| Surely if a soft brexit deal is done... 10:38 - Nov 25 with 1577 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
...that represents the result of the referendum pretty accurately?! |  |
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| Surely if a soft brexit deal is done... on 10:41 - Nov 25 with 1570 views | Herbivore |
It's arguable whether a deal that leaves nobody happy is a good thing, I get the point you're trying to make though. |  |
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| Surely if a soft brexit deal is done... on 10:44 - Nov 25 with 1559 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Surely if a soft brexit deal is done... on 10:41 - Nov 25 by Herbivore |
It's arguable whether a deal that leaves nobody happy is a good thing, I get the point you're trying to make though. |
I totally agree with you. It was just an observation on what is a fairly sh1t situation. | |
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| Surely if a soft brexit deal is done... on 10:49 - Nov 25 with 1547 views | Ewan_Oozami |
Maybe it does, but the Brexiters didn't keep quiet after 1975, they nearly brought down the Tory govt more than once, Cameron couldn't face them down so he called a badly-thought-out referendum, which the Brexiters took as an invitation to really let rip, the Brexiters "won" the referendum, they didn't shut up then (they wouldn't have stopped even had Remain won), May put together a deal in difficult circumstances, the Brexiters didn't shut up. Even if we'd have got the hardest of Brexits, they wouldn't have stayed quiet although they'd have had nothing to moan about. As it is now, they've loving it at the moment, their raison d'être still exists big time so they're very happy - believe it or not! :-) |  |
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| Surely if a soft brexit deal is done... on 10:51 - Nov 25 with 1536 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Surely if a soft brexit deal is done... on 10:49 - Nov 25 by Ewan_Oozami |
Maybe it does, but the Brexiters didn't keep quiet after 1975, they nearly brought down the Tory govt more than once, Cameron couldn't face them down so he called a badly-thought-out referendum, which the Brexiters took as an invitation to really let rip, the Brexiters "won" the referendum, they didn't shut up then (they wouldn't have stopped even had Remain won), May put together a deal in difficult circumstances, the Brexiters didn't shut up. Even if we'd have got the hardest of Brexits, they wouldn't have stayed quiet although they'd have had nothing to moan about. As it is now, they've loving it at the moment, their raison d'être still exists big time so they're very happy - believe it or not! :-) |
They do love a moan.
They also love to interpret the vote (with no evidence), that those who voted for brexit voted for the hardest of hard brexits. | |
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| Surely if a soft brexit deal is done... on 11:03 - Nov 25 with 1529 views | Lord_Lucan |
The referendum voted Brexit but this isn't Brexit.
This supposed deal is a disaster, it's the worse scenario, it's terrible. |  |
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| Surely if a soft brexit deal is done... on 11:17 - Nov 25 with 1491 views | homer_123 |
The EU must be delighted.
Well done to the Tory party, they've utterly ruined us. |  |
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| Surely if a soft brexit deal is done... on 11:26 - Nov 25 with 1484 views | Darth_Koont |
Yes. But we've been trapped in the government's internal wranglings with its own party where the options have been presented as a hard Brexit deal or no deal.
It was always going to come down to a damage limitation exercise of a soft Brexit with even less control and more cost than before. And the obvious conclusion that Brexit is just an awful idea in practice, however well the talk of a "red, white and blue Brexit" plays to the voting public. May and her cabinet had every opportunity to push the current realistic assessment in the immediate aftermath of the referendum. But we've been hoodwinked by an intellectually and morally bereft political class who can't see beyond their own personal and party ambitions.
What an awful waste of time this has been — and what a waste of space our politicians are. Even before it is unsatisfactorily resolved the whole Brexit shenanigans has already damaged our economic future and reputation overseas. |  |
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| Surely if a soft brexit deal is done... on 11:37 - Nov 25 with 1456 views | homer_123 |
| Surely if a soft brexit deal is done... on 11:26 - Nov 25 by Darth_Koont |
Yes. But we've been trapped in the government's internal wranglings with its own party where the options have been presented as a hard Brexit deal or no deal.
It was always going to come down to a damage limitation exercise of a soft Brexit with even less control and more cost than before. And the obvious conclusion that Brexit is just an awful idea in practice, however well the talk of a "red, white and blue Brexit" plays to the voting public. May and her cabinet had every opportunity to push the current realistic assessment in the immediate aftermath of the referendum. But we've been hoodwinked by an intellectually and morally bereft political class who can't see beyond their own personal and party ambitions.
What an awful waste of time this has been — and what a waste of space our politicians are. Even before it is unsatisfactorily resolved the whole Brexit shenanigans has already damaged our economic future and reputation overseas. |
I would just say that it is, or at least should be, 'healthy' to continually assess, review and discuss our EU membership.
What does membership mean, where is the EU heading, how do we fit in et al. We shouldn't blindly carry on regardless.
The issue though that for 40 years it's a topic that can't be discussed and debated rationally and certainly not by members of the Tory party. | |
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| Surely if a soft brexit deal is done... on 11:41 - Nov 25 with 1440 views | Darth_Koont |
| Surely if a soft brexit deal is done... on 11:37 - Nov 25 by homer_123 |
I would just say that it is, or at least should be, 'healthy' to continually assess, review and discuss our EU membership.
What does membership mean, where is the EU heading, how do we fit in et al. We shouldn't blindly carry on regardless.
The issue though that for 40 years it's a topic that can't be discussed and debated rationally and certainly not by members of the Tory party. |
Agreed. I think the emphasis is on rational discussion of the EU, its strengths/weaknesses and our role in future. Something that's been completely absent from our politicians and media for decades.
We're paying the price for our collective ignorance now. | |
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| Surely if a soft brexit deal is done... on 12:15 - Nov 25 with 1378 views | Mullet |
If we get £350m a week for the NHS. Lower taxes, free stuff and less immigrants then it will. |  |
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| Surely if a soft brexit deal is done... on 14:58 - Nov 25 with 1282 views | Steve_M |
This isn't a 'soft' Brexit, it's an agreement predicted on the one thing that May wants which is to stop foreigners coming into this country. It is a bit better than crashing out without a deal which would be devastating economically but this will still do a lot of damage and make people poorer. |  |
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| Surely if a soft brexit deal is done... on 15:17 - Nov 25 with 1250 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Surely if a soft brexit deal is done... on 11:03 - Nov 25 by Lord_Lucan |
The referendum voted Brexit but this isn't Brexit.
This supposed deal is a disaster, it's the worse scenario, it's terrible. |
Not sure why anyone can call it a soft Brexit, as you say it is no Brexit at all.
Suppose May thinks bringing the immigration bill forward, was supposed to go before parliament after new year, will give the impression we have retained control of our borders. This will keep a few waiverers happy but still can't see her getting the Brexit bill through HoC.
There is going to be a lot of misinformation in the next two weeks. |  |
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| Surely if a soft brexit deal is done... on 15:21 - Nov 25 with 1234 views | Darth_Koont |
| Surely if a soft brexit deal is done... on 11:03 - Nov 25 by Lord_Lucan |
The referendum voted Brexit but this isn't Brexit.
This supposed deal is a disaster, it's the worse scenario, it's terrible. |
Brexit is leaving the EU. That's it. Anything else (also leaving the EEA and the Customs Union etc.) is a question of interpretation and discussion.
Let's not forget that pre-referendum Mr anti-EU himself, Farage was talking to anyone who would listen about the Norway option. | |
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| Surely if a soft brexit deal is done... on 15:54 - Nov 25 with 1197 views | Steve_M |
| Surely if a soft brexit deal is done... on 15:17 - Nov 25 by Pinewoodblue |
Not sure why anyone can call it a soft Brexit, as you say it is no Brexit at all.
Suppose May thinks bringing the immigration bill forward, was supposed to go before parliament after new year, will give the impression we have retained control of our borders. This will keep a few waiverers happy but still can't see her getting the Brexit bill through HoC.
There is going to be a lot of misinformation in the next two weeks. |
It most definitely is Brexit. We'll be out of the Single Market which will cause enormous disruption to large parts of the economy, I - and everybody else - will lose the right to free movement within the EU.
The loons of the ERG seem to have successfully defined proper Brexit as crashing out without a deal of any kind whereas the referendum question merely asked about leaving the EU. This we most definitely will be doing unless something major changes very quickly. EEA membership, which would in my opinion have been a sensible compromise back in 2016, is still leaving the EU - Norway are definitely not a member. | |
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| Surely if a soft brexit deal is done... on 17:45 - Nov 25 with 1112 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Surely if a soft brexit deal is done... on 15:54 - Nov 25 by Steve_M |
It most definitely is Brexit. We'll be out of the Single Market which will cause enormous disruption to large parts of the economy, I - and everybody else - will lose the right to free movement within the EU.
The loons of the ERG seem to have successfully defined proper Brexit as crashing out without a deal of any kind whereas the referendum question merely asked about leaving the EU. This we most definitely will be doing unless something major changes very quickly. EEA membership, which would in my opinion have been a sensible compromise back in 2016, is still leaving the EU - Norway are definitely not a member. |
Only when a trade deal is negotiated and agreed by the 27 plus the regions of Belgium . We already know France wants the same access for its fishermen to UK waters as they have now. We know Spain will only agree if s Gibraltar agreement is reached giving joint sovereignty to UK and Spain .
Many others of the 27 will want special arrangements of one sort of another.
All this talk of the last, and very best deal is total nonsense as we don't actually start trade negotiations until after 29 March.
We are stuck in the EU come what may. | |
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