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Everything that the club stood for has been compromised 08:08 - Mar 28 with 1723 views

jasondozzell

Get him out of our club

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:12 - Mar 28 with 1281 views

portmanking

So let me get this straight. You used to be annoying for a constant stream of positivity. Now we've gone full circle?! I can't keep up.

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:14 - Mar 28 with 1261 views

jasondozzell

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:12 - Mar 28 by portmanking
So let me get this straight. You used to be annoying for a constant stream of positivity. Now we've gone full circle?! I can't keep up.

So you think this is all okay then?

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Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:17 - Mar 28 with 1235 views

bluejacko

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:14 - Mar 28 by jasondozzell
So you think this is all okay then?

Would you be so ‘outraged’ if it had been ANY other political leader of a party?

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:17 - Mar 28 with 1229 views

CobboldCrusty

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:17 - Mar 28 by bluejacko
Would you be so ‘outraged’ if it had been ANY other political leader of a party?

but it isn't is it

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Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:19 - Mar 28 with 1196 views

jasondozzell

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:17 - Mar 28 by bluejacko
Would you be so ‘outraged’ if it had been ANY other political leader of a party?

Why are all these new posters called 'blue' something?!

Would you be so happy to defend it if it was ANY other political leader?

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:20 - Mar 28 with 1187 views

urbanpenguin

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:17 - Mar 28 by bluejacko
Would you be so ‘outraged’ if it had been ANY other political leader of a party?

Are you being deliberately disingenuous?
If you've read anything off this board this week you fully know that the fundamental issue is with how the club was used and the lying.

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:25 - Mar 28 with 1134 views

Zx1988

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:17 - Mar 28 by bluejacko
Would you be so ‘outraged’ if it had been ANY other political leader of a party?

Yes, if Ashton had spent the whole week in silence on the matter, only occasionally popping his head over the parapet to scream 'FAKE NEWS'.

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Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:28 - Mar 28 with 1113 views

bluejacko

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:17 - Mar 28 by CobboldCrusty
but it isn't is it

Surely that’s the point? There are people with all sorts of views on political parties it’s just they don’t just shout about it and get outraged because that’s their view and claim to act for the majority!Im sure not all the staff at PR were upset and the same with the fan base.

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:29 - Mar 28 with 1083 views

Texaco73

He has damaged the reputation, brand and values of the club, including implicating our sponsors by association.
Zero contrition and a non-appology.

He tries ro spin the 'we' and shared togetherness, when by his actions he is not demonstrating that.

Ipswich Town is for everyone.
It is not within his gift to use for his own edification or tilt it towards sections of society.

He needs to go to put this to bed.

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:29 - Mar 28 with 1074 views

TheMoralMajority

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:17 - Mar 28 by bluejacko
Would you be so ‘outraged’ if it had been ANY other political leader of a party?

I am not going to keep re-writing the same thing over and over again, so will now just resort to stock c+p

I see freedom of speech is irrelevant here by TheMoralMajority 26 Mar 22:07
Jesus christ.

For the umpteeth time it's not about f'ing reform. It's about platforming a political party, *any* political party, denying it, lying about it and gaslighting the fans, all whilst claiming to be 'apolitical'

Sure, carry on with the "whataboutery" if you want, serves no purpose.

We all, as fans, have been taken for absolute mugs. You may be ok with that. I am not.

There are those on the right who will go "yeah, but, what about Starmer, what about the Greens".

There are those on the left who will scream to high heaven "Farage is a Nazi!!".

None of these are the point (and neither side really do any service to the real issue)

OUR CLUB IS NOT A POLITICAL MOUTHPIECE

WE ARE NOT HERE TO HAVE OUR MONEY TAKEN OFF US AND BE LIED TO.

REPEATEDLY.

Ashton out

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:31 - Mar 28 with 1046 views

Zx1988

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:28 - Mar 28 by bluejacko
Surely that’s the point? There are people with all sorts of views on political parties it’s just they don’t just shout about it and get outraged because that’s their view and claim to act for the majority!Im sure not all the staff at PR were upset and the same with the fan base.

You've missed the point with Marlon Harewood levels of inaccuracy.

Monday - "We had no idea Reform were coming. They duped us under a fake booking, and we had no involvement with their visit. Any shirts used in their footage were bought and paid for by Reform UK."

That would have been fine.

It's the point at which it then becomes apparent that Ashton is lying through his back teeth, gets caught in said lie, doubles down on said lie, and refuses to engage with the media, followed by publishing a non-apology in the middle of an England match; a timing all but guaranteed to be a 'bury bad news' decision.

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Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:33 - Mar 28 with 1014 views

Dubtractor

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:29 - Mar 28 by TheMoralMajority

I am not going to keep re-writing the same thing over and over again, so will now just resort to stock c+p

Yeah, but you'd not be as vocal if it was Polanski, would you? eh?

Pretty relentless whataboutery all week, from all the people who would be fooking livid if it actually had been Polanski. Which is exactly the point, that the club shouldn't platform ANY political party, because it is nailed on to piss off a decent chuck of the support and cause friction.

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Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:35 - Mar 28 with 989 views

CobboldCrusty

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:28 - Mar 28 by bluejacko
Surely that’s the point? There are people with all sorts of views on political parties it’s just they don’t just shout about it and get outraged because that’s their view and claim to act for the majority!Im sure not all the staff at PR were upset and the same with the fan base.

no the point is we're dealing with what's actually happened not with hypotheticals

if the club had hosted, eg Polanski, no that would not be okay either for reasons of political neutrality

but that reason is only one aspect of what has become a slew of reasons that this whole episode and its cover-ups absolutely stinks

and yes I have it on good word that many staff at ITFC are deeply upset by this and have lodged official complaints with HR

genuinely hope that has cleared it up for you a bit

[Post edited 28 Mar 8:35]

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:35 - Mar 28 with 988 views

Bluesky

The reaction on this site to the Farage episode has been bizarre. I no longer trust the integrity of this site. I hardly recognise any posters.

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:35 - Mar 28 with 981 views

urbanpenguin

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:33 - Mar 28 by Dubtractor
Yeah, but you'd not be as vocal if it was Polanski, would you? eh? Pretty relentless whataboutery all week, from all the people who would be fooking livid if it actually had been Polanski. Which is exactly the point, that the club shouldn't platform ANY political party, because it is nailed on to piss off a decent chuck of the support and cause friction.

Polanski, or any other party, would not have done this. It's a straw man arguement.

This was not, in the first instance, a normal political visit. No touring of the community programme, no shared pedestal, no press cameras. Just a cheap pr video leveraging the club followed up by online jokes about being right wing.

The whole "what about if it was..." is really dim, nobody else would have done what happend in any realistic situation.

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:38 - Mar 28 with 949 views

Scuzzer

Oh dear. Whatever happened to rationality.

Established 1968

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:38 - Mar 28 with 947 views

bluejacko

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:19 - Mar 28 by jasondozzell
Why are all these new posters called 'blue' something?! Would you be so happy to defend it if it was ANY other political leader?

Just because I have not posted for a while doesn’t make me “ new” and that’s precisely that attitude that stinks! Personally I don’t think any politician should get special treatment at any club etc ,are you going to call out Starmer for free tkts at Arsenal? They are all at it!
Ashton has apologised so what’s next accept it or continue and hound him out of the club?

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:39 - Mar 28 with 936 views

Scuzzer

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:35 - Mar 28 by Bluesky
The reaction on this site to the Farage episode has been bizarre. I no longer trust the integrity of this site. I hardly recognise any posters.

Glad I'm not the only one.

Established 1968

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:40 - Mar 28 with 924 views

TheMoralMajority

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:33 - Mar 28 by Dubtractor
Yeah, but you'd not be as vocal if it was Polanski, would you? eh? Pretty relentless whataboutery all week, from all the people who would be fooking livid if it actually had been Polanski. Which is exactly the point, that the club shouldn't platform ANY political party, because it is nailed on to piss off a decent chuck of the support and cause friction.

Honest to God, I hate just C+Ping a post (that I don't particularly like, as I was pretty pissed off at the time)

But just re-iterating the same point, in different ways, to people who are, most likely, being deliberately obtuse is the way to madness. The attempt to re-frame this as "omg, the woke snowflakes don't like that someone had lunch with a politician they do not like" is transparent at best, and most likely deliberately divisive.

Everything has to be culture wars and tribal for some people. What a world we live in.

The one positive (and, oh my, am I clutching here) is seeing people who spend most of the time crossing swords on pretty much every other issue becoming fairly aligned on this particular one.

I may have to do an update that includes the absolute limp-wristed "apology" we have been fobbed off with too.

Ashton out

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:45 - Mar 28 with 870 views

lowhouseblue

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:20 - Mar 28 by urbanpenguin
Are you being deliberately disingenuous? If you've read anything off this board this week you fully know that the fundamental issue is with how the club was used and the lying.

so why did all the wailing start, and all the toys leave the pram, before anyone had any evidence that the club's first statement was incomplete. people on here had gone into full flounce even before the first atlantic piece.

the "it's only because he lied line" was a relatively late arrival at the party.

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:49 - Mar 28 with 830 views

Swansea_Blue

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:17 - Mar 28 by bluejacko
Would you be so ‘outraged’ if it had been ANY other political leader of a party?

I’d have been pretty pissed off if it had been Stalin.

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Escaped Goat of the day. Who’s it going to be?

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:54 - Mar 28 with 779 views

ernie

Give it a rest you absolute pillock. Not everyone in the world sees things the way you do in black and white.

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Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:56 - Mar 28 with 765 views

waveneyblue

You still banging on ?

Give it a rest now, I think we all know how you feel.

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:58 - Mar 28 with 746 views

Horsham

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:17 - Mar 28 by bluejacko
Would you be so ‘outraged’ if it had been ANY other political leader of a party?

I’m not speaking for anyone else and I’ve tried on the whole to keep my own views on this apolitical (just like the club eh)

But for me the problem with this was never about lunch with Farage it was about Ashton seemingly giving the club’s endorsement to Reform by allowing it to be used in promotional material.

If the same had been done with any other party it would have been divisive but the thing that I think is fair to acknowledge with Reform is that while it has achieved considerable popularity and potentially could form the next government etc, it is a party with a leader that is also strongly opposed and even hated by a large section of society.

ITFC should be a unifying force in the community and cannot afford to be associated with enabling division.

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 09:01 - Mar 28 with 731 views

Dubtractor

Everything that the club stood for has been compromised on 08:45 - Mar 28 by lowhouseblue
so why did all the wailing start, and all the toys leave the pram, before anyone had any evidence that the club's first statement was incomplete. people on here had gone into full flounce even before the first atlantic piece. the "it's only because he lied line" was a relatively late arrival at the party.

Because it was mind blowingly obvious that first 'statement' or whatever it was to Phil was a lie.

'no official involvement'

A more obvious lie you'd struggle to find.

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