| How was the ref yesterday? 08:42 - Oct 24 with 2564 views | Keaneish |
He’s from a town I lived In and we used to play in the same side together for a period of time after he was released by Swindon. |  |
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| How was the ref yesterday? on 08:45 - Oct 24 with 2525 views | textbackup |
bit sht if i'm honest.
one of his linos not much better |  |
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| How was the ref yesterday? on 08:45 - Oct 24 with 2528 views | jayessess |
Alright, I thought. Got a couple of fairly minor decisions wrong, including the free kick in the build up to their goal, but nothing big.
He was also happy to give a yellow card for cynical fouls that broke up play, which I always think makes for a better game. |  |
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| How was the ref yesterday? on 08:45 - Oct 24 with 2527 views | No_Moore_Kieffer |
I thought he was poor, personally. Whistle happy, lots of strange decisions and their goal came from a free kick that wasn't a foul |  | | |
| How was the ref yesterday? on 08:46 - Oct 24 with 2510 views | PrideOfTheEast |
Poor. Bad decisions in both directions. |  | | |
| How was the ref yesterday? on 09:01 - Oct 24 with 2422 views | gtsb1966 |
Just on a side note I wonder how much they get paid. I know the premier refs are on good money but what about the refs outside the premier league. If you think about the travelling, giving up your Saturdays and leaving work early to do a midweek game they must purely do it for the love of it. We all criticise and I'm no different but we wouldn't have a game without them. I'm thick skinned but not to their level. |  | | |
| How was the ref yesterday? on 09:21 - Oct 24 with 2328 views | jayessess |
| How was the ref yesterday? on 09:01 - Oct 24 by gtsb1966 |
Just on a side note I wonder how much they get paid. I know the premier refs are on good money but what about the refs outside the premier league. If you think about the travelling, giving up your Saturdays and leaving work early to do a midweek game they must purely do it for the love of it. We all criticise and I'm no different but we wouldn't have a game without them. I'm thick skinned but not to their level. |
It's nothing out of this world.
The Select Group who manage the Premier League get a ~£40k retainer, plus a match fee of £1150, so will make £70-80k over the season.
The National Group who manage in our league were getting ~£400 a game back in 2015 with no retainer, so about £17k a year. I can't work out if they've introduced a retainer since then, but I imagine the fees will have gone up a bit.
Not bad for one day a week, but I suspect the bureaucracy and training involved takes it well beyond matchday in terms of workload. | |
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| How was the ref yesterday? on 09:24 - Oct 24 with 2292 views | RegencyBlue |
Let’s put it this way, I’ve seen much better! |  | | |
| How was the ref yesterday? on 09:26 - Oct 24 with 2275 views | gtsb1966 |
| How was the ref yesterday? on 09:21 - Oct 24 by jayessess |
It's nothing out of this world.
The Select Group who manage the Premier League get a ~£40k retainer, plus a match fee of £1150, so will make £70-80k over the season.
The National Group who manage in our league were getting ~£400 a game back in 2015 with no retainer, so about £17k a year. I can't work out if they've introduced a retainer since then, but I imagine the fees will have gone up a bit.
Not bad for one day a week, but I suspect the bureaucracy and training involved takes it well beyond matchday in terms of workload. |
Thanks for that. I didn't realise it was that high to be honest. | | | |
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| How was the ref yesterday? on 09:39 - Oct 24 with 2212 views | Deano69 |
| How was the ref yesterday? on 08:45 - Oct 24 by textbackup |
bit sht if i'm honest.
one of his linos not much better |
I’ve seen better and worse. Seemed about average for this league. |  |
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| How was the ref yesterday? on 09:59 - Oct 24 with 2139 views | Durovigutum |
| How was the ref yesterday? on 09:26 - Oct 24 by gtsb1966 |
Thanks for that. I didn't realise it was that high to be honest. |
Except it's not a day a week. There are a number of problems with the way refereeing works, but I'd say a major one (that illustrates the institutional discrimination) is that once you get to level 4 the FA think they "own" you - and if you decline a fixture then wave that "career" goodbye. For example, a friend in Cambridgeshire was appointed to a line in the FA Youth Cup first round, along with another AR in Lincolnshire, to a game on the South coast near Eastbourne on a Tuesday night (7:45 KO) for a £25 match fee and mileage. Say no and you've got a mark against your name - he said no, he's not trying to make a career out of this, just doing it to give something back to football. Now perhaps you have a young family, maybe you are a single mother, maybe getting home at 2AM isn't realistic for many reasons, but the FAs are staffed with white men as appointment officers who don't see these problems. This means that it isn't the best referees who climb the ladder, it's those who make themselves available. Add in "club marks", where a racist or sexist manager/coach can destroy a referees season with one low score, and you start to see why we have a quality problem. That's before the very obvious problem of player discipline and dissent, which hardly gives the mindspace for making good decisions...
Now, add in the fitness work required to keep you at a level (the Cooper test says 2600 metres in 12 minutes as a minimum) and you have a hobby that costs you money - there's a huge shortage of level 4+ lines at the moment as lockdown caused fitness problems and people failed the test, or just found they didn't miss football officiating that much and gave up. |  | | |
| How was the ref yesterday? on 10:02 - Oct 24 with 2119 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Clueless. |  |
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| How was the ref yesterday? on 10:05 - Oct 24 with 2101 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| How was the ref yesterday? on 08:45 - Oct 24 by jayessess |
Alright, I thought. Got a couple of fairly minor decisions wrong, including the free kick in the build up to their goal, but nothing big.
He was also happy to give a yellow card for cynical fouls that broke up play, which I always think makes for a better game. |
How on earth do you call a wrong decision that led to a goal, "minor'?! Yes there was stuff still to do, but we were looking like being through ourselves for 2-0 and ended with it being 1-1 due to his poor decision. Could've easily cost us 2 points. | |
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| How was the ref yesterday? on 10:16 - Oct 24 with 2059 views | jayessess |
| How was the ref yesterday? on 10:05 - Oct 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
How on earth do you call a wrong decision that led to a goal, "minor'?! Yes there was stuff still to do, but we were looking like being through ourselves for 2-0 and ended with it being 1-1 due to his poor decision. Could've easily cost us 2 points. |
A free kick on the halfway line is objectively a minor decision. | |
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| How was the ref yesterday? on 10:20 - Oct 24 with 2034 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| How was the ref yesterday? on 10:16 - Oct 24 by jayessess |
A free kick on the halfway line is objectively a minor decision. |
Not when you apply context to it. | |
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| How was the ref yesterday? on 10:21 - Oct 24 with 2032 views | Illinoisblue |
Ok. Not as bad as some L1 refs we’ve had. |  |
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| How was the ref yesterday? on 10:50 - Oct 24 with 1977 views | 3_5_2 |
Usual inconsistent league 1 standard.
The lino in front of us was useless. [Post edited 24 Oct 2021 13:21]
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| How was the ref yesterday? on 11:44 - Oct 24 with 1881 views | jayessess |
| How was the ref yesterday? on 10:20 - Oct 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Not when you apply context to it. |
I don't think our inability to defend everything that comes after the free kick reflects anything about the quality of the referee. | |
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| How was the ref yesterday? on 15:14 - Oct 24 with 1756 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| How was the ref yesterday? on 11:44 - Oct 24 by jayessess |
I don't think our inability to defend everything that comes after the free kick reflects anything about the quality of the referee. |
Agree to disagree. We could've been 2-0 up and were instead pegged back to 1-1. The ref changed the course of that. The fact that we should've defended it better doesn't absolve the ref. | |
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| How was the ref yesterday? on 16:57 - Oct 24 with 1654 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| How was the ref yesterday? on 15:14 - Oct 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Agree to disagree. We could've been 2-0 up and were instead pegged back to 1-1. The ref changed the course of that. The fact that we should've defended it better doesn't absolve the ref. |
I get what you are saying but if the referee/assistant referee gets the award of a corner/throw in wrong it is not a worse decision if the team that gets the decision scores from it. The decision is as poor as how easy it should have been to call.
Would giving a penalty wrongly only be a bad refereeing decision if the team score from it? |  |
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| How was the ref yesterday? on 17:07 - Oct 24 with 1638 views | jayessess |
| How was the ref yesterday? on 15:14 - Oct 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Agree to disagree. We could've been 2-0 up and were instead pegged back to 1-1. The ref changed the course of that. The fact that we should've defended it better doesn't absolve the ref. |
This isn't really an agree to disagree situation, tbh. It's just objectively true that the ref is responsible for the decision on the foul and we're responsible for defending the free kick. | |
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| How was the ref yesterday? on 17:08 - Oct 24 with 1639 views | Meadowlark |
He was average. He was picky at times, but also missed some obvious stuff. We don't get the best refs in this league but he was OK. |  | | |
| How was the ref yesterday? on 17:12 - Oct 24 with 1631 views | Reuser_is_God |
Thought he was awful. |  |
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