| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m 17:41 - Jun 8 with 5780 views | BrixtonBlue |
rule. So pointless, and in fact irresponsible IMO, regardless of the science. People are struggling to do (or totally ignoring) 2m, so why make it worse by telling them they can get closer?! |  |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 17:50 - Jun 8 with 2800 views | Fixed_It |
One metre is pointless. It's basically normal without the actual hugging bit! |  |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 17:51 - Jun 8 with 2799 views | m14_blue |
Because other countries are working to 1m and doing the same here would be the difference between survival or bust for tens of thousands of businesses.
I’m not saying it’s the right thing to do but I think it’s fair enough to ask. |  | | |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 17:55 - Jun 8 with 2776 views | bluelagos |
I think the 1m rule will be coming in fairly soon as anything else will bankrupt the hospitality industry medium term.
Whether that is sensible is a different question. |  |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 17:55 - Jun 8 with 2774 views | Chutney |
I don't see what there is to gain from being able to be 1m from someone that we can't get from being 2m. Just seems like a nonsense, arbitrary debate that the press are keen to stoke for the sake of it. Unless there's a tangible benefit, i.e. perhaps retailers would be allowed more customers in at a time if that's the case? But I can't see one. Even if the appropriate answer is 1m, surely it's best to exercise a little caution anyway, especially as we've come this far with the 2m message.
There's enough sticks to beat the government with without having to make up nonsense ones like that. | | | |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 17:57 - Jun 8 with 2759 views | Chutney |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 17:51 - Jun 8 by m14_blue |
Because other countries are working to 1m and doing the same here would be the difference between survival or bust for tens of thousands of businesses.
I’m not saying it’s the right thing to do but I think it’s fair enough to ask. |
"doing the same here would be the difference between survival or bust for tens of thousands of businesses".
Quite a claim. What would be the upside and who are these 10's of thousands of businesses? | | | |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 17:58 - Jun 8 with 2758 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 17:51 - Jun 8 by m14_blue |
Because other countries are working to 1m and doing the same here would be the difference between survival or bust for tens of thousands of businesses.
I’m not saying it’s the right thing to do but I think it’s fair enough to ask. |
"the difference between survival or bust for tens of thousands of businesses"?!? Really?! 1m is going to make that much of a difference? | |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 17:58 - Jun 8 with 2743 views | jaykay |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 17:55 - Jun 8 by Chutney |
I don't see what there is to gain from being able to be 1m from someone that we can't get from being 2m. Just seems like a nonsense, arbitrary debate that the press are keen to stoke for the sake of it. Unless there's a tangible benefit, i.e. perhaps retailers would be allowed more customers in at a time if that's the case? But I can't see one. Even if the appropriate answer is 1m, surely it's best to exercise a little caution anyway, especially as we've come this far with the 2m message.
There's enough sticks to beat the government with without having to make up nonsense ones like that. |
you can never have enough sticks to beat this government with |  |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 17:59 - Jun 8 with 2745 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 17:55 - Jun 8 by bluelagos |
I think the 1m rule will be coming in fairly soon as anything else will bankrupt the hospitality industry medium term.
Whether that is sensible is a different question. |
People don't do 1m in the supermarkets anyway, so I don't see how things will change all that much (apart from dicks will have more excuse to be dicks). | |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 17:59 - Jun 8 with 2741 views | Chutney |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 17:58 - Jun 8 by jaykay |
you can never have enough sticks to beat this government with |
Fair. | | | |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:03 - Jun 8 with 2713 views | WD19 |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 17:50 - Jun 8 by Fixed_It |
One metre is pointless. It's basically normal without the actual hugging bit! |
I’ve been in a 1m rule relationship for 15 years..... |  | | |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:05 - Jun 8 with 2707 views | Chutney |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:03 - Jun 8 by WD19 |
I’ve been in a 1m rule relationship for 15 years..... |
That reminds me, congratulations on your 15th wedding anniversary. | | | |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:07 - Jun 8 with 2695 views | m14_blue |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 17:57 - Jun 8 by Chutney |
"doing the same here would be the difference between survival or bust for tens of thousands of businesses".
Quite a claim. What would be the upside and who are these 10's of thousands of businesses? |
Pubs, cafes, restaurants etc would all be able to seat almost twice as many people.
At 2m they simply can’t open at the capacity to make them viable businesses. | | | |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:08 - Jun 8 with 2682 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 17:58 - Jun 8 by BrixtonBlue |
"the difference between survival or bust for tens of thousands of businesses"?!? Really?! 1m is going to make that much of a difference? |
Massive difference for the pub and restaurant trade surely - 1m rather than 2m basically doubles the number of customers that can be accommodated |  |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:09 - Jun 8 with 2675 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:07 - Jun 8 by m14_blue |
Pubs, cafes, restaurants etc would all be able to seat almost twice as many people.
At 2m they simply can’t open at the capacity to make them viable businesses. |
Oh, snap | |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:11 - Jun 8 with 2663 views | Fixed_It |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:08 - Jun 8 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Massive difference for the pub and restaurant trade surely - 1m rather than 2m basically doubles the number of customers that can be accommodated |
Well yes. But apart from that...  | |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:12 - Jun 8 with 2660 views | footers |
Because it's another part of the economy first, people second, be positive and get behind your government narrative. Don't worry, everyone! We're getting everything back on track and it's all gone swimmingly etc. |  |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:13 - Jun 8 with 2647 views | BloomBlue |
Doesn't the WHO recommend 1m rather than 2m? |  | | |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:16 - Jun 8 with 2626 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:08 - Jun 8 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Massive difference for the pub and restaurant trade surely - 1m rather than 2m basically doubles the number of customers that can be accommodated |
Yeah, fair point, as m14 also makes above. | |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:18 - Jun 8 with 2618 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:13 - Jun 8 by BloomBlue |
Doesn't the WHO recommend 1m rather than 2m? |
I’m fairly convinced that most of the official guidance around what you can do has been set on the basis that people will push boundaries around the edges
So 2m recommended to ensure most people keep to 1m, 1 exercise per day in the initial lockdown knowing a lot of people may take 2 (rather than just allowing ‘exercise’ and then people being out most of the day, the rather odd meet 1 person at a time guidance meaning anyone meeting parents had to meet them one after the other knowing really people would meet another household but not mass gatherings, and now 6 knowing people will push it to 10 etc
Although I might be giving too much credit there given how cr*p other parts of the messaging have been! | |
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:21 - Jun 8 with 2595 views | Chutney |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:07 - Jun 8 by m14_blue |
Pubs, cafes, restaurants etc would all be able to seat almost twice as many people.
At 2m they simply can’t open at the capacity to make them viable businesses. |
Some, I imagine, but 10's of thousands of businesses seems like a gross exaggeration given the size of the hospitality sector in the UK. It's also important to remember that the 2m rule wont apply to everyone in a premises, but rather it'll be between groups that don't live together. It'll almost certainly impact capacity, but I think it's a stretch to suggest it'll be the difference between survival or not, or anything close to 50%. Any business it adversely impacts by way of opportunity cost will be operating at an occupancy that's probably financially sustainable. I don't doubt it'll impact some businesses, but there's a finite demand for such provision, so some will benefit out of it. If places are full, some previously less popular sites might see an uptick, which might well be the difference between staying operational and not. I don't think the impact is reliably quantifiable to the extent where it could be the difference between 10's of thousands of businesses going under or not. | | | |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:22 - Jun 8 with 2586 views | Chutney |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:12 - Jun 8 by footers |
Because it's another part of the economy first, people second, be positive and get behind your government narrative. Don't worry, everyone! We're getting everything back on track and it's all gone swimmingly etc. |
Surely if it was economy first, people 2nd, based on the logic expressed on this thread the opposite approach would be taken? 1m rule would be favourable? | | | |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:24 - Jun 8 with 2573 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:21 - Jun 8 by Chutney |
Some, I imagine, but 10's of thousands of businesses seems like a gross exaggeration given the size of the hospitality sector in the UK. It's also important to remember that the 2m rule wont apply to everyone in a premises, but rather it'll be between groups that don't live together. It'll almost certainly impact capacity, but I think it's a stretch to suggest it'll be the difference between survival or not, or anything close to 50%. Any business it adversely impacts by way of opportunity cost will be operating at an occupancy that's probably financially sustainable. I don't doubt it'll impact some businesses, but there's a finite demand for such provision, so some will benefit out of it. If places are full, some previously less popular sites might see an uptick, which might well be the difference between staying operational and not. I don't think the impact is reliably quantifiable to the extent where it could be the difference between 10's of thousands of businesses going under or not. |
Not sure how you conclude it was an exaggeration - there are well over 100k pubs and restaurants alone in the UK let alone other businesses that would be impacted
And people from the same household being able to sit together isn’t really relevant - they’ll still have to space all tables etc out twice as far apart under 2m guidance than 1m so clearly it will have a massive impact
EDIT: Of course, not all of those 100k+ businesses would be rammed full anyway, at least not most of the time. I can think of quite a few restaurants in Ipswich alone that have seemingly had an unofficial 2m policy for some time! [Post edited 8 Jun 2020 18:26]
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:24 - Jun 8 with 2572 views | m14_blue |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:21 - Jun 8 by Chutney |
Some, I imagine, but 10's of thousands of businesses seems like a gross exaggeration given the size of the hospitality sector in the UK. It's also important to remember that the 2m rule wont apply to everyone in a premises, but rather it'll be between groups that don't live together. It'll almost certainly impact capacity, but I think it's a stretch to suggest it'll be the difference between survival or not, or anything close to 50%. Any business it adversely impacts by way of opportunity cost will be operating at an occupancy that's probably financially sustainable. I don't doubt it'll impact some businesses, but there's a finite demand for such provision, so some will benefit out of it. If places are full, some previously less popular sites might see an uptick, which might well be the difference between staying operational and not. I don't think the impact is reliably quantifiable to the extent where it could be the difference between 10's of thousands of businesses going under or not. |
Ok mate, I’m really not looking for an argument, I was just explaining why it was important.
Sometimes it’s ok to just say ‘oh yeah, I hadn’t thought of that’, as Dolly has here. | | | |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:27 - Jun 8 with 2551 views | lowhouseblue |
we will change to 1m at some point over the summer. it's the only way the hospitality sector will survive. [Post edited 8 Jun 2020 18:34]
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| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:31 - Jun 8 with 2523 views | Chutney |
| I really don't know why some people in the press are asking why there isn't a 1m on 18:24 - Jun 8 by m14_blue |
Ok mate, I’m really not looking for an argument, I was just explaining why it was important.
Sometimes it’s ok to just say ‘oh yeah, I hadn’t thought of that’, as Dolly has here. |
I'm not looking for one, so your reply seems a bit odd. I'm not one to start arguments.
It's wrong to say custom halves. The distance between tables increases, but in terms of people that's not the same thing. Typically, you could go to a pub for food and be 2m+ from some anyway, pre Covid.
My uncle owns a Turkish restaurant. A 2m social distancing rule will require him to lose c. 10% of covers. It's rare that he's full anyway.
Sometimes it's also OK to not try and quantify things that you're not placed to. | | | |
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