| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window 22:21 - Sep 1 with 6267 views | unstableblue |
That perhaps brings some clarity and perspective on this window.
If you take Omari, Delap and Axel out of the picture - who I think we all agree were at the level we need to move to. We aspire to be at.
All the favourites, these players we’ve loved rightly for several season, well they’ve all moved down a level in terms of squad and club in their moves, or at best sideways: Broadhead, Wolfie, Chaplin, Luongo, Burgess, Morsy.
Now don’t get me wrong on current form and table position, Coventry looks perhaps a step up. But as a club Town are stronger and superior.
Time to thank our last round of heroes, usher in the new… and back McKenna [Post edited 1 Sep 22:28]
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| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:27 - Sep 1 with 4438 views | Chris_ITFC |
I’m not sure I fully agree.
Down in club, but gone up to be starters… when we had them as ‘squad’ players.
Having Wrexham’s best player or Coventry’s starting CB as our backup options is definitely better than relying on a Taylor or Baggott. [Post edited 1 Sep 22:29]
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| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:31 - Sep 1 with 4326 views | itfcsuth |
What makes us stronger and superior?
We are in the same division as all them players (except Morsy who got the end of career jackpot salary), and we are below all of them unless I’m mistaken?
The strongest and most superior team is the one sitting at the top of the table at any given time. [Post edited 1 Sep 22:53]
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| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:31 - Sep 1 with 4315 views | ArnieM |
But we dont / wont be relying on Taylor or Baggott, will we. Or have I misunderstood your post? |  |
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| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:35 - Sep 1 with 4230 views | unstableblue |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:27 - Sep 1 by Chris_ITFC |
I’m not sure I fully agree.
Down in club, but gone up to be starters… when we had them as ‘squad’ players.
Having Wrexham’s best player or Coventry’s starting CB as our backup options is definitely better than relying on a Taylor or Baggott. [Post edited 1 Sep 22:29]
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Well that’s a good point Chris. But not sure it’s the same one. These legacy players on paper are not better than the players ahead of them, and their age considerations in there. They are back-up players.
And Wolfenden and alike, well the club wanted to keep them as back up, but they felt probably rightly that they wanted to be starters.
Wolfie for me was probably more valuable than the fee received. And is not far off a starter. But we have an Irish international, captain, excellent stats and very mobile player ahead of him.
I think Kipre is a very very good back up player. Seems to have some very high quality attributes. And is a very strong back up in place of Burgess. | |
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| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:36 - Sep 1 with 4204 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:27 - Sep 1 by Chris_ITFC |
I’m not sure I fully agree.
Down in club, but gone up to be starters… when we had them as ‘squad’ players.
Having Wrexham’s best player or Coventry’s starting CB as our backup options is definitely better than relying on a Taylor or Baggott. [Post edited 1 Sep 22:29]
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Except the reason they have left is so we have signed players that mean Taylor won't be starting and Baggott is still only an emergency rather than regular back-up. Aside from the two we sold for big money and Tuanzebe, we haven't sold/loaned/lost any of our top players. Much as fans like (understandably) Chaplin and Woolfenden they have been squad players for at least a year now. My signing those we have brought in, the belief is we are improving the first choice eleven by moving out some squad players.
Of course, whether we have actually improved the first eleven depends a lot on how Akpom, Azon, Matusiwa, Nunez, Cajuste, Furlong, Egeli, Young, etc perform. |  |
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| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:36 - Sep 1 with 4202 views | Axeldalai_lama |
And replaced them with many from top leagues.
Two from serie A
One from ligue 1
One from eredivise
One from premier league.
Then current first team players of Leicester wba(and that lot). Decent players at top end (mostly!) clubs.
On paper no one can really argue about the signings being better. |  | | |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:39 - Sep 1 with 4128 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:31 - Sep 1 by itfcsuth |
What makes us stronger and superior?
We are in the same division as all them players (except Morsy who got the end of career jackpot salary), and we are below all of them unless I’m mistaken?
The strongest and most superior team is the one sitting at the top of the table at any given time. [Post edited 1 Sep 22:53]
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By your own logic, whilst those players who have just left were here we are the 20th best team in the division. Whether or not the new players can get us above 20th will be the tell of whether they have improved us! | |
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| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:39 - Sep 1 with 4116 views | unstableblue |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:31 - Sep 1 by ArnieM |
But we dont / wont be relying on Taylor or Baggott, will we. Or have I misunderstood your post? |
I think you’re making the same point as Chris below, which is a different one to what I was perhaps confusingly making.
Yes our back up player quality has reduced in part
- although when you factor in Kipre, and our 3 CMs and plethora of attacking mid perhaps it’s not reduced that much.
My point is we are right to be nostalgic and sentimental at these players departures, but they are not of a quality that have gone to a higher club, indicating we’re not losing talent for a hopeful return to the Prem. | |
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| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:42 - Sep 1 with 4071 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:27 - Sep 1 by Chris_ITFC |
I’m not sure I fully agree.
Down in club, but gone up to be starters… when we had them as ‘squad’ players.
Having Wrexham’s best player or Coventry’s starting CB as our backup options is definitely better than relying on a Taylor or Baggott. [Post edited 1 Sep 22:29]
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Eh? Who's relying on baggott and Taylor. You're deliberately choosing the weakest squad members now, who will get few games overall. In reality it will be the 3 big guns sharing centre mid, and Kipre, even Furlong centre backs.
Given how few games those you suggest will get how could we keep Woolf and others happy anyway? The rise in quality is why they wanted out. | | | |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:46 - Sep 1 with 3978 views | itfcsuth |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:39 - Sep 1 by Nthsuffolkblue |
By your own logic, whilst those players who have just left were here we are the 20th best team in the division. Whether or not the new players can get us above 20th will be the tell of whether they have improved us! |
Them players got us to 2nd in the division, automatic promotion to the Premier League, 96 points, 92 goals scored, just 6 defeats.
Let’s see if the new group can top that, if we have spent £125m to ‘upgrade’ on that group - should be an absolute stroll in the park for us shouldn’t it… | | | |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:48 - Sep 1 with 3923 views | reusersfreekicks |
If we put Clarke, Philogene, Johnson, Greaves and Szmodics on the market now what level of club would take them? |  | | |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:53 - Sep 1 with 3848 views | itfcsuth |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:48 - Sep 1 by reusersfreekicks |
If we put Clarke, Philogene, Johnson, Greaves and Szmodics on the market now what level of club would take them? |
Championship. [Post edited 1 Sep 22:54]
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| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:54 - Sep 1 with 3844 views | unstableblue |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:48 - Sep 1 by reusersfreekicks |
If we put Clarke, Philogene, Johnson, Greaves and Szmodics on the market now what level of club would take them? |
I’m not sure about Johnson
But I’d say a parachute payment club like Blades, Saints or Leicester… at a push a Sunderland, Burnley
Philogene is highly rated.
Szmodics has been a top scorer in the Champ
Greaves in team of the season
Get some confidence and wins into the team, that’s the issue at the moment, then we’ll see their pedigree | |
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| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:54 - Sep 1 with 3849 views | PrideOfTheEast |
Completely agree with that.
My concern, and it’s a massive one tbh, is the quality of what we’ve bought in over the last few windows. [Post edited 1 Sep 22:54]
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| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:58 - Sep 1 with 3787 views | Simonds92 |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:35 - Sep 1 by unstableblue |
Well that’s a good point Chris. But not sure it’s the same one. These legacy players on paper are not better than the players ahead of them, and their age considerations in there. They are back-up players.
And Wolfenden and alike, well the club wanted to keep them as back up, but they felt probably rightly that they wanted to be starters.
Wolfie for me was probably more valuable than the fee received. And is not far off a starter. But we have an Irish international, captain, excellent stats and very mobile player ahead of him.
I think Kipre is a very very good back up player. Seems to have some very high quality attributes. And is a very strong back up in place of Burgess. |
Maybe on paper.... but we've all watched the majority of our 'Championship All Stars' struggle for the last 12 months in both divisions. In that time the players who got us to the Premier League weren't given a fair crack, and when they were given game time, they stood out as strong points not weaknesses.
- Broadhead was better than Clarke and Philogene.
- Burgess was better than Greaves
- Chaplin, for me, still linked the play better than anyone else in the 10.
- Morsy kept Phillips out the team.
- Woolfenden looked like he could play at the level. I won't say as an individual he was better than O'Shea but the partnership with Burgess was a hell of a lot better than our current pairing.
- Ben Johnson brought in as competition for Tuanzabe and he ended up being nowhere near the level.
- Hladky vs Muric doesn't even need elaboration.
I would love to be wrong, everything clicks and we suddenly run away with the league with all these players playing to their potential. But it just feels like this is a group of strangers chucked together, playing out of their favoured positions, with very low confidence and with a loser mentality.
I think a few of them are guilty of going missing when times get tough too. That's something which can't be levelled at a single one of the promotion winning squads.
They all showed up for eachother. | | | |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 23:01 - Sep 1 with 3748 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:54 - Sep 1 by unstableblue |
I’m not sure about Johnson
But I’d say a parachute payment club like Blades, Saints or Leicester… at a push a Sunderland, Burnley
Philogene is highly rated.
Szmodics has been a top scorer in the Champ
Greaves in team of the season
Get some confidence and wins into the team, that’s the issue at the moment, then we’ll see their pedigree |
Or less rose tintedly
Johnson not performed above mid championship level
Szmodics - one good season only
Philogene - don't recall we had much competition for him | | | |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 23:19 - Sep 1 with 3568 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:54 - Sep 1 by unstableblue |
I’m not sure about Johnson
But I’d say a parachute payment club like Blades, Saints or Leicester… at a push a Sunderland, Burnley
Philogene is highly rated.
Szmodics has been a top scorer in the Champ
Greaves in team of the season
Get some confidence and wins into the team, that’s the issue at the moment, then we’ll see their pedigree |
A parachute club is so enamoured with Johnson they just spent £4m on another RB |  |
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| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 23:52 - Sep 1 with 3420 views | positivity |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:31 - Sep 1 by itfcsuth |
What makes us stronger and superior?
We are in the same division as all them players (except Morsy who got the end of career jackpot salary), and we are below all of them unless I’m mistaken?
The strongest and most superior team is the one sitting at the top of the table at any given time. [Post edited 1 Sep 22:53]
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nope it's the team who finishes the season higher. not after 4 games when a lot of the new players hadn't even signed!!
we weren't the stronger and more superior team to everton and wolves last season after 4 games | |
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| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 23:56 - Sep 1 with 3410 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Not really the point of the thread and I’m sure you probably know this already but you know ‘Joe Fairs on Blue Monday’ is our Joe on here? itfcjoe.
A really good bloke.
Just weird seeing him referred to as though he’s not a regular poster haha |  |
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| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 00:02 - Sep 2 with 3345 views | ITFC1977 |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:27 - Sep 1 by Chris_ITFC |
I’m not sure I fully agree.
Down in club, but gone up to be starters… when we had them as ‘squad’ players.
Having Wrexham’s best player or Coventry’s starting CB as our backup options is definitely better than relying on a Taylor or Baggott. [Post edited 1 Sep 22:29]
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Most Coventry fans are saying wolfy will be 3rd choice. | | | |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 00:06 - Sep 2 with 3316 views | WeWereZombies |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:48 - Sep 1 by reusersfreekicks |
If we put Clarke, Philogene, Johnson, Greaves and Szmodics on the market now what level of club would take them? |
No club would take them, the window has closed. But if you had posed the question four hours earlier then maybe Brentford - they've sold all their good players, haven't they ? |  |
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| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 01:13 - Sep 2 with 3187 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 23:56 - Sep 1 by The_Romford_Blue |
Not really the point of the thread and I’m sure you probably know this already but you know ‘Joe Fairs on Blue Monday’ is our Joe on here? itfcjoe.
A really good bloke.
Just weird seeing him referred to as though he’s not a regular poster haha |
I don't understand why this has downvotes. | |
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| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 01:18 - Sep 2 with 3174 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 01:13 - Sep 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I don't understand why this has downvotes. |
No idea.
I genuinely have no idea. | |
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| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 01:46 - Sep 2 with 3132 views | mutters |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:27 - Sep 1 by Chris_ITFC |
I’m not sure I fully agree.
Down in club, but gone up to be starters… when we had them as ‘squad’ players.
Having Wrexham’s best player or Coventry’s starting CB as our backup options is definitely better than relying on a Taylor or Baggott. [Post edited 1 Sep 22:29]
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Two questions...
How much do you think Baggot will play this season?
How much have you seen him play to know what he's capable of? |  |
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| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 02:02 - Sep 2 with 3086 views | charlie1 |
| Joe Fairs on Blue Monday makes a very good point on the transfer window on 22:31 - Sep 1 by itfcsuth |
What makes us stronger and superior?
We are in the same division as all them players (except Morsy who got the end of career jackpot salary), and we are below all of them unless I’m mistaken?
The strongest and most superior team is the one sitting at the top of the table at any given time. [Post edited 1 Sep 22:53]
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So at 3.03pm Team A are the strongest and most superior when they score and go above Team B, oh but Team C have just got a penalty at an unrelated game 200 miles away which would take them above A and B.
Let's go live to see if Team C are the strongest and most superior for a few minutes...in August. | | | |
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