| Has Cook just aged out? 12:39 - Nov 24 with 2099 views | Mullet |
Maybe that’s not the right concept, but it feels like he’s come to Ipswich and assumed he could just do the usual at this level and get success. That’s not exactly unreasonable, the reality feels like he couldn’t make it work and as we slipped away last season, he’s lashed out at the players etc.
Where else does he turn this season? This is hole he seems to just keep digging in isn’t it? |  |
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| Has Cook just aged out? on 12:42 - Nov 24 with 2053 views | Herbivore |
He strikes me as a bit of an old school manager, not really that dissimilar to someone like Lambert or Mick (albeit clearly less capable than the latter). There's nothing that strikes me as modern or progressive in his approach. Tactically he's inflexible and struggles to change games or react to what's happening on the pitch. He looks, dare I say it, a busted flush based on what we've seen of him to date. |  |
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| Has Cook just aged out? on 13:00 - Nov 24 with 1986 views | unstableblue |
| Has Cook just aged out? on 12:42 - Nov 24 by Herbivore |
He strikes me as a bit of an old school manager, not really that dissimilar to someone like Lambert or Mick (albeit clearly less capable than the latter). There's nothing that strikes me as modern or progressive in his approach. Tactically he's inflexible and struggles to change games or react to what's happening on the pitch. He looks, dare I say it, a busted flush based on what we've seen of him to date. |
Yes Herbie I am beginning to agree... and glad you're using 'Modern and Progressive Manager'
If you had a scale of progressive management styles.. with Mick to the left (ask the Cardiff fans about inflexible and draconian tactics)... Cook perhaps is in the middle.... then to the right you'd have Liam Manning, Russell Martin.. with perhaps Mark Robbins and Ryan Lowe in between Cook and that truly progressive group.
Progressive managers are all about modern, clear and effective systems of play: transitions, pressing, movement, overloads at the right time, short and long passing, holding & creative players, switching of play... plays drilled into players in order that the team is greater than the sum of its parts.. by its nature it is entertaining... Oxford were quite progressive in that 20mins spell at PR.
I thought in Cook we had finally brought in a modern and progressive manager.. and I have seen from Cook some elements of it... we have had 20, 40, even 70mins spells of really good football.. but its too infrequent now
I still think there is something in the argument about settled partnerships, a settled side, gelling to his rigid system.... but clearly the better teams are working Cook's 4-2-3-1 out, and we remain inflexible... Morsy believes we're almost there though!
A crucial 4 weeks of football ahead for Cook, would love for him to turn it around |  |
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| Has Cook just aged out? on 13:02 - Nov 24 with 1964 views | chrismakin |
PC has spoken recently of how advanced football has become, maybe he is struggling to cope with the change in football. Although you woudn't think to much would change in a few years.. I do actually think football changes very quickly.
That, plus he's missing Leam |  |
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| Has Cook just aged out? on 13:03 - Nov 24 with 1964 views | Guthrum |
| Has Cook just aged out? on 12:42 - Nov 24 by Herbivore |
He strikes me as a bit of an old school manager, not really that dissimilar to someone like Lambert or Mick (albeit clearly less capable than the latter). There's nothing that strikes me as modern or progressive in his approach. Tactically he's inflexible and struggles to change games or react to what's happening on the pitch. He looks, dare I say it, a busted flush based on what we've seen of him to date. |
Managerial stubbornness (or lack of flexibility) has cost us in recent times. |  |
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| Has Cook just aged out? on 13:13 - Nov 24 with 1924 views | Deano69 |
| Has Cook just aged out? on 13:03 - Nov 24 by Guthrum |
Managerial stubbornness (or lack of flexibility) has cost us in recent times. |
Was having this thought the other day. Is football one of the few areas/sectors left where managers have no interest in learning anything new, developing new skills/techniques or embracing change?
Most business leaders not only keep an eye on the 'market' they are in but also continue their personal development. I am not talking experience, I mean extending knowledge.
Seems the intention from managers is to impose their methods, regardless of how relevant, current or appropriate they may be. It may just be watching Ipswich for so many seasons that has led me to this thought process, but any manager in industry who thinks they can just keep doing the same as they used to wouldn't last that long.
Or it could all just be utter bobbins........ |  |
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| Has Cook just aged out? on 13:14 - Nov 24 with 1914 views | hype313 |
| Has Cook just aged out? on 13:03 - Nov 24 by Guthrum |
Managerial stubbornness (or lack of flexibility) has cost us in recent times. |
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting different results.
Sums up Cook in a nutshell. |  |
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| Has Cook just aged out? on 13:23 - Nov 24 with 1870 views | Guthrum |
| Has Cook just aged out? on 13:13 - Nov 24 by Deano69 |
Was having this thought the other day. Is football one of the few areas/sectors left where managers have no interest in learning anything new, developing new skills/techniques or embracing change?
Most business leaders not only keep an eye on the 'market' they are in but also continue their personal development. I am not talking experience, I mean extending knowledge.
Seems the intention from managers is to impose their methods, regardless of how relevant, current or appropriate they may be. It may just be watching Ipswich for so many seasons that has led me to this thought process, but any manager in industry who thinks they can just keep doing the same as they used to wouldn't last that long.
Or it could all just be utter bobbins........ |
Good managers are probably very flexible in their thinking. But they are also not working in League One.
Managers in the world of business can be just as bad. | |
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| Has Cook just aged out? on 13:24 - Nov 24 with 1867 views | Illinoisblue |
| Has Cook just aged out? on 13:02 - Nov 24 by chrismakin |
PC has spoken recently of how advanced football has become, maybe he is struggling to cope with the change in football. Although you woudn't think to much would change in a few years.. I do actually think football changes very quickly.
That, plus he's missing Leam |
It may have changed but the basics remain the same. Rotherham didn’t have to do much to beat us other than continually press us and in possession get the ball forward quickly. We by contrast were ponderous, slow, taking an extra touch, going backwards. |  |
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| Has Cook just aged out? on 13:26 - Nov 24 with 1854 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Has Cook just aged out? on 13:23 - Nov 24 by Guthrum |
Good managers are probably very flexible in their thinking. But they are also not working in League One.
Managers in the world of business can be just as bad. |
"Good managers are probably very flexible in their thinking. But they are also not working in League One."
Unless they are in League One now and on the way up. |  | | |
| Has Cook just aged out? on 13:26 - Nov 24 with 1848 views | Deano69 |
| Has Cook just aged out? on 13:23 - Nov 24 by Guthrum |
Good managers are probably very flexible in their thinking. But they are also not working in League One.
Managers in the world of business can be just as bad. |
Possibly, but increasingly, those managers (in business etc) that wont adapt, get found out, fail or go backwards. | |
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| Has Cook just aged out? on 13:32 - Nov 24 with 1808 views | Guthrum |
| Has Cook just aged out? on 13:26 - Nov 24 by ArnoldMoorhen |
"Good managers are probably very flexible in their thinking. But they are also not working in League One."
Unless they are in League One now and on the way up. |
At most one or two. They also have to be discovered rather than hired (or it all clicks for them at a particular club). Otherwise they'd already be at a higher level. | |
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| Has Cook just aged out? on 13:34 - Nov 24 with 1792 views | Guthrum |
| Has Cook just aged out? on 13:26 - Nov 24 by Deano69 |
Possibly, but increasingly, those managers (in business etc) that wont adapt, get found out, fail or go backwards. |
Sometimes. But there are a lot more managerial positions than there are truly competent managers. So much of the filler stays in place. | |
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| Has Cook just aged out? on 13:42 - Nov 24 with 1740 views | DJR |
The other factor here is the reliance on some players with whom he had success a few years ago. Just because they were successful then, doesn't mean that they will be successful now, but it suggests someone rather conservative in his outlook, as does his unwillingness to change the system. |  | | |
| Has Cook just aged out? on 16:22 - Nov 24 with 1540 views | Mullet |
| Has Cook just aged out? on 13:00 - Nov 24 by unstableblue |
Yes Herbie I am beginning to agree... and glad you're using 'Modern and Progressive Manager'
If you had a scale of progressive management styles.. with Mick to the left (ask the Cardiff fans about inflexible and draconian tactics)... Cook perhaps is in the middle.... then to the right you'd have Liam Manning, Russell Martin.. with perhaps Mark Robbins and Ryan Lowe in between Cook and that truly progressive group.
Progressive managers are all about modern, clear and effective systems of play: transitions, pressing, movement, overloads at the right time, short and long passing, holding & creative players, switching of play... plays drilled into players in order that the team is greater than the sum of its parts.. by its nature it is entertaining... Oxford were quite progressive in that 20mins spell at PR.
I thought in Cook we had finally brought in a modern and progressive manager.. and I have seen from Cook some elements of it... we have had 20, 40, even 70mins spells of really good football.. but its too infrequent now
I still think there is something in the argument about settled partnerships, a settled side, gelling to his rigid system.... but clearly the better teams are working Cook's 4-2-3-1 out, and we remain inflexible... Morsy believes we're almost there though!
A crucial 4 weeks of football ahead for Cook, would love for him to turn it around |
Mick is a far better and more flexible manager than Cook. The time you went completely wrong over here saw him change the formation and system more than once. You turned that into a criticism too.
I know you love a name drop, but it’s clear you either don’t actually watch much of these managers or you don’t understand what you’re looking at.
Either way stop dragging Mick into everything eh? | |
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| Has Cook just aged out? on 16:24 - Nov 24 with 1529 views | Mullet |
| Has Cook just aged out? on 13:26 - Nov 24 by ArnoldMoorhen |
"Good managers are probably very flexible in their thinking. But they are also not working in League One."
Unless they are in League One now and on the way up. |
It would be interesting to see what Nathan Jones would do here vs say Manning. But I do wonder how much money the owners would throw at the next guy to get him here. That will be a good measure of intent from them and Ashton. | |
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| Has Cook just aged out? on 16:38 - Nov 24 with 1487 views | Mullet |
| Has Cook just aged out? on 13:42 - Nov 24 by DJR |
The other factor here is the reliance on some players with whom he had success a few years ago. Just because they were successful then, doesn't mean that they will be successful now, but it suggests someone rather conservative in his outlook, as does his unwillingness to change the system. |
I guess the WBA lads were down to O’Leary potentially, the back room staff outside of coaching Ashton, but you’d assume Cook had final say on recruitment outside of the dugout. If he didn’t, perhaps that’s at the root of some issues? | |
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| Has Cook just aged out? on 16:43 - Nov 24 with 1466 views | Beckets |
Cook was the oldest manager at time of appointment in the Club’s history. He’s increasingly looking like yesterday’s man. |  | | |
| Has Cook just aged out? on 18:26 - Nov 24 with 1309 views | Keaneish |
| Has Cook just aged out? on 13:00 - Nov 24 by unstableblue |
Yes Herbie I am beginning to agree... and glad you're using 'Modern and Progressive Manager'
If you had a scale of progressive management styles.. with Mick to the left (ask the Cardiff fans about inflexible and draconian tactics)... Cook perhaps is in the middle.... then to the right you'd have Liam Manning, Russell Martin.. with perhaps Mark Robbins and Ryan Lowe in between Cook and that truly progressive group.
Progressive managers are all about modern, clear and effective systems of play: transitions, pressing, movement, overloads at the right time, short and long passing, holding & creative players, switching of play... plays drilled into players in order that the team is greater than the sum of its parts.. by its nature it is entertaining... Oxford were quite progressive in that 20mins spell at PR.
I thought in Cook we had finally brought in a modern and progressive manager.. and I have seen from Cook some elements of it... we have had 20, 40, even 70mins spells of really good football.. but its too infrequent now
I still think there is something in the argument about settled partnerships, a settled side, gelling to his rigid system.... but clearly the better teams are working Cook's 4-2-3-1 out, and we remain inflexible... Morsy believes we're almost there though!
A crucial 4 weeks of football ahead for Cook, would love for him to turn it around |
Still not over the 7 hour round trip to watch us huff and puff to zero shots on goal. Thoughts on this to come as it’s interesting in the context of a very ordinary Paul Warne 442. |  |
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