| Ironic or what? 23:06 - Jun 4 with 8195 views | stantheman |
So a young Islamic woman on the news says "what these people do not want is integration with British society" whilst wearing full hiyab. |  | | |  |
| Ironic or what? on 23:10 - Jun 4 with 4042 views | J2BLUE |
So? How does that affect integrating with society? Do we reject her as part of society and give the extremists what they want? |  |
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| Ironic or what? on 23:13 - Jun 4 with 4013 views | stantheman |
| Ironic or what? on 23:10 - Jun 4 by J2BLUE |
So? How does that affect integrating with society? Do we reject her as part of society and give the extremists what they want? |
Of course not but does she not portray what is wrong with what she was trying to put over. | | | |
| Ironic or what? on 23:13 - Jun 4 with 4009 views | blue_oyster |
| Ironic or what? on 23:10 - Jun 4 by J2BLUE |
So? How does that affect integrating with society? Do we reject her as part of society and give the extremists what they want? |
At least it saves the effort of having to tell her not to show her face around these parts again. |  |
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| Ironic or what? on 23:13 - Jun 4 with 4021 views | Darth_Koont |
Isn't the hijab part of British society by now? Like a sari, sikh turban or a yarmulke. If not, why not?
Integration works both ways. |  |
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| Ironic or what? on 23:16 - Jun 4 with 3986 views | MJallday |
I can only presume you are watching al jezerra , not john cravens newsround? |  |
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| Ironic or what? on 23:22 - Jun 4 with 3936 views | stantheman |
| Ironic or what? on 23:13 - Jun 4 by Darth_Koont |
Isn't the hijab part of British society by now? Like a sari, sikh turban or a yarmulke. If not, why not?
Integration works both ways. |
All I am saying it is ironic not wrong. | | | |
| Ironic or what? on 23:22 - Jun 4 with 3943 views | Ryorry |
| Ironic or what? on 23:13 - Jun 4 by Darth_Koont |
Isn't the hijab part of British society by now? Like a sari, sikh turban or a yarmulke. If not, why not?
Integration works both ways. |
Have to say I feel uncomfortable with it. Nothing to do with religion or race, but down to totally concealed ID - I'd feel the same if it were white men walking around with balaclavas on. [Post edited 4 Jun 2017 23:23]
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| Ironic or what? on 23:28 - Jun 4 with 3891 views | stantheman |
| Ironic or what? on 23:26 - Jun 4 by Guthrum |
The hijab is just a headscarf, leaves the face fully exposed. It's the niqab you're thinking of, with a veil hiding the features.
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Yep, well done, that is what she was wearing. | | | |
| Ironic or what? on 23:32 - Jun 4 with 3869 views | Ryorry |
| Ironic or what? on 23:26 - Jun 4 by Guthrum |
The hijab is just a headscarf, leaves the face fully exposed. It's the niqab you're thinking of, with a veil hiding the features.
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You obviously didn't see the clip, as it was a niqab that she was wearing. | |
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| Ironic or what? on 23:33 - Jun 4 with 3859 views | Darth_Koont |
| Ironic or what? on 23:22 - Jun 4 by Ryorry |
Have to say I feel uncomfortable with it. Nothing to do with religion or race, but down to totally concealed ID - I'd feel the same if it were white men walking around with balaclavas on. [Post edited 4 Jun 2017 23:23]
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Do you mean a niqab or a burka? That's another issue - although still one that needs some care rather than assuming it's the same as a man in a balaclava. | |
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| Ironic or what? on 23:34 - Jun 4 with 3852 views | MJallday |
| Ironic or what? on 23:28 - Jun 4 by stantheman |
Yep, well done, that is what she was wearing. |
I know its disrespectful, but that last one....
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| Ironic or what? on 23:34 - Jun 4 with 3850 views | imsureazzure |
| Ironic or what? on 23:13 - Jun 4 by Darth_Koont |
Isn't the hijab part of British society by now? Like a sari, sikh turban or a yarmulke. If not, why not?
Integration works both ways. |
Other rules for women under Islam? Are they part of current British culture?
You are trying too hard now. |  | | |
| Ironic or what? on 23:35 - Jun 4 with 3830 views | Darth_Koont |
| Ironic or what? on 23:34 - Jun 4 by imsureazzure |
Other rules for women under Islam? Are they part of current British culture?
You are trying too hard now. |
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| Ironic or what? on 23:35 - Jun 4 with 3832 views | stantheman |
| Ironic or what? on 23:33 - Jun 4 by Darth_Koont |
Do you mean a niqab or a burka? That's another issue - although still one that needs some care rather than assuming it's the same as a man in a balaclava. |
It was a niqab. Ironic as I said re intergration. | | | |
| Ironic or what? on 23:36 - Jun 4 with 3820 views | Ryorry |
| Ironic or what? on 23:33 - Jun 4 by Darth_Koont |
Do you mean a niqab or a burka? That's another issue - although still one that needs some care rather than assuming it's the same as a man in a balaclava. |
It was a burka* that was worn by the woman on the news clip.
I couldn't think of any similar item worn by white people except nuns' habits, which don't fit the bill because they still have their faces on view, therefore I used balaclavas to get the point across.
*Edit for clarification - full length but with a niqab opening for her eyes, so a kind of combination - don't know if that has a different name. [Post edited 4 Jun 2017 23:44]
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| Ironic or what? on 23:40 - Jun 4 with 3794 views | factual_blue |
| Ironic or what? on 23:35 - Jun 4 by stantheman |
It was a niqab. Ironic as I said re intergration. |
Why does wearing an item of clothing that has religious significance to the wearer and others of their faith mean they aren't 'integrated'? [Post edited 4 Jun 2017 23:42]
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| Ironic or what? on 23:43 - Jun 4 with 3776 views | RoyKeanesDog |
| Ironic or what? on 23:35 - Jun 4 by stantheman |
It was a niqab. Ironic as I said re intergration. |
Please google the word ironic. |  |
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| Ironic or what? on 23:55 - Jun 4 with 3714 views | vapour_trail |
| Ironic or what? on 23:26 - Jun 4 by Guthrum |
The hijab is just a headscarf, leaves the face fully exposed. It's the niqab you're thinking of, with a veil hiding the features.
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All four are on show in tooting where I spent a good few years. I found the niqab pretty uncomfortable to begin with, but through having to interact at nursery and school, got used to it. Eye contact is quite intense.
Never liked talking to anyone with a burka, albeit there were very few of those around. |  |
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| Ironic or what? on 00:07 - Jun 5 with 3670 views | Ryorry |
| Ironic or what? on 23:50 - Jun 4 by Darth_Koont |
I have issues with the niqab and burka if there is evidence that it's not a free choice. But if it's inherently their choice then I don't see a problem. In this country, we give people the freedom to obscure their features as they wish.
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Bikers aren't forced to remove their helmets except in banks etc of course - doesn't make me feel any more comfortable where they keep them on, but in practice most don't, or only do so for very short periods of time.
Paul Nuttall & QT audience have just started discussing this btw - according to him, Germany, Belgium, Austria are about to ban the burka/niqab, and France already have. | |
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| Ironic or what? on 00:53 - Jun 5 with 3589 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Ironic or what? on 23:55 - Jun 4 by vapour_trail |
All four are on show in tooting where I spent a good few years. I found the niqab pretty uncomfortable to begin with, but through having to interact at nursery and school, got used to it. Eye contact is quite intense.
Never liked talking to anyone with a burka, albeit there were very few of those around. |
Is the Burkha actually see through or is It more like a blindfold? |  |
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| Ironic or what? on 01:13 - Jun 5 with 3571 views | Guthrum |
| Ironic or what? on 23:32 - Jun 4 by Ryorry |
You obviously didn't see the clip, as it was a niqab that she was wearing. |
No, I just went by the OP's description.
And was being pedantic about terminology. |  |
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| Ironic or what? on 03:08 - Jun 5 with 3524 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Ironic or what? on 23:10 - Jun 4 by J2BLUE |
So? How does that affect integrating with society? Do we reject her as part of society and give the extremists what they want? |
People keep saying "it's what the extremists want", but I've ever heard an extremist say anything of the sort.
Generally, they shout Allahu Akbar and then get shot dead or kill themselves. One of the Woolwich attackers, a very polite man with a London accent, found time to give a full interview, but said his actions were as a result of British intervention overseas.
It's a bit like when George Bush told the world that the 911 attackers were jealous of our freedoms, and that we shouldn't allow them to change our freedoms. Then the Patriot Act was introduced which had a massive impact on America's freedoms.
I think if we're to defeat this evil ideology, it's important to know as much about them as possible rather than just parroting stuff that was thrown into the echo chamber.
Have I missed a statement from ISIS declaring what they want?
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