| Woolfenden 09:26 - Dec 19 with 2513 views | DJR |
My man of the match yesterday was Woolfenden. Others had periods when they were good, but he was consistently good throughout. He was strong in the air, calm on the ball and made some great interceptions. In comparison, Edmundson (who is generally immaculate) didn't have his best game being arguably at fault for the goal and the chance which Wolton saved, having not picked up his man. He also diced with death on a number of occasions when he tried to be too clever on the ball. I think McKenna will have been impressed with Woolfenden who is presumably the type of footballing player that he likes. |  | | |  |
| Woolfenden on 09:30 - Dec 19 with 2458 views | Ely_Blue |
Weakest of the 3 centre backs for me yesterday, got caught not knowing whether to go to/tackle the man for their goal and had another couple of shaky moments after that, one in particular when he should have been clearing the ball but then stood screaming at Walton for not doing so when there is no way it was the keepers ball to deal with.
A few times he got bullied by their tall CF (number 14) when Donacien or Edmunsen would have won the header |  |
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| Woolfenden on 09:55 - Dec 19 with 2358 views | blueislander |
| Woolfenden on 09:30 - Dec 19 by Ely_Blue |
Weakest of the 3 centre backs for me yesterday, got caught not knowing whether to go to/tackle the man for their goal and had another couple of shaky moments after that, one in particular when he should have been clearing the ball but then stood screaming at Walton for not doing so when there is no way it was the keepers ball to deal with.
A few times he got bullied by their tall CF (number 14) when Donacien or Edmunsen would have won the header |
Were these two watching the same game? I am guessing that they have opinions on Woolfenden and no matter how he had played they would have said the same. |  | | |
| Woolfenden on 09:56 - Dec 19 with 2353 views | ArnieM |
But under new coaches , are these errors coach able ? Is HE coach able? Coz if so then you work it with him in training don’t you. But sometimes what marks a good player from an excellent player is more about instinct and what comes naturally, which is not coach able . |  |
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| Woolfenden on 10:00 - Dec 19 with 2320 views | monty_radio |
Watching the Sunderland equaliser I see Morsy, Evans and Woolfenden all making weak or non-existent challenges and Penney trotting back like he's just been across the park to retrieve a ball that's gone miles off the pitch. Edmundson perhaps should have been further across, but I wouldn't nail him for that goal. | |
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| Woolfenden on 10:07 - Dec 19 with 2283 views | jayessess |
| Woolfenden on 09:55 - Dec 19 by blueislander |
Were these two watching the same game? I am guessing that they have opinions on Woolfenden and no matter how he had played they would have said the same. |
To the extent that the 2nd post seems to have attributed one incident to Woolfenden that actually involved Edmundson, which is beyond confirmation bias and into confirmation false memory syndrome! |  |
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| Woolfenden on 10:30 - Dec 19 with 2222 views | DJR |
| Woolfenden on 10:00 - Dec 19 by monty_radio |
Watching the Sunderland equaliser I see Morsy, Evans and Woolfenden all making weak or non-existent challenges and Penney trotting back like he's just been across the park to retrieve a ball that's gone miles off the pitch. Edmundson perhaps should have been further across, but I wouldn't nail him for that goal. |
I think trotting back (and not just by Penney) has been a common failing this season, and has contributed to a number of the goals conceded. There just doesn't seem to be a sense of urgency on the part of many of our players to get back when the opposition is attacking. In my view the second goal against Barrow was the fault of El Miz who didn't chase back the scorer. [Post edited 19 Dec 2021 10:30]
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| Woolfenden on 11:33 - Dec 19 with 2093 views | jeera |
| Woolfenden on 10:07 - Dec 19 by jayessess |
To the extent that the 2nd post seems to have attributed one incident to Woolfenden that actually involved Edmundson, which is beyond confirmation bias and into confirmation false memory syndrome! |
I thought Woolfenden did ok yesterday.
No arguing he made a few important tackles, including one rather fancy one with a back heel.
No it wasn't an accident, it was definitely intentional. |  |
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| Woolfenden on 11:37 - Dec 19 with 2080 views | chrismakin |
Will be intresting to see if we continue with 3 at the back if Burgess comes into it. He played the leftside of the 3 CB's last season.
Wolfy, so difficult. He's lost alot of trust over the last couple of seasons, he is similar to Penney in that he can't seem to concentrate for 90 minutes |  |
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| Woolfenden on 11:57 - Dec 19 with 2033 views | Simonds92 |
Jesus! Some people are obsessed with the myth of Woolfenden. I would love an ITFC Analytics post to see his passing stats for the past 18 months. He may look relaxed on the ball but he's certainly not a ball playing CB because he can't successfully pass the ball forward. Edmondsons performance yesterday in terms of on the ball was so much more impressive, and the key thing is he knows how to defend. We looked realtively assured at the back yesterday but Edmondson and Donacien are very good defenders. 1 ball over the top towards the end of the game yesterday and Woolfenden was in a whole world of trouble, fortunately the striker ran in to a covering Edmondson.
If we stick with 3 at the back he'll be ok for the time being but id like another decwnt CB in Jan. | | | |
| Woolfenden on 11:58 - Dec 19 with 2025 views | FightingEssex |
He played well, he will be fine with a run in the team as he was before. |  |
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| Woolfenden on 12:14 - Dec 19 with 1997 views | cressi |
Played better but not my man of the match
Personally thought Edmunson,
Burns, Janoi and Sone A
We're the standouts. | | | |
| Woolfenden on 12:51 - Dec 19 with 1904 views | billlm |
I actually thought he did ok yesterday yesterday, still has a chance at town, more assured than nisala will be in a three, let's not forget the couple of times when we got caught he came over to the left to clear up, penny omg, labours back for there ball, I wish burns cross was 6 inches lower so we didn't have to put up with glory boy penny effort, one touch roll it into an open net, no let's go for glory, that cost town a win we were so on top at that time, |  | | |
| Woolfenden on 12:54 - Dec 19 with 1892 views | jayessess |
| Woolfenden on 11:57 - Dec 19 by Simonds92 |
Jesus! Some people are obsessed with the myth of Woolfenden. I would love an ITFC Analytics post to see his passing stats for the past 18 months. He may look relaxed on the ball but he's certainly not a ball playing CB because he can't successfully pass the ball forward. Edmondsons performance yesterday in terms of on the ball was so much more impressive, and the key thing is he knows how to defend. We looked realtively assured at the back yesterday but Edmondson and Donacien are very good defenders. 1 ball over the top towards the end of the game yesterday and Woolfenden was in a whole world of trouble, fortunately the striker ran in to a covering Edmondson.
If we stick with 3 at the back he'll be ok for the time being but id like another decwnt CB in Jan. |
This do you?
Rates pretty highly for "progressive passing actions" too, as I recall. | |
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| Woolfenden on 12:59 - Dec 19 with 1869 views | itfcjoe |
| Woolfenden on 12:54 - Dec 19 by jayessess |
This do you?
Rates pretty highly for "progressive passing actions" too, as I recall. |
Haha, brilliantly done.
I thought Woolf was very good yesterday, very disciplined positionally and made a number of well timed interceptions.
Did very well up against Stewart aerially who is a real handful.
Edmundson a bit more showy yesterday but all our issues came from runners off the back of him.
Woolf the pick of the back 3 for me, really hope he gets a run in the side - those 3 were forming the basis of a good understanding quickly |  |
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| Woolfenden on 13:05 - Dec 19 with 1836 views | billlm |
| Woolfenden on 12:59 - Dec 19 by itfcjoe |
Haha, brilliantly done.
I thought Woolf was very good yesterday, very disciplined positionally and made a number of well timed interceptions.
Did very well up against Stewart aerially who is a real handful.
Edmundson a bit more showy yesterday but all our issues came from runners off the back of him.
Woolf the pick of the back 3 for me, really hope he gets a run in the side - those 3 were forming the basis of a good understanding quickly |
Some posts bemoaning him, I thought he done well, covered a couple of times over on our left when penny and edmundson went walk about, he still has a chance here he needs to grasp it, | | | |
| Woolfenden on 13:40 - Dec 19 with 1767 views | Simonds92 |
| Woolfenden on 12:54 - Dec 19 by jayessess |
This do you?
Rates pretty highly for "progressive passing actions" too, as I recall. |
I think at that point he had played 4 games, and we conceded 8 goals during those games. Im not saying his sideways passing isnt accurate either but thats no different to Nsiala. I'm convinced his forward passing stats cant be great and that wouldn't be too much of a problem if he was a proper defender. | | | |
| Woolfenden on 14:12 - Dec 19 with 1707 views | itfcjoe |
| Woolfenden on 13:40 - Dec 19 by Simonds92 |
I think at that point he had played 4 games, and we conceded 8 goals during those games. Im not saying his sideways passing isnt accurate either but thats no different to Nsiala. I'm convinced his forward passing stats cant be great and that wouldn't be too much of a problem if he was a proper defender. |
It you honestly think there is no difference between his passing and Nsiala’s then there is no hope | |
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| Woolfenden on 14:50 - Dec 19 with 1621 views | pointofblue |
Youth players seem to be either hyped up or criticised relentlessly with nothing inbetween. The truth tends to be in between. Woolfenden is not different.
Other players have an excellent start so errors get bypassed whilst others will get ripped to shreds for doing the same thing. | |
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| Woolfenden on 14:53 - Dec 19 with 1611 views | chrismakin |
| Woolfenden on 14:50 - Dec 19 by pointofblue |
Youth players seem to be either hyped up or criticised relentlessly with nothing inbetween. The truth tends to be in between. Woolfenden is not different.
Other players have an excellent start so errors get bypassed whilst others will get ripped to shreds for doing the same thing. |
Idris is prime example. I've yet to see him put in a performance that even warrants a sub spot imo, yet there's a lot that clamour for him to start.
I've put him in my expected lineups based on injuries, but I don't see anything there which is different to Harper. | |
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| Woolfenden on 18:23 - Dec 19 with 1427 views | jayessess |
| Woolfenden on 13:40 - Dec 19 by Simonds92 |
I think at that point he had played 4 games, and we conceded 8 goals during those games. Im not saying his sideways passing isnt accurate either but thats no different to Nsiala. I'm convinced his forward passing stats cant be great and that wouldn't be too much of a problem if he was a proper defender. |
Woolfenden 80.4% pass completion this season
49.8 passes per 90
4.0 long balls completed per 90
0.4 key passes per 90
0.3 dribbles per 90
Nsiala 70.7%
35.7 passes per g90
3.1 long balls completed per 90
0 key passes.
0 dribbles
Fairly obvious he's better on the ball than Nsiala. Doing more ambitious things, having them come off more often.
Nsiala's a better one-on-one defender, but no-one said he wasn't? | |
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| Woolfenden on 18:28 - Dec 19 with 1420 views | jayessess |
| Woolfenden on 14:53 - Dec 19 by chrismakin |
Idris is prime example. I've yet to see him put in a performance that even warrants a sub spot imo, yet there's a lot that clamour for him to start.
I've put him in my expected lineups based on injuries, but I don't see anything there which is different to Harper. |
Difference is involvement - Idris is making 2.6 tackles per 90, Harper 0.4, Idris is making 50.6 passes per game, Harper 23. Rekeem's definitely got more technical ability, but games are just passing him by. | |
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