| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 09:51 - Oct 16 with 2281 views | Basuco |
I totally agree with what they are proposing, maybe a public campaign by EFL club's fan's to stop paying subscriptions to BT and Sky might focus the PL attention. If fans rebel against the providers that supply the large TV revenues this will reduce the oxygen that feeds the greed. I do not hold out any real hope that enough people will do this to have much impact. But if Sky and BT brands starts to get tainted by Premier League greed then change may happen. |  | |  |
| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 09:52 - Oct 16 with 2281 views | ElephantintheRoom |
The genie has long left the bottle on this one. Once you flog off football clubs to overseas owners with little or no interest in 'soccer' they seek to maximise their profit opportunities by following the well worn path of other major USA sports.... global merchandising 'tick' concentrate all the talent in the top tier with nowhere else to go... next step - along with broadening the franchse to global (or first step European) big cities with major TV audiences..
THe EFL is a victorian concept well past its sell by date now that Covid is making football as a spectator sport untenable. It will eventually be cut adrift to find its own level.... if you look carefully for a pyramid system below NFL you wont find one - |  |
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| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 09:57 - Oct 16 with 2245 views | ITFC_Forever |
If there's nothing / not enough in it for the big boys, it won't go through. |  |
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| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 10:00 - Oct 16 with 2239 views | J2BLUE |
All seems good stuff. I hope they drop the cut to 18 Prem teams though. Seems unnecessary.
I do find it a little strange that this comes to light one day after Big Picture was rejected. Clearly some work has gone into this. Did Liverpool and United know this was coming so jumped first? Or are there many other proposals out there in what is going to become a massive battle for football's soul? |  |
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| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 10:10 - Oct 16 with 2200 views | Basuco |
| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 10:00 - Oct 16 by J2BLUE |
All seems good stuff. I hope they drop the cut to 18 Prem teams though. Seems unnecessary.
I do find it a little strange that this comes to light one day after Big Picture was rejected. Clearly some work has gone into this. Did Liverpool and United know this was coming so jumped first? Or are there many other proposals out there in what is going to become a massive battle for football's soul? |
The main aim is to get the PL down to 18 clubs and drop the league cup, this will enable gaps in the league schedule to play an expanded or new format champions league, which is more lucrative. It is obvious that the dropped proposal was a way to pretend to want to give money to the EFL, but done in a way that was always unacceptable to all. | | | |
| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 10:11 - Oct 16 with 2192 views | Pendejo |
| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 09:51 - Oct 16 by Basuco |
I totally agree with what they are proposing, maybe a public campaign by EFL club's fan's to stop paying subscriptions to BT and Sky might focus the PL attention. If fans rebel against the providers that supply the large TV revenues this will reduce the oxygen that feeds the greed. I do not hold out any real hope that enough people will do this to have much impact. But if Sky and BT brands starts to get tainted by Premier League greed then change may happen. |
The broadcasters are not interested in EFL, if they were it'd get hyped a lot more than it is.
The armchair fans of "big 6" don't give a flying fck about EFL even if they have a club just outside their window in Leyton, Southend or Ipswich etc.The
So any boycott of the subscription broadcasters will fail. Even if it did look like succeeding maybe they'd simply maximise their overseas revenue streams, as in down town Lagos or Beijing they've probably never heard of Leyton Orient or Ipswich.
The biggest problem financially should appear to be wage disparity between the divisions followed by talent hoarding. Act on that, the rest may well take care of itself once fans are allowed back in.
Puncture the EPL bubble. |  |
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| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 10:19 - Oct 16 with 2168 views | itfcjoe |
| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 09:57 - Oct 16 by ITFC_Forever |
If there's nothing / not enough in it for the big boys, it won't go through. |
I don't think it's the big boys holding things up - feels more like the smaller clubs in the PL who don't want to lose their £100m revenue and parachute payments.
Similar to L1 last year where the smaller clubs got the league stopped |  |
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| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 10:29 - Oct 16 with 2136 views | homer_123 |
I see that Steering Group is:
1. Male white heavy
2. No grassroots or lower league representatives
Just an observation. |  |
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| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 10:57 - Oct 16 with 2084 views | Chrisd |
I agree with the what the proposal is advocating, but genuinely will there be any movement or change in approach? I doubt it very much. | |
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| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 11:30 - Oct 16 with 2021 views | Basuco |
| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 10:57 - Oct 16 by Chrisd |
I agree with the what the proposal is advocating, but genuinely will there be any movement or change in approach? I doubt it very much. |
Change will depend on any possible Government intervention, they might say football receives revenue of £5.6 billion, why should EFL clubs be given state funding with such a well funded sport? If they decide the Premier League should be compelled to pass a larger proportion of their income to EFL clubs and put a body in to administer English football and control distribution of funds to achieve this. With the current huge level of financial support to UK business's (and growing)why should football clubs be given any more state cash? This would be a very difficult question for the PL to answer in defence of why such a body should not be imposed to run UK football. | | | |
| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 12:02 - Oct 16 with 1984 views | itfcjoe |
| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 10:29 - Oct 16 by homer_123 |
I see that Steering Group is:
1. Male white heavy
2. No grassroots or lower league representatives
Just an observation. |
There are 2 BAME women on an 8 person panel, with an adviser who is BAME also - it's hardly a whitewash
Gary Neville is a part owner of a League 2 club so there is some Lower League representation | |
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| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 12:18 - Oct 16 with 1959 views | Chrisd |
| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 11:30 - Oct 16 by Basuco |
Change will depend on any possible Government intervention, they might say football receives revenue of £5.6 billion, why should EFL clubs be given state funding with such a well funded sport? If they decide the Premier League should be compelled to pass a larger proportion of their income to EFL clubs and put a body in to administer English football and control distribution of funds to achieve this. With the current huge level of financial support to UK business's (and growing)why should football clubs be given any more state cash? This would be a very difficult question for the PL to answer in defence of why such a body should not be imposed to run UK football. |
The way things are currently and the amount the Government are spending in other areas to battle COVID, I'm not sure we'd see too much additional financial help incoming sadly. | |
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| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 12:22 - Oct 16 with 1951 views | Metal_Hacker |
A very interesting read and again fuels feelings of hatred toward the EPL from a personal point of view
My only worry with all this is the fact that I can see those that pay for Sky Sports (plus other packages) ending up paying more .If on one hand the EPL are being asked to regulate payments more efficiently and also increase those payments they'll see a drop from their own bottom line . The only way they can maintain that already bulging bottom line is by getting it's customers to pay more
The EPL will demand a greater "pay off" from whoever it may be fighting for the rights next time around .
Here starts the revolution in football on TV. There are only a small number of global companies that would be able to compete with Sky
I introduce to you Amazon Premier League Football Subscription time
If it means the demise of Sky and a fair price from Amazon to it's customers great but if not.....the real football fans will still lose out [Post edited 16 Oct 2020 12:22]
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| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 12:57 - Oct 16 with 1910 views | J2BLUE |
| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 12:02 - Oct 16 by itfcjoe |
There are 2 BAME women on an 8 person panel, with an adviser who is BAME also - it's hardly a whitewash
Gary Neville is a part owner of a League 2 club so there is some Lower League representation |
Don't let facts get in the way. | |
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| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 13:22 - Oct 16 with 1878 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 09:52 - Oct 16 by ElephantintheRoom |
The genie has long left the bottle on this one. Once you flog off football clubs to overseas owners with little or no interest in 'soccer' they seek to maximise their profit opportunities by following the well worn path of other major USA sports.... global merchandising 'tick' concentrate all the talent in the top tier with nowhere else to go... next step - along with broadening the franchse to global (or first step European) big cities with major TV audiences..
THe EFL is a victorian concept well past its sell by date now that Covid is making football as a spectator sport untenable. It will eventually be cut adrift to find its own level.... if you look carefully for a pyramid system below NFL you wont find one - |
If you look carefully below the NFL for a feeder system which develops young talent you will find an incredibly strong structure and games which attract national TV audiences and over 100,000 paying spectators.
The average American in a bar has an opinion on who will win the Heisman trophy. That's the equivalent of most Man Utd or Chelsea fans being able to tell you the relative strengths and weaknesses of our England Under 21 midfielders. [Post edited 16 Oct 2020 13:32]
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| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 13:28 - Oct 16 with 1859 views | itfcjoe |
| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 12:22 - Oct 16 by Metal_Hacker |
A very interesting read and again fuels feelings of hatred toward the EPL from a personal point of view
My only worry with all this is the fact that I can see those that pay for Sky Sports (plus other packages) ending up paying more .If on one hand the EPL are being asked to regulate payments more efficiently and also increase those payments they'll see a drop from their own bottom line . The only way they can maintain that already bulging bottom line is by getting it's customers to pay more
The EPL will demand a greater "pay off" from whoever it may be fighting for the rights next time around .
Here starts the revolution in football on TV. There are only a small number of global companies that would be able to compete with Sky
I introduce to you Amazon Premier League Football Subscription time
If it means the demise of Sky and a fair price from Amazon to it's customers great but if not.....the real football fans will still lose out [Post edited 16 Oct 2020 12:22]
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I suspect the premier league will at some point go to a Netflix style subscription model - which would no doubt be far cheaper than what it currently is and they would make more money from it | |
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| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 13:37 - Oct 16 with 1825 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Proposal from Gary Neville et al on 13:28 - Oct 16 by itfcjoe |
I suspect the premier league will at some point go to a Netflix style subscription model - which would no doubt be far cheaper than what it currently is and they would make more money from it |
I think the tentative involvement from Amazon already is evidence as to where this is heading . Sky wouldn't be able to compete with either Amazon or Netflix financially and hopefully this will drive the consumer cost down due to a greater audience world wide
Best result for all concerned is more cost effective for the consumer and adds sustainability and strength where required
Everyone's a winner ....but we'll see | |
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