| Starmer clearly wants to go back 13:28 - May 11 with 2267 views | onceablue |
Into the European Union
He needs to call another referendum if this is possible.
He can’t decide that is what he thinks is best for the country and just do it
Shows the arrogance of the man and I voted to remain but it was the will of the people to leave.
Beginning to realise that he now believes he is the almighty himself
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| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 13:31 - May 11 with 1687 views | Zx1988 |
Given the colossal mis-step made by the British public back in 2016, when it came to deciding what is best for the country, I'm not sure we need another referendum.
We (with Russian-backed assistance) attacked our own foot with a rocket launcher. If Starmer's efforts at diplomacy are sufficient to earn us a second chance with the EU, we should be taking it with both hands. | |
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| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 13:35 - May 11 with 1632 views | chantryblueboy |
That would be good. Then when reform get in we can have another referendum, then when the tide swings left again we can have another one and just live in a state of perpetual referendums | | | |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 13:40 - May 11 with 1574 views | Blueschev |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 13:31 - May 11 by Zx1988 |
Given the colossal mis-step made by the British public back in 2016, when it came to deciding what is best for the country, I'm not sure we need another referendum.
We (with Russian-backed assistance) attacked our own foot with a rocket launcher. If Starmer's efforts at diplomacy are sufficient to earn us a second chance with the EU, we should be taking it with both hands. |
In an ideal world I'd agree with you. But the past week has shown that the far right is very much in the ascendency. If Starmer were to suggest re-joining the EU it would only give them a further shot in the arm. |  | | |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 13:40 - May 11 with 1566 views | NedPlimpton |
Call me a cynic, but something about you suggests you might be telling fibs about you voting to remain
Anyway, even so the referendum was 10 years ago, has proved to be a disaster and a lot of the people whose "will" we were following have probably passed away given the age demographics of leave voters
I'd say it's pretty sensible and putting the best interests of the country at heart to consider rejoining the EU
This is why we shouldn't have referendums on complex situations, as the "will of the people" is put before the opinions of experts who all warned us that it would be disastrous |  | | |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 13:43 - May 11 with 1509 views | onceablue |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 13:35 - May 11 by chantryblueboy |
That would be good. Then when reform get in we can have another referendum, then when the tide swings left again we can have another one and just live in a state of perpetual referendums |
Can you tell me how long the vote from a referendum lasts?
My point is the leave vote was the will of the people.
Starmer can’t decide well the voters got it wrong and take us back into Europe.
As I say I voted remain and believe we as a country has suffered since brexit
If you don’t take notice of any voting system that will lead to a dictatorship
I do believe Starmer thinks he is a dictator and that’s why the Labour Party lost so many votes | | | |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 13:44 - May 11 with 1506 views | StokieBlue |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 13:40 - May 11 by Blueschev |
In an ideal world I'd agree with you. But the past week has shown that the far right is very much in the ascendency. If Starmer were to suggest re-joining the EU it would only give them a further shot in the arm. |
It's interesting, I actually think it might be Labours only chance to beat Reform.
There are a large number of younger voters who had no say in the referendum whose lives are heavily affected by not being in the EU who works likely come out to vote for it if it was a manifesto pledge.
What Labour are doing currently doesn't look like it'll be able to stop Reform at the polls.
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| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 13:46 - May 11 with 1465 views | Zx1988 |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 13:43 - May 11 by onceablue |
Can you tell me how long the vote from a referendum lasts?
My point is the leave vote was the will of the people.
Starmer can’t decide well the voters got it wrong and take us back into Europe.
As I say I voted remain and believe we as a country has suffered since brexit
If you don’t take notice of any voting system that will lead to a dictatorship
I do believe Starmer thinks he is a dictator and that’s why the Labour Party lost so many votes |
Based on the evidence, Starmer can very much decide that the electorate got it wrong.
There's absolutely nothing dictatorial about giving the results of a referendum a decade to play out, observing the colossal act of national self harm that it's become, and deciding to take a future decision out of the public's hands.
Care to name three post-Brexit things with which you're happy/impressed? [Post edited 11 May 13:55]
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| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 13:47 - May 11 with 1445 views | onceablue |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 13:46 - May 11 by Zx1988 |
Based on the evidence, Starmer can very much decide that the electorate got it wrong.
There's absolutely nothing dictatorial about giving the results of a referendum a decade to play out, observing the colossal act of national self harm that it's become, and deciding to take a future decision out of the public's hands.
Care to name three post-Brexit things with which you're happy/impressed? [Post edited 11 May 13:55]
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| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 13:47 - May 11 with 1443 views | StokieBlue |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 13:43 - May 11 by onceablue |
Can you tell me how long the vote from a referendum lasts?
My point is the leave vote was the will of the people.
Starmer can’t decide well the voters got it wrong and take us back into Europe.
As I say I voted remain and believe we as a country has suffered since brexit
If you don’t take notice of any voting system that will lead to a dictatorship
I do believe Starmer thinks he is a dictator and that’s why the Labour Party lost so many votes |
He's not even remotely said he's going to rejoin the EU in this parliament.
You've made it up so you can carry on your weird agenda.
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| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 14:02 - May 11 with 1340 views | bartyg |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 13:43 - May 11 by onceablue |
Can you tell me how long the vote from a referendum lasts?
My point is the leave vote was the will of the people.
Starmer can’t decide well the voters got it wrong and take us back into Europe.
As I say I voted remain and believe we as a country has suffered since brexit
If you don’t take notice of any voting system that will lead to a dictatorship
I do believe Starmer thinks he is a dictator and that’s why the Labour Party lost so many votes |
How long is the political mandate for anything? We don't live in a direct democracy. The checks and balances on the Government are the Houses of Commons and Lords, other than that they can do as they like.
Your last line is laughable. Starmer is as milquetoast as politicians come, famously rowing back on policy after policy due to public outcry. |  |
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| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 14:08 - May 11 with 1296 views | Illinoisblue |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 13:35 - May 11 by chantryblueboy |
That would be good. Then when reform get in we can have another referendum, then when the tide swings left again we can have another one and just live in a state of perpetual referendums |
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| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 14:14 - May 11 with 1255 views | MattinLondon |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 13:47 - May 11 by StokieBlue |
He's not even remotely said he's going to rejoin the EU in this parliament.
You've made it up so you can carry on your weird agenda.
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The EU application process takes a long time and I doubt whether the EU will speed it up to accommodate a former member. Also at the moment, why would the EU want the UK back especially when hate preacher Farage is waiting outside the door playing with his bollox in full view of everyone.
Possibly instead of being in-but-out, the UK will become out-but-in. Not sure whether that makes sense but with free movement, being on the single market but not actually being a full member. [Post edited 11 May 14:20]
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| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 14:15 - May 11 with 1249 views | The_Major |
It wasn't the will of the people.
It was the will of 37% of the people. And yes, that translated into a majority of those who voted. Ten years ago. And of that 37% a lot will have changed their minds given the utter disaster it has been, and given the demographic make up of a large proportion of the leave vote, unfortunately many will no longer be with us.
There wasn't (unfortunately) a mention of single markets or customs unions in the speech this morning, let alone the prospect of rejoining fully. |  | | |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 14:21 - May 11 with 1194 views | leitrimblue |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 14:08 - May 11 by Illinoisblue |
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That's more like it, good solid vest, full compliment of cheap tats. A man worth voting for at last |  | | |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 14:40 - May 11 with 1120 views | Blueschev |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 13:44 - May 11 by StokieBlue |
It's interesting, I actually think it might be Labours only chance to beat Reform.
There are a large number of younger voters who had no say in the referendum whose lives are heavily affected by not being in the EU who works likely come out to vote for it if it was a manifesto pledge.
What Labour are doing currently doesn't look like it'll be able to stop Reform at the polls.
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Despite what I just said I do agree with you. A pledge to re-join the EU would certainly garner support around Labour from a significant demographic. However I think it would also ramp up opposition against them to even higher levels, embolden the far right, and further polarise an already divided country. I'm not sure that's a price worth paying. | | | |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 14:46 - May 11 with 1096 views | Swansea_Blue |
As someone who thinks we were crackers to leave, I only wish Starmer “clearly wants to go back”. He’s continually stated he’s not budging on his red lines to not rejoin the SM and/or CU. He’s sticking to his red lines even though they’re tanking his support, so I can’t see it. |  |
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| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 14:49 - May 11 with 1080 views | WeWereZombies |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 14:21 - May 11 by leitrimblue |
That's more like it, good solid vest, full compliment of cheap tats. A man worth voting for at last |
Listen mate, you can only vote for him if HE says you can vote for him. |  |
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| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 14:50 - May 11 with 1080 views | vapour_trail |
You don’t vote for Nigel, you don’t vote for Rupert, you didn’t vote for brexit.
Onceablue, I’m beginning to think you’re little more than a yoghurt-munching sandal-knitting wokeoid. |  |
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| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 14:52 - May 11 with 1056 views | leitrimblue |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 14:49 - May 11 by WeWereZombies |
Listen mate, you can only vote for him if HE says you can vote for him. |
He's got the right attitude as well. He's got my vote, well if he allows for me to vote for him. ( I'm gonna quickly rush off and get a couple of sh1te union jack tats) | | | |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 14:55 - May 11 with 1039 views | LeoMuff |
Very sensibly he knows we can do nothing economically with this, especially as the USA is now a completely unreliable clown show.
A Norway agreement is perfect. |  |
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| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 14:56 - May 11 with 1029 views | WeWereZombies |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 14:52 - May 11 by leitrimblue |
He's got the right attitude as well. He's got my vote, well if he allows for me to vote for him. ( I'm gonna quickly rush off and get a couple of sh1te union jack tats) |
They should go down well in Sligo... | |
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| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 15:00 - May 11 with 988 views | leitrimblue |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 14:56 - May 11 by WeWereZombies |
They should go down well in Sligo... |
I'm obviously never gonna take me jumper off again  | | | |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 15:05 - May 11 with 952 views | WeWereZombies |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 14:02 - May 11 by bartyg |
How long is the political mandate for anything? We don't live in a direct democracy. The checks and balances on the Government are the Houses of Commons and Lords, other than that they can do as they like.
Your last line is laughable. Starmer is as milquetoast as politicians come, famously rowing back on policy after policy due to public outcry. |
Beyond that, rejoining the European Union doesn't seem to be what Starmer proposed thsi morning anyway, here's the BBC summary:
'Stronger ties with the European Union
The UK will set a "new direction for Britain" at the next European Union (EU) summit, he said.
The Labour government will focus on putting Britain "at the heart of Europe" in order to cultivate a stronger, economy, trade network and defence system.'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/liv
It looks possible that after the last couple of years, what with Trump's threats to NATO and an escalation in hostilities all over the place, that the European Union could undergo a complete restructuring anyway and the terms of membership become a different proposal altogether. | |
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| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 15:06 - May 11 with 949 views | keighleyblue |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 13:40 - May 11 by Blueschev |
In an ideal world I'd agree with you. But the past week has shown that the far right is very much in the ascendency. If Starmer were to suggest re-joining the EU it would only give them a further shot in the arm. |
or, it might allow those on the right side of history to prevail. |  | | |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 15:13 - May 11 with 914 views | StokieBlue |
| Starmer clearly wants to go back on 14:14 - May 11 by MattinLondon |
The EU application process takes a long time and I doubt whether the EU will speed it up to accommodate a former member. Also at the moment, why would the EU want the UK back especially when hate preacher Farage is waiting outside the door playing with his bollox in full view of everyone.
Possibly instead of being in-but-out, the UK will become out-but-in. Not sure whether that makes sense but with free movement, being on the single market but not actually being a full member. [Post edited 11 May 14:20]
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France and Germany have made it pretty clear that we would be welcomed back very quickly. We would obviously lose the pound and the other benefits we had but that's our own fault.
The world has changed since Brexit. They would be very quick to get the worlds 6th biggest economy and a technologically advanced military back in the club.
Obviously this would only happen if Labour won an election with that as manifesto pledge at which point Farage is likely an irrelevance.
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