| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners 12:45 - Mar 29 with 2984 views | Smithy |
Cook correct in saying we need to build partnerships, Andre has had 10 different midfield partners this season and I guess thats the issue. He's played 33 of the 36 games this season and has been partnered by:
Nolan
Downes
Skuse
Huws
McGavin
Bishop
Judge
Lankester
Harrop
Gibbs
That's ridiculous, and for a youngster trying to find his feet in the game thats tough. No chance of building up an understanding with anyone, not many similar players there either, so trying to build up a level of consistency with anyone there has been nigh on impossible.
Much the same as the 3 behind the front man, in where we have used 12 players in different positions and have very rarely been settled. Obviously the lack of performance from a lot of them has been a contributor, but I'd suggest from those now available go with Dobra, Parrott and Lankester and stick with them, time to bin the non performing Judge, Sears and Edwards they've had more than enough chances.
If you look at the defence, its been relatively settled, Chambers at RB, Kenlock or Ward at left back and 4 central defenders used. Obviously still without fault, but they have been relatively solid given the fact the the 6 in front of them have offered little and the ball keeps coming back at them. |  |
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| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 12:48 - Mar 29 with 2949 views | Herbivore |
Although for most of the season under Lambert, Dozzer was playing in a midfield three rather than a two. I'd be interested to know how many games Dozzer and Bishop have played together this season, as I suspect it's a lot. Whether they are an effective partnership or not is another matter. |  |
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| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 12:50 - Mar 29 with 2927 views | jayessess |
Honestly, what people expect from AD is crazy. He's playing as the deepest midfielder with a rotating cast of bad forward players and largely ineffectual midfield partners. He leads pretty much all of them on any contribution stat you want to name and people still think he's the problem. |  |
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| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 12:52 - Mar 29 with 2917 views | Smithy |
| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 12:48 - Mar 29 by Herbivore |
Although for most of the season under Lambert, Dozzer was playing in a midfield three rather than a two. I'd be interested to know how many games Dozzer and Bishop have played together this season, as I suspect it's a lot. Whether they are an effective partnership or not is another matter. |
I'd say Bishop had been more the top of a three in the number 10 role than his actual partner in the majority of the season. Has partnered Dozzell more since Downes injury, who of course would be the preferred partnership. | |
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| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 12:54 - Mar 29 with 2899 views | Smithy |
| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 12:50 - Mar 29 by jayessess |
Honestly, what people expect from AD is crazy. He's playing as the deepest midfielder with a rotating cast of bad forward players and largely ineffectual midfield partners. He leads pretty much all of them on any contribution stat you want to name and people still think he's the problem. |
agreed, the lack of options he has when he has the ball is frightening really, and much the reason why he has to go sideways or backwards. Not having a regular partner alongside him doesn't help in that an understanding of where he is at or what he is doing is gone. Pretty much the only player we have who is willing to try a penetrating pass, but when it doesn't come off is slated. | |
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| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 12:56 - Mar 29 with 2890 views | BlueBadger |
| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 12:50 - Mar 29 by jayessess |
Honestly, what people expect from AD is crazy. He's playing as the deepest midfielder with a rotating cast of bad forward players and largely ineffectual midfield partners. He leads pretty much all of them on any contribution stat you want to name and people still think he's the problem. |
I think with Skuse and Chambers likely retiring/stepping back it's important we start looking for new scapegoats. With Andre and Woolf we have have two scapegoats who've come through the youth system, no less. [Post edited 29 Mar 2021 13:35]
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| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 12:57 - Mar 29 with 2873 views | BlueBadger |
| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 12:54 - Mar 29 by Smithy |
agreed, the lack of options he has when he has the ball is frightening really, and much the reason why he has to go sideways or backwards. Not having a regular partner alongside him doesn't help in that an understanding of where he is at or what he is doing is gone. Pretty much the only player we have who is willing to try a penetrating pass, but when it doesn't come off is slated. |
Additionally, he really needs a 'minder' alongside him if he's going to play that deep-lying playmaker role. | |
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| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 12:57 - Mar 29 with 2856 views | Herbivore |
| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 12:50 - Mar 29 by jayessess |
Honestly, what people expect from AD is crazy. He's playing as the deepest midfielder with a rotating cast of bad forward players and largely ineffectual midfield partners. He leads pretty much all of them on any contribution stat you want to name and people still think he's the problem. |
I think he's done fine. This is his first season starting regularly and on the whole he's done alright. There's been some flashes of real quality here and there, then other games where he's been off it. That happens with young players. I've seen quite a bit of improvement in the defensive side of his game this season, he reads it better and he tracks runners better than earlier in the season. That gets overlooked as it's not very exciting.
To be honest, our issue on Saturday wasn't the midfield battle. We held our own there. Our issue was that not one of Judge, Sears, or Edwards made a single positive contribution in the entire time they were on the pitch. Judge and Edwards saw plenty of the ball in the first half but either miscontrolled it or passed it straight to a Wigan player. Sears just didn't get into the game at all.
When a third of your outfield players that consistute your main creative outlet are offering nothing at all, it makes your job in a midfield two quite a bit harder. | |
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| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 12:59 - Mar 29 with 2834 views | Herbivore |
| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 12:52 - Mar 29 by Smithy |
I'd say Bishop had been more the top of a three in the number 10 role than his actual partner in the majority of the season. Has partnered Dozzell more since Downes injury, who of course would be the preferred partnership. |
Not sure I agree. Downes has barely been fit this season so Bishop has mainly been playing in alongside Dozzer. They've played together 20+ times this season. I also don't think they are our biggest issue to be honest. | |
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| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 13:08 - Mar 29 with 2797 views | Edmundo |
Do you think maybe we could use him better as a wide MF player if we go to 442? I have suggested this to a mate a few times: he has a range of passing, so could be a wide MF, but has no pace, so can't be a winger in a 3. |  |
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| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 13:08 - Mar 29 with 2785 views | Herbivore |
| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 13:08 - Mar 29 by Edmundo |
Do you think maybe we could use him better as a wide MF player if we go to 442? I have suggested this to a mate a few times: he has a range of passing, so could be a wide MF, but has no pace, so can't be a winger in a 3. |
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| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 13:12 - Mar 29 with 2761 views | Smithy |
| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 13:08 - Mar 29 by Edmundo |
Do you think maybe we could use him better as a wide MF player if we go to 442? I have suggested this to a mate a few times: he has a range of passing, so could be a wide MF, but has no pace, so can't be a winger in a 3. |
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| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 13:37 - Mar 29 with 2702 views | itfcjoe |
| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 12:50 - Mar 29 by jayessess |
Honestly, what people expect from AD is crazy. He's playing as the deepest midfielder with a rotating cast of bad forward players and largely ineffectual midfield partners. He leads pretty much all of them on any contribution stat you want to name and people still think he's the problem. |
Someone pulled up some defensive stats for the division recently and amongst central midfielders he was very, very slightly above average and for interceptions was in the upper quartile........so he does contribute defensively
Like you say, he does far more than anyone else on the ball, and from a very deep position.
I think it's clear that the attacking players in our squad are the issue - i.e. the wingers and the number 10s that have played - these are the people Andre has to try and feed and they simply aren't doing enough |  |
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| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 14:23 - Mar 29 with 2634 views | LeoMuff |
| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 12:59 - Mar 29 by Herbivore |
Not sure I agree. Downes has barely been fit this season so Bishop has mainly been playing in alongside Dozzer. They've played together 20+ times this season. I also don't think they are our biggest issue to be honest. |
I think Downes and Andre work well together, but a third midfielder is needed, or the central player in the 3 beyond needs to be more midfielder than attacker, I would try bishop there to link.
Problem currently is we have no one to replace Downes |  |
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| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 14:28 - Mar 29 with 2620 views | Herbivore |
| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 14:23 - Mar 29 by LeoMuff |
I think Downes and Andre work well together, but a third midfielder is needed, or the central player in the 3 beyond needs to be more midfielder than attacker, I would try bishop there to link.
Problem currently is we have no one to replace Downes |
When Downes is fit I'd like to see Dozzell and Downes sitting with Bishop as the 10. I think with a run of games there he could really shine. He can go past players with ease and although he's not one for a Hollywood pass, he plays some very clever short passes in behind at times. He's also had a bit more of an eye for goal this year. Certainly I think he offers more there than pretty much any of our other options would. | |
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| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 14:42 - Mar 29 with 2592 views | catch74 |
| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 13:37 - Mar 29 by itfcjoe |
Someone pulled up some defensive stats for the division recently and amongst central midfielders he was very, very slightly above average and for interceptions was in the upper quartile........so he does contribute defensively
Like you say, he does far more than anyone else on the ball, and from a very deep position.
I think it's clear that the attacking players in our squad are the issue - i.e. the wingers and the number 10s that have played - these are the people Andre has to try and feed and they simply aren't doing enough |
Definitely - good point by the op about partners but the ones in front of him are key too, if his passing is going to be effective. How many different players have occupied those positions!? |  |
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| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 14:50 - Mar 29 with 2574 views | NthQldITFC |
| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 12:56 - Mar 29 by BlueBadger |
I think with Skuse and Chambers likely retiring/stepping back it's important we start looking for new scapegoats. With Andre and Woolf we have have two scapegoats who've come through the youth system, no less. [Post edited 29 Mar 2021 13:35]
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I'm proud to say that I think that is just the sort of forward-thinking attitude that this club is becoming synonymous with these days! |  |
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| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 15:55 - Mar 29 with 2509 views | Keaneish |
| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 13:37 - Mar 29 by itfcjoe |
Someone pulled up some defensive stats for the division recently and amongst central midfielders he was very, very slightly above average and for interceptions was in the upper quartile........so he does contribute defensively
Like you say, he does far more than anyone else on the ball, and from a very deep position.
I think it's clear that the attacking players in our squad are the issue - i.e. the wingers and the number 10s that have played - these are the people Andre has to try and feed and they simply aren't doing enough |
I think he's done OK this season. I've seen a few signs recently to show he's developing in the right direction. He seems to be filling out a bit now too and looking a bit stronger in a tackle. He needs to work on his set pieces though. Not seen too much of real quality from him yet.
No doubt the midfield three is him, Downes and Bishop, although i'd love to see what Cook can get out of Nolan when he returns. |  |
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| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 19:30 - Mar 29 with 2385 views | BryanPlug |
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| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 23:10 - Mar 29 with 2245 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 13:08 - Mar 29 by Edmundo |
Do you think maybe we could use him better as a wide MF player if we go to 442? I have suggested this to a mate a few times: he has a range of passing, so could be a wide MF, but has no pace, so can't be a winger in a 3. |
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| Andre Dozzell - Midfield Partners on 09:17 - Mar 30 with 2069 views | Pinewoodblue |
The thing Andre has done recently that has impressed me wasn’t even on the pitch.
It was his recent comments while most players, when interviewed , come out with comments about what we need to do( passing the buck to others) Andre explained what he needs to do, add to the goals. Hopefully he will come good on that. |  |
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