| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. 09:38 - Mar 16 with 3019 views | ArnieM |
Who is the real culprit in all this ! |  |
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| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 10:27 - Mar 16 with 2988 views | factual_blue |
Blame Putin. |  |
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| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 11:27 - Mar 16 with 2971 views | homer_123 |
| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 10:27 - Mar 16 by factual_blue |
Blame Putin. |
Fake news. |  |
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| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 11:43 - Mar 16 with 2971 views | itfcjoe |
I don't disagree - but reality is it's a lot easier to change your manager than the owner.
For all Evans faults, unless someone has £500k a month to pay the bills we are wedded to him |  |
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| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 12:01 - Mar 16 with 2952 views | PhilTWTD |
| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 11:43 - Mar 16 by itfcjoe |
I don't disagree - but reality is it's a lot easier to change your manager than the owner.
For all Evans faults, unless someone has £500k a month to pay the bills we are wedded to him |
This is the crux of the matter really, isn't it? For all MM and ME's faults, the overriding problem is the division becoming so much richer around us. We are, unfortunately, one of the losers from the way the division has developed in the last few seasons. |  | | |
| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 12:03 - Mar 16 with 2940 views | No9 |
| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 11:43 - Mar 16 by itfcjoe |
I don't disagree - but reality is it's a lot easier to change your manager than the owner.
For all Evans faults, unless someone has £500k a month to pay the bills we are wedded to him |
That is the issue isn't it?
If the Owner won't sell & or ther is no buyer = we are stuck with what we have |  | | |
| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 12:04 - Mar 16 with 2939 views | SouperJim |
| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 12:01 - Mar 16 by PhilTWTD |
This is the crux of the matter really, isn't it? For all MM and ME's faults, the overriding problem is the division becoming so much richer around us. We are, unfortunately, one of the losers from the way the division has developed in the last few seasons. |
It's also much easier to vent your frustrations at the very visible manager, rather than the invisible owner. I mean what do we do, shake our fists at the sky? |  |
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| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 12:17 - Mar 16 with 2917 views | Townly |
Name anybody likely to be interested in funding our annual loss then.
Take on the debt.
Pie in the sky thinking.
Evans's best hope is to strike lucky with his next manager.
This could go either way. | | | |
| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 12:38 - Mar 16 with 2902 views | PhilTWTD |
| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 12:04 - Mar 16 by SouperJim |
It's also much easier to vent your frustrations at the very visible manager, rather than the invisible owner. I mean what do we do, shake our fists at the sky? |
I think the frustrations with Mick are as much to do with personality issues as much as football either in terms of style or success, certainly now. Obviously, people can't have personality issues with someone who has no profile. | | | |
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| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 12:44 - Mar 16 with 2886 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 12:01 - Mar 16 by PhilTWTD |
This is the crux of the matter really, isn't it? For all MM and ME's faults, the overriding problem is the division becoming so much richer around us. We are, unfortunately, one of the losers from the way the division has developed in the last few seasons. |
Less a case of the division moving away from us and more a case of us not keeping up with the division imo. We were in a reasonably healthy spot relative to others when ME came in and started spending. A succession of bad decisions has resulted in our growing distance from those nearer the top. No we don't have parachute payments, but teams have come from a worse position than us and got promoted to the PL and relegated again all in the time ME has been here. |  |
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| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 12:52 - Mar 16 with 2875 views | PhilTWTD |
| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 12:44 - Mar 16 by Swansea_Blue |
Less a case of the division moving away from us and more a case of us not keeping up with the division imo. We were in a reasonably healthy spot relative to others when ME came in and started spending. A succession of bad decisions has resulted in our growing distance from those nearer the top. No we don't have parachute payments, but teams have come from a worse position than us and got promoted to the PL and relegated again all in the time ME has been here. |
I think ME wasted his chance in the early few seasons when we were one of the division's haves. It's only the last two or three seasons where things have developed in the way they have now to a point where financially we've been left behind to a point where, one presumes, it's too rich for him.
In historical terms our £18m-ish wage bill is huge. Unfortunately, the sums being paid elsewhere are eye-watering, Villa's wage bill was £60m last season, Norwich's £55m, Newcastle's even higher.
But Huddersfield, whose wage bill was lower than ours, illustrated that it is still possible to buck the trend, even if the odds are stacked against it happening. | | | |
| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 12:55 - Mar 16 with 2867 views | StirlingArcher |
| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 12:04 - Mar 16 by SouperJim |
It's also much easier to vent your frustrations at the very visible manager, rather than the invisible owner. I mean what do we do, shake our fists at the sky? |
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| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 12:57 - Mar 16 with 2859 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 12:52 - Mar 16 by PhilTWTD |
I think ME wasted his chance in the early few seasons when we were one of the division's haves. It's only the last two or three seasons where things have developed in the way they have now to a point where financially we've been left behind to a point where, one presumes, it's too rich for him.
In historical terms our £18m-ish wage bill is huge. Unfortunately, the sums being paid elsewhere are eye-watering, Villa's wage bill was £60m last season, Norwich's £55m, Newcastle's even higher.
But Huddersfield, whose wage bill was lower than ours, illustrated that it is still possible to buck the trend, even if the odds are stacked against it happening. |
Yes, I'd agree with that. A window of opportunity wasted early on. With correct decisions when we were financially competitive we could have gone up, and now be in a position to compete with the likes Norwich on wages. Although of course we wouldn't have come straight back down ;-)
It's all about the parachute payments now and we missed that boat to get promoted when there was less of a gap between the have's and have nots.
Of course, there's no guarantee that even had we got things right at the start that we would have gone up. But we would have had a higher chance. | |
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| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 12:58 - Mar 16 with 2858 views | gordon |
| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 12:01 - Mar 16 by PhilTWTD |
This is the crux of the matter really, isn't it? For all MM and ME's faults, the overriding problem is the division becoming so much richer around us. We are, unfortunately, one of the losers from the way the division has developed in the last few seasons. |
The thing I struggle with is that the quality of the communication between the club as a whole and the fans has been absolutely appalling for the last few years, including in that the manager, the managing director and the owner.
It's this which is at the heart of all the confrontation and bitterness; I certainly don't think that 12th in the championship is that much of a disaster, and I think most fans feel the same way. But I do feel completely disconnected from the club, because I genuinely have no idea what they're actually trying to achieve, and what their plan is to achieve it, whatever it is.
And the only thing the manager seems passionate about is talking about how much he loves doing the opposite of what he thinks the fans want him to.
The debates about whether it's ME or MM to blame are moot; there just isn't anyone in the club willing to take ownership of and responsibility for the situation. |  | | |
| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 12:58 - Mar 16 with 2860 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 11:43 - Mar 16 by itfcjoe |
I don't disagree - but reality is it's a lot easier to change your manager than the owner.
For all Evans faults, unless someone has £500k a month to pay the bills we are wedded to him |
Exactly.
People forget that pre Evans we were so skint that BFJ had to pay the teams hotel bill |  |
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| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 14:30 - Mar 16 with 2788 views | Freddy |
Think most of us agree, whats course of action do you suggest then? | | | |
| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 15:31 - Mar 16 with 2766 views | PhilTWTD |
| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 12:58 - Mar 16 by Lord_Lucan |
Exactly.
People forget that pre Evans we were so skint that BFJ had to pay the teams hotel bill |
That's not actually true. Was during administration when the administrator was writing cheques to cover everything and the hotel wanted a further assurance.
 Joe Didn't Pay Bill 17th Mar 2003 09:30Town manager Joe Royle has denied a national newspaper story which claimed he had to pay the club's hotel bill out of his own pocket following the recent away game at Wolves.  0
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| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 15:40 - Mar 16 with 2750 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Focus of discontent actually needs to be redirected toward EVANS. on 12:52 - Mar 16 by PhilTWTD |
I think ME wasted his chance in the early few seasons when we were one of the division's haves. It's only the last two or three seasons where things have developed in the way they have now to a point where financially we've been left behind to a point where, one presumes, it's too rich for him.
In historical terms our £18m-ish wage bill is huge. Unfortunately, the sums being paid elsewhere are eye-watering, Villa's wage bill was £60m last season, Norwich's £55m, Newcastle's even higher.
But Huddersfield, whose wage bill was lower than ours, illustrated that it is still possible to buck the trend, even if the odds are stacked against it happening. |
And for us to afford the £18m+ wage bill, budgets are cut down to a pittance from every other part of the club... you only have to look at the state of the pitch and the ground to see that.
And the longer that lack of maintenance continues, the more expensive it will be to bring everything back to a reasonable standard again. Another short-term false economy. |  |
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