| Floating Voters 15:35 - May 4 with 5695 views | GeoffSentence |
How can people change position from labour to conservative from one election to the next?
They are so diametrically opposed that it seems completely bizarre to me. I can understand say switching from labour to Greens say, or from either to UKIP if the EU is the biggest issue that worries them to switch from thinking "I believe in good public services and am prepared to pay higher tax for them" ** to "I want lower taxes and am prepared to accept poorer public services as the cost" ** seems completely odd to me.
** party outlooks grossly simplified for brevity. |  |
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| Floating Voters on 15:38 - May 4 with 2976 views | artsbossbeard |
I don't understand floating voters for this very reason but accept that there are plenty out there. All a bit weird if you ask me.
I'll only ever vote for one party and would rather chop of my old chap than vote for the other. |  |
| Please note: prior to hitting the post button, I've double checked for anything that could be construed as "Anti Semitic" and to the best of my knowledge it isn't. Anything deemed to be of a Xenophobic nature is therefore purely accidental or down to your own misconstruing. | | Poll: | Raining in IP8 - shall I get the washing in? |
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| Floating Voters on 15:40 - May 4 with 2955 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Because blindly supporting the same group ignoring their recent policies and/or current leader as though they are your football team isn't the way to vote.
In my opinion. |  |
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| Floating Voters on 15:42 - May 4 with 2936 views | hype313 |
The parties have dramatically changed though so it's easier for people to not be so partisan, the current Tory party is a million miles away from traditional conservatism, look at the difference between Labour in the past 20 years.
Younger voters are not so entrenched/tribal like the older generation, maybe because it's easier to see party policies and more MP's are in the public eye. |  |
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| Floating Voters on 15:45 - May 4 with 2918 views | GeoffSentence |
| Floating Voters on 15:40 - May 4 by The_Romford_Blue |
Because blindly supporting the same group ignoring their recent policies and/or current leader as though they are your football team isn't the way to vote.
In my opinion. |
Yeah, that's fine, and I can understand switching between parties with ideas that overlap or are close, but to flip back and forth between two parties whose ideas are completely different just says to me that you haven't got a clue. | |
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| Floating Voters on 15:50 - May 4 with 2896 views | GavTWTD |
I think it's because of *how* you vote.
Do you vote for:
a) the leader - ie the person you want to become prime minister.
b) the policies of the party
c) local issues and your local candidate that will/has done most for your area
d) tactically - to prevent someone else from becoming leader/local MP
Depending on whether you vote a) b) c) or d) will dictate who you vote for each time, and may result to you being a floater if not b). |  |
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| Floating Voters on 15:50 - May 4 with 2890 views | King_of_Portman_Rd |
| Floating Voters on 15:45 - May 4 by GeoffSentence |
Yeah, that's fine, and I can understand switching between parties with ideas that overlap or are close, but to flip back and forth between two parties whose ideas are completely different just says to me that you haven't got a clue. |
Or that the Political Parties haven't got a clue.. |  | | |
| Floating Voters on 15:52 - May 4 with 2873 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Floating Voters on 15:45 - May 4 by GeoffSentence |
Yeah, that's fine, and I can understand switching between parties with ideas that overlap or are close, but to flip back and forth between two parties whose ideas are completely different just says to me that you haven't got a clue. |
Most people, no matter how socially conscious they are, want to know that they are going to be able to feed the family and pay their bills. |  |
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| Floating Voters on 16:04 - May 4 with 2825 views | GeoffSentence |
| Floating Voters on 15:52 - May 4 by GlasgowBlue |
Most people, no matter how socially conscious they are, want to know that they are going to be able to feed the family and pay their bills. |
Maybe, but that doesn't explain why in 2015 they think that one approach will be the one to provide all that and in 2017 the complete opposite approach is the one they favour, even if they think that previous choice is not up to much. | |
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| Floating Voters on 16:07 - May 4 with 2805 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Floating Voters on 16:04 - May 4 by GeoffSentence |
Maybe, but that doesn't explain why in 2015 they think that one approach will be the one to provide all that and in 2017 the complete opposite approach is the one they favour, even if they think that previous choice is not up to much. |
Because Ed Miliband, for all of his faults, had more credibility than Corbyn. | |
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| Floating Voters on 16:14 - May 4 with 2776 views | GeoffSentence |
| Floating Voters on 16:07 - May 4 by GlasgowBlue |
Because Ed Miliband, for all of his faults, had more credibility than Corbyn. |
In which case it would make sense to switch vote to someone else but with a closer political outlook, not perform a complete volte face.
I guess we can learn from this that actually, party policies are not the main reason for voting a particular way for some people. And in fact for some voters they probably don't have much impact at all. | |
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| Floating Voters on 16:15 - May 4 with 2770 views | J2BLUE |
'They are so diametrically opposed'
They are now. Remember the Labour voters on here upset that Labour had abandoned the middle ground? I don't think the current situation has always been the case.
Brexit is also blurring lines. For some leave voters getting out of the EU is all that matters. For me, other issues are more important than Brexit so i'm voting Labour. [Post edited 4 May 2017 16:15]
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| Floating Voters on 16:16 - May 4 with 2758 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Floating Voters on 16:15 - May 4 by J2BLUE |
'They are so diametrically opposed'
They are now. Remember the Labour voters on here upset that Labour had abandoned the middle ground? I don't think the current situation has always been the case.
Brexit is also blurring lines. For some leave voters getting out of the EU is all that matters. For me, other issues are more important than Brexit so i'm voting Labour. [Post edited 4 May 2017 16:15]
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I thought you were voting Labour because you wanted a better opposition. Not a Labour government?
Did you check out Corbyn's rap sheet from an independent source yet? | |
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| Floating Voters on 16:19 - May 4 with 2738 views | TLA |
| Floating Voters on 15:42 - May 4 by hype313 |
The parties have dramatically changed though so it's easier for people to not be so partisan, the current Tory party is a million miles away from traditional conservatism, look at the difference between Labour in the past 20 years.
Younger voters are not so entrenched/tribal like the older generation, maybe because it's easier to see party policies and more MP's are in the public eye. |
There's no doubt that parties and MPs are open to more scrutiny. However, isn't the change in employment and community the biggest reason that people are not so aligned to a party? I have friends who are very working class who vote Tory as they are the party that speaks for them. Thirty years ago, they would be Labour to the core.
Personally, I like seeing a difference between the parties - I'd pay more taxes (with some reassurances about how they would be spent) and choose to work in a way that does some social good. However, I don't have kids etc. so maybe I can be more outward looking than people who have priorities closer to home. |  | | |
| Floating Voters on 16:20 - May 4 with 2738 views | J2BLUE |
| Floating Voters on 16:16 - May 4 by GlasgowBlue |
I thought you were voting Labour because you wanted a better opposition. Not a Labour government?
Did you check out Corbyn's rap sheet from an independent source yet? |
Better opposition is the more realistic aim but i'd be perfectly happy with a Labour government.
I haven't yet, no. I forgot all about it. I will certainly do that though.
If the Tories matched 1-2 of Labour's policies i'd consider switching. If any major party promised to look seriously at a universal income i'd have a serious look at them as well as I like the idea. | |
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| Floating Voters on 16:23 - May 4 with 2723 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Floating Voters on 16:20 - May 4 by J2BLUE |
Better opposition is the more realistic aim but i'd be perfectly happy with a Labour government.
I haven't yet, no. I forgot all about it. I will certainly do that though.
If the Tories matched 1-2 of Labour's policies i'd consider switching. If any major party promised to look seriously at a universal income i'd have a serious look at them as well as I like the idea. |
The policies you support haven't been costed. Corbyn has used the cut in corporation tax to pay for 13 different pledges. This is magic money tree economics.
Surely Abbot's Police pay debacle has cast doubt in your mind that they won't be able to deliver on what they promise? | |
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| Floating Voters on 16:29 - May 4 with 2696 views | Archer4721 |
| Floating Voters on 15:52 - May 4 by GlasgowBlue |
Most people, no matter how socially conscious they are, want to know that they are going to be able to feed the family and pay their bills. |
Well if that were the case Labour would win every time! |  | | |
| Floating Voters on 17:45 - May 4 with 2602 views | jas0999 |
| Floating Voters on 15:38 - May 4 by artsbossbeard |
I don't understand floating voters for this very reason but accept that there are plenty out there. All a bit weird if you ask me.
I'll only ever vote for one party and would rather chop of my old chap than vote for the other. |
I'm one of those! I tend to have an open mind and listen to all sides before making a decision. However, at this election, because it's been called earlier than the five years I thought I'd voted for last time, my vote will be the same.
Leaders and MPs (candidates) change from one election to the next, so I personally like to see who is representing me locally and the likely PM before voting. [Post edited 4 May 2017 17:47]
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| Floating Voters on 18:49 - May 4 with 2532 views | stantheman |
| Floating Voters on 15:38 - May 4 by artsbossbeard |
I don't understand floating voters for this very reason but accept that there are plenty out there. All a bit weird if you ask me.
I'll only ever vote for one party and would rather chop of my old chap than vote for the other. |
What if you do not agree with their policies in their manifesto or they are lead by someone who you think is not up to the job. Not pointing at any party in particular but I have swopped my vote in those cases. |  | | |
| Floating Voters on 20:05 - May 4 with 2484 views | artsbossbeard |
| Floating Voters on 18:49 - May 4 by stantheman |
What if you do not agree with their policies in their manifesto or they are lead by someone who you think is not up to the job. Not pointing at any party in particular but I have swopped my vote in those cases. |
The policies in the manifesto should go hand in hand with the core values of said party, so I don't see that as a particular issue although I agree on the leader argument.
I then take a look at the oppo leader, realise what a self serving, morally corrupt individual they are and carry on as normal. | |
| Please note: prior to hitting the post button, I've double checked for anything that could be construed as "Anti Semitic" and to the best of my knowledge it isn't. Anything deemed to be of a Xenophobic nature is therefore purely accidental or down to your own misconstruing. | | Poll: | Raining in IP8 - shall I get the washing in? |
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| Floating Voters on 20:25 - May 4 with 2440 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
| Floating Voters on 16:15 - May 4 by J2BLUE |
'They are so diametrically opposed'
They are now. Remember the Labour voters on here upset that Labour had abandoned the middle ground? I don't think the current situation has always been the case.
Brexit is also blurring lines. For some leave voters getting out of the EU is all that matters. For me, other issues are more important than Brexit so i'm voting Labour. [Post edited 4 May 2017 16:15]
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It is everyones human right to be given a free house and £30k PA income as soon as they turn 16. That applies to everyone, everyone all over the World. |  | | |
| Floating Voters on 20:30 - May 4 with 2421 views | J2BLUE |
| Floating Voters on 20:25 - May 4 by FrowsyArmLarry |
It is everyones human right to be given a free house and £30k PA income as soon as they turn 16. That applies to everyone, everyone all over the World. |
What are you talking about? | |
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| Floating Voters on 20:36 - May 4 with 2405 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Floating Voters on 20:30 - May 4 by J2BLUE |
What are you talking about? |
I believe he is demonstrating that you can say anything that will appeal without actually having to cost it.
I'll throw in free season tickets to all 18-30 year olds. | |
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| Floating Voters on 20:45 - May 4 with 2386 views | J2BLUE |
| Floating Voters on 20:36 - May 4 by GlasgowBlue |
I believe he is demonstrating that you can say anything that will appeal without actually having to cost it.
I'll throw in free season tickets to all 18-30 year olds. |
To be fair he speaks so much rubbish you never know what point he's trying to make.
I'm not asking for massive giveaways. | |
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| Floating Voters on 20:53 - May 4 with 2368 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
I voted Conservative last time, but our MP has turned out to be an absolute C Unit so this time I'm voting Lib Dem.
Its not just about the national interest. |  |
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| Floating Voters on 20:58 - May 4 with 2356 views | GeoffSentence |
| Floating Voters on 20:53 - May 4 by Cheltenham_Blue |
I voted Conservative last time, but our MP has turned out to be an absolute C Unit so this time I'm voting Lib Dem.
Its not just about the national interest. |
But you haven't switched from Conservative to Labour which is what I was asking about. | |
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