| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 16:16 - Apr 15 with 3305 views | Chutney |
I don't see what cancelling the season would do to support them with financial problems? |  | |  |
| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 16:19 - Apr 15 with 3292 views | Hipsterectomy |
| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 16:16 - Apr 15 by Chutney |
I don't see what cancelling the season would do to support them with financial problems? |
No idea, the majority of clubs are advocating the season to end.
"The measures they have called for include the cancellation of the 2019-2020 season, with many believing there is no prospect of games being played in front of fans until 2021, meaning that the gate receipts they require to stay afloat won't be forthcoming."
Maybe they can rip up contracts if the season is over. |  |
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| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 16:28 - Apr 15 with 3254 views | peterleeblue |
Not sure how deep Marcus's pockets are but by the looks of it certainly we cant survive longer than another 3 months. |  | | |
| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 17:02 - Apr 15 with 3171 views | monytowbray |
And like that the Football bubble burst.
It’s not just EFL clubs at risk. The Premier League need to pull their fingers out and support those lower down.
It’s almost as if modern football is a mini example of the dying breaths disaster capitalism.
If the game does survive this it needs SERIOUS reforms. |  |
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| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 17:09 - Apr 15 with 3157 views | Hipsterectomy |
| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 17:02 - Apr 15 by monytowbray |
And like that the Football bubble burst.
It’s not just EFL clubs at risk. The Premier League need to pull their fingers out and support those lower down.
It’s almost as if modern football is a mini example of the dying breaths disaster capitalism.
If the game does survive this it needs SERIOUS reforms. |
I can see clubs next season, from the Championship below, using primarily their youth team, maybe senior pros on a pay if you play deal and then/if the situation improves start signing senior pros on short-term contracts.
Maybe we'll win the league next year with our under 21s | |
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| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 18:40 - Apr 15 with 3026 views | Guthrum |
| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 17:02 - Apr 15 by monytowbray |
And like that the Football bubble burst.
It’s not just EFL clubs at risk. The Premier League need to pull their fingers out and support those lower down.
It’s almost as if modern football is a mini example of the dying breaths disaster capitalism.
If the game does survive this it needs SERIOUS reforms. |
Altho it also shows how deeply attitudes were entrenched. It's taken a global pandemic to get many people to thinking seriously about the financial state the sport had got itself into. |  |
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| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 18:43 - Apr 15 with 3015 views | pointofblue |
| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 16:16 - Apr 15 by Chutney |
I don't see what cancelling the season would do to support them with financial problems? |
I guess it’d mean they can cease end of season loans and not have to prolong contracts due to expire in June.
Again there’s a broadside at the players for not appreciating the situation. | |
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| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 18:58 - Apr 15 with 2974 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 18:43 - Apr 15 by pointofblue |
I guess it’d mean they can cease end of season loans and not have to prolong contracts due to expire in June.
Again there’s a broadside at the players for not appreciating the situation. |
I'd imagine a lot of those players are probably on no more than a couple of grand a week. | | | |
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| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 18:59 - Apr 15 with 2974 views | Hipsterectomy |
What would happen with Leeds, Coventry etc? Could they be deemed 'champions' in the history books yet not be promoted?
It would be the most Leeds thing ever if it happened. | |
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| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 19:03 - Apr 15 with 2963 views | pointofblue |
| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 18:59 - Apr 15 by Hipsterectomy |
What would happen with Leeds, Coventry etc? Could they be deemed 'champions' in the history books yet not be promoted?
It would be the most Leeds thing ever if it happened. |
A proposal I read is some kind of formula to work out each table for the end of the season so promotion and relegation can still go ahead. | |
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| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 19:06 - Apr 15 with 2955 views | Herbivore |
| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 18:58 - Apr 15 by tractorboy1978 |
I'd imagine a lot of those players are probably on no more than a couple of grand a week. |
However are they getting by on £100k plus a year? |  |
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| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 19:20 - Apr 15 with 2909 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 17:09 - Apr 15 by Hipsterectomy |
I can see clubs next season, from the Championship below, using primarily their youth team, maybe senior pros on a pay if you play deal and then/if the situation improves start signing senior pros on short-term contracts.
Maybe we'll win the league next year with our under 21s |
What about the players who have a contract that includes next season? |  |
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| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 19:22 - Apr 15 with 2905 views | Basuco |
| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 19:03 - Apr 15 by pointofblue |
A proposal I read is some kind of formula to work out each table for the end of the season so promotion and relegation can still go ahead. |
Under the Duckworth-Lewis system Town would be in second place and promoted, def info. |  | | |
| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 19:25 - Apr 15 with 2895 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 19:06 - Apr 15 by Herbivore |
However are they getting by on £100k plus a year? |
That article says clubs need them to take an over 50% pay cut. At the top end of 'up to £2k a week' and assuming even 50% (and many will be on less) you are talking dropping from £104k to £52k. Many people on this board will be earning more than that and they aren't tied into mortgages over 10 years (which a lot of footballers are). [Post edited 15 Apr 2020 19:25]
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| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 19:43 - Apr 15 with 2848 views | pointofblue |
| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 19:25 - Apr 15 by tractorboy1978 |
That article says clubs need them to take an over 50% pay cut. At the top end of 'up to £2k a week' and assuming even 50% (and many will be on less) you are talking dropping from £104k to £52k. Many people on this board will be earning more than that and they aren't tied into mortgages over 10 years (which a lot of footballers are). [Post edited 15 Apr 2020 19:25]
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Many on this board will be earning more than £50k a year???
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| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 19:45 - Apr 15 with 2840 views | TractorWood |
| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 17:02 - Apr 15 by monytowbray |
And like that the Football bubble burst.
It’s not just EFL clubs at risk. The Premier League need to pull their fingers out and support those lower down.
It’s almost as if modern football is a mini example of the dying breaths disaster capitalism.
If the game does survive this it needs SERIOUS reforms. |
They have to be publicly called out to treat their own staff equitably so there is little chance for Shrewsbury. [Post edited 15 Apr 2020 20:01]
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| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 19:45 - Apr 15 with 2840 views | gainsboroughblue |
| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 19:43 - Apr 15 by pointofblue |
Many on this board will be earning more than £50k a year???
Have I ever told any of you how much I love you all? |
I don't even earn half of that. |  |
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| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 19:54 - Apr 15 with 2820 views | Herbivore |
| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 19:25 - Apr 15 by tractorboy1978 |
That article says clubs need them to take an over 50% pay cut. At the top end of 'up to £2k a week' and assuming even 50% (and many will be on less) you are talking dropping from £104k to £52k. Many people on this board will be earning more than that and they aren't tied into mortgages over 10 years (which a lot of footballers are). [Post edited 15 Apr 2020 19:25]
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I find it hard to have loads of sympathy for someone who can take a 50% pay cut and still be earning more than double what a nurse earns and double the national average income. If they have a mortgage they can take a mortgage holiday like many others are. I'll save my sympathy for those who are genuinely hit hard by this. | |
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| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 21:14 - Apr 15 with 2702 views | Chrisd |
| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 17:02 - Apr 15 by monytowbray |
And like that the Football bubble burst.
It’s not just EFL clubs at risk. The Premier League need to pull their fingers out and support those lower down.
It’s almost as if modern football is a mini example of the dying breaths disaster capitalism.
If the game does survive this it needs SERIOUS reforms. |
When clubs are spending in excess of 100% of their turnover on player’s wages then it’s no surprise it will eventually come crashing down. No other business would operate in this fashion or survive. Perhaps this is exactly what football needs? Give it an injection of reality because the numbers that are banded about the game in regards to transfer fees, player’s wages, agent’s fees etc are just ludicrous. Football needs to press the reset button and this might just provide that opportunity. | |
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| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 05:42 - Apr 16 with 2487 views | Hipsterectomy |
| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 21:14 - Apr 15 by Chrisd |
When clubs are spending in excess of 100% of their turnover on player’s wages then it’s no surprise it will eventually come crashing down. No other business would operate in this fashion or survive. Perhaps this is exactly what football needs? Give it an injection of reality because the numbers that are banded about the game in regards to transfer fees, player’s wages, agent’s fees etc are just ludicrous. Football needs to press the reset button and this might just provide that opportunity. |
Sky Sports literally have celebrations during the summer transfer window for breaking the net-spend £100 mill total, the £500 mill total, over £1 billion total. They regularly compare how great English football is in terms of spend with other European leagues. They even get weirdly proud when the Championship is in the top 5/6 spending leagues in the world. | |
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| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 06:41 - Apr 16 with 2463 views | Herbivore |
| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 05:42 - Apr 16 by Hipsterectomy |
Sky Sports literally have celebrations during the summer transfer window for breaking the net-spend £100 mill total, the £500 mill total, over £1 billion total. They regularly compare how great English football is in terms of spend with other European leagues. They even get weirdly proud when the Championship is in the top 5/6 spending leagues in the world. |
The biggest problem we have in the UK is the Premier League being a separate entity. The revenue they generate now through TV money is absolutely eye watering and it doesn't get shared with those at the lower levels, not to any significant extent.
What it does do though it massively distort finances at the lower levels. Parachute payments give teams getting relegated a huge financial boost in the Championship and enable those sides to spend big on a promotion push rather than simply not going bust, which was the intention. Because the money at the top is so great, other sides then start overspending massively to try to reach the Premiership and this is where you end up with virtually every side in the Championship spending more on wages than they bring in through revenue. It's insane.
If the Premier League was the top flight of the Football League then this could be addressed collectively to ensure the leagues run for everyone's benefit, but the Premier League being separate means the Football League has to beg for crumbs which are onto rarely forthcoming. | |
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| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 10:08 - Apr 16 with 2334 views | Chrisd |
| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 06:41 - Apr 16 by Herbivore |
The biggest problem we have in the UK is the Premier League being a separate entity. The revenue they generate now through TV money is absolutely eye watering and it doesn't get shared with those at the lower levels, not to any significant extent.
What it does do though it massively distort finances at the lower levels. Parachute payments give teams getting relegated a huge financial boost in the Championship and enable those sides to spend big on a promotion push rather than simply not going bust, which was the intention. Because the money at the top is so great, other sides then start overspending massively to try to reach the Premiership and this is where you end up with virtually every side in the Championship spending more on wages than they bring in through revenue. It's insane.
If the Premier League was the top flight of the Football League then this could be addressed collectively to ensure the leagues run for everyone's benefit, but the Premier League being separate means the Football League has to beg for crumbs which are onto rarely forthcoming. |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50674331
An article to show the financial suicide of Championship clubs the season before last, which concurs with your argument. [Post edited 16 Apr 2020 10:15]
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| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 10:44 - Apr 16 with 2286 views | Herbivore |
| Sounds like we be moving a step closer to cancelling the season? on 10:08 - Apr 16 by Chrisd |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50674331
An article to show the financial suicide of Championship clubs the season before last, which concurs with your argument. [Post edited 16 Apr 2020 10:15]
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When you consider that ME was having to sink in £6m a year to prop up a bottom 6 budget in the Championship you can see how insane finances are at that level. It's not like we're a Scunthorpe playing above our level in the Championship either, it's probably our 'natural' level, certainly in my lifetime. For a club our size to be uncompetitive running a £6m operating loss shows the madness of it all. | |
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