doesnt materialise, I cant see another club coming in and bettering his salary to that extent. [Post edited 22 Jan 16:06]
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| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 16:09 - Jan 22 with 1825 views | pointofblue |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 15:59 - Jan 22 by itfcsuth |
Possibly at the end of the season, but if there is a possibility of money now, I'd take on both.
Explain your second point, apologizes in advance, but I don't understand. |
I think foreign clubs can start discussions now so, if Inter Miami are really interested, they could offer a contract and come to an agreement for Woolfenden to join when his current contract expries. Happy to be corrected but that's how I understand it.
It's pathetic on my part but I just think it's been too much change within the first XI. With some, I get the need. With others, I don't see who we've brought in and immediately given starting spots to as significant upgrades on who we had starting last year - in terms of depth, definitely, but not when it comes to starting. I think some players, still at the club, have been cast aside harshly. But I'm also aware I'm probably looking at this through rose tinted lenses and a dream of yesteryear. | |
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| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 16:19 - Jan 22 with 1760 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 16:09 - Jan 22 by pointofblue |
I think foreign clubs can start discussions now so, if Inter Miami are really interested, they could offer a contract and come to an agreement for Woolfenden to join when his current contract expries. Happy to be corrected but that's how I understand it.
It's pathetic on my part but I just think it's been too much change within the first XI. With some, I get the need. With others, I don't see who we've brought in and immediately given starting spots to as significant upgrades on who we had starting last year - in terms of depth, definitely, but not when it comes to starting. I think some players, still at the club, have been cast aside harshly. But I'm also aware I'm probably looking at this through rose tinted lenses and a dream of yesteryear. |
I think you are correct in a lot of what you say.
I do wonder whether the powers that be have bought players in with a view to making a profit, rather than strengthening the team.
Our transfer strategy is unsophisticated, and aside from Delap (profit depends on buy back if it exists), there isnt much profit in our signings, | |
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| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 16:30 - Jan 22 with 1710 views | _clive_baker_ |
| I don't want Woolfy or Fridge to leave on 16:06 - Jan 22 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Id be surprised if thats accurate. But I wouldnt blame him if that opportunity arose with that salary.
If Miami doesnt materialise, I cant see another club coming in and bettering his salary to that extent. [Post edited 22 Jan 16:06]
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I think if a club is getting him on a free then he would be in a very strong position to negotiate, and £20k p/w really isn't unthinkable. It's a big contract for him this next one, given he's 26 now and his current deal has effectively been a 5 year one that was a) signed at a young age and b) when in L1. No doubt there's been uplifts with promotion related rises etc since, but it's probably modest relative to a number of his team mates. It might well be that he looks back in 10 years time at this next deal as the most lucrative one of his career. Important one to get right. | | | |
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