| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... 14:23 - Feb 25 with 4746 views | unstableblue |
... the Snake Island 'heroes', the woman confronting the soldier, the car mown down by a missile carrier, the scenes of aggression...
now 18,000 machine guns distributed to Kiev citizens, instructions on molotov cocktails...
... I predict Russia is about to have its own Leningrad.... and i'm just not sure their troops have the stomach, nor the volumes for that?
One thing is for sure, there are going to be a lot of casualties.
70% of Ukrainians voted to join the EU; the Orange protests were mass and ousted a Russian puppet elected falsely. This is not a people who are Russian sympathisers or feel some allegiance to Moscow.
I just hope the citizens of St Petersburg and Moscow look past the state media, get out in numbers and defy the mass arrests, combine that with oligarchs/mafia turning on Putin |  |
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| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 14:36 - Feb 25 with 1986 views | bluelagos |
Heard earlier about the petrol bombs. Can imagine an awful lot of ordinary Ukrainians more than happy to see Russian tanks/soldiers burning. One presumes there would be some nasty reprisals too.
What Putin has unleashed could play out a number of ways but the idea Ukrainians will simply accept occupation with minimal resistance seems wildly optimistic to me.
Going to be a blood bath. I'd like to see charges of war crimes brought asap - if only to temper those on the edges of the Kremlin. |  |
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| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 14:37 - Feb 25 with 1959 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I have seen this 70% figure for support of EU membership. I don't believe it was an actual vote, though, rather an extrapolation of survey data (but I don't know).
However, it is clear there is majority support for it and opposition to Russian occupancy. Contrast that to our democratic decision based in 52% of those who voted (and with Russian influence on the campaign acknowledged too).
I do hope the appetite quickly evaporates from the Russian forces and Putin is soon gone. |  |
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| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 14:44 - Feb 25 with 1878 views | bluelagos |
I know what you are saying - but by that logic the resistance fighters in occupied Holland/France etc. would have rolled over during WW2. Same with the Afghans during Soviet occupation in the 80s.
I think anyone brave enough to stand up to an oppressive occupier should be saluted - especially given the incredible personal risk in so doing.
Any reprisals will lay at the door of those doing them. | |
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| This from Monbiot is seering and true on 14:44 - Feb 25 with 1881 views | unstableblue |
| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 14:37 - Feb 25 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I have seen this 70% figure for support of EU membership. I don't believe it was an actual vote, though, rather an extrapolation of survey data (but I don't know).
However, it is clear there is majority support for it and opposition to Russian occupancy. Contrast that to our democratic decision based in 52% of those who voted (and with Russian influence on the campaign acknowledged too).
I do hope the appetite quickly evaporates from the Russian forces and Putin is soon gone. |
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| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 14:45 - Feb 25 with 1859 views | hype313 |
| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 14:37 - Feb 25 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I have seen this 70% figure for support of EU membership. I don't believe it was an actual vote, though, rather an extrapolation of survey data (but I don't know).
However, it is clear there is majority support for it and opposition to Russian occupancy. Contrast that to our democratic decision based in 52% of those who voted (and with Russian influence on the campaign acknowledged too).
I do hope the appetite quickly evaporates from the Russian forces and Putin is soon gone. |
Russia's a young country, anyone under 40 won't remember/know what it was like to live under the Soviet Union and have been accustomed to western way of life.
This could get ugly for Putin. |  |
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| [Redacted] on 14:49 - Feb 25 with 1822 views | victorywilhappen |
| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 14:44 - Feb 25 by bluelagos |
I know what you are saying - but by that logic the resistance fighters in occupied Holland/France etc. would have rolled over during WW2. Same with the Afghans during Soviet occupation in the 80s.
I think anyone brave enough to stand up to an oppressive occupier should be saluted - especially given the incredible personal risk in so doing.
Any reprisals will lay at the door of those doing them. |
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| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 14:49 - Feb 25 with 1821 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 14:45 - Feb 25 by hype313 |
Russia's a young country, anyone under 40 won't remember/know what it was like to live under the Soviet Union and have been accustomed to western way of life.
This could get ugly for Putin. |
I hope so, but those people will also have heard about it from their older relatives and I don't think modern-day Russia is anything like a comfortable place to express opposition to its authorities. | |
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| [Redacted] on 14:51 - Feb 25 with 1806 views | victorywilhappen |
| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 14:45 - Feb 25 by hype313 |
Russia's a young country, anyone under 40 won't remember/know what it was like to live under the Soviet Union and have been accustomed to western way of life.
This could get ugly for Putin. |
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| This from Monbiot is seering and true on 14:52 - Feb 25 with 1784 views | hype313 |
| This from Monbiot is seering and true on 14:44 - Feb 25 by unstableblue |
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Interesting thread below in this thread.
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| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 14:53 - Feb 25 with 1777 views | bluelagos |
Of course the resistance should only target the Russian soldiers/tanks etc.
The point I was making (sorry if unclear) was that if that Ukranian resistance led to Russian reprisals - it would still be justifiable. | |
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| [Redacted] on 14:55 - Feb 25 with 1749 views | victorywilhappen |
| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 14:37 - Feb 25 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I have seen this 70% figure for support of EU membership. I don't believe it was an actual vote, though, rather an extrapolation of survey data (but I don't know).
However, it is clear there is majority support for it and opposition to Russian occupancy. Contrast that to our democratic decision based in 52% of those who voted (and with Russian influence on the campaign acknowledged too).
I do hope the appetite quickly evaporates from the Russian forces and Putin is soon gone. |
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| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 15:00 - Feb 25 with 1680 views | EdwardStone |
| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 14:36 - Feb 25 by bluelagos |
Heard earlier about the petrol bombs. Can imagine an awful lot of ordinary Ukrainians more than happy to see Russian tanks/soldiers burning. One presumes there would be some nasty reprisals too.
What Putin has unleashed could play out a number of ways but the idea Ukrainians will simply accept occupation with minimal resistance seems wildly optimistic to me.
Going to be a blood bath. I'd like to see charges of war crimes brought asap - if only to temper those on the edges of the Kremlin. |
Regarding War Crimes
I think the Court should start preparing the paperwork, put Putin, his henchmen and Generals on notice that they will be facing charges and give them an indication of the likely sentences based on the tariff given to Milosovich and Mladic
That might give the Generals pause for thought
Not sure it would cut through Putin's Messiah Complex [Post edited 25 Feb 2022 15:02]
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| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 15:05 - Feb 25 with 1631 views | bluelagos |
| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 15:00 - Feb 25 by EdwardStone |
Regarding War Crimes
I think the Court should start preparing the paperwork, put Putin, his henchmen and Generals on notice that they will be facing charges and give them an indication of the likely sentences based on the tariff given to Milosovich and Mladic
That might give the Generals pause for thought
Not sure it would cut through Putin's Messiah Complex [Post edited 25 Feb 2022 15:02]
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Absolutely - not suggesting it will immediately make him take stock. But those around him may not be so keen on spending their last years in a prison cell as some Serbian warlords have. | |
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| This from Monbiot is seering and true on 15:06 - Feb 25 with 1628 views | Kropotkin123 |
| This from Monbiot is seering and true on 14:52 - Feb 25 by hype313 |
Interesting thread below in this thread.
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And then Shaun woke up.
Guerrilla warfare is almost a given. The rest that followed is highly fanciful. [Post edited 25 Feb 2022 15:06]
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| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 15:06 - Feb 25 with 1637 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Russia are already attacking civilian targets. It's all over the news.
If this was happening in London I, as a civilian, would be looking to fight. |  |
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| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 15:17 - Feb 25 with 1555 views | jeera |
| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 15:06 - Feb 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Russia are already attacking civilian targets. It's all over the news.
If this was happening in London I, as a civilian, would be looking to fight. |
Yeah I tend to agree.
I can understand Victors saying there about giving the invaders further excuse to hurt civilians, and it will, but those who are desperate to fight back will do one way or another.
And as such, must have the best chance possible.
I don't know what they have in the way of personal weapons and ammunition stocks but I hope it's enough to go around.
I wouldn't be surprised if we also see some of those who, (understandably), fled the country, make a return at some point too. |  |
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| [Redacted] on 15:17 - Feb 25 with 1556 views | victorywilhappen |
| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 15:06 - Feb 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Russia are already attacking civilian targets. It's all over the news.
If this was happening in London I, as a civilian, would be looking to fight. |
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| [Redacted] on 15:24 - Feb 25 with 1511 views | victorywilhappen |
| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 15:17 - Feb 25 by jeera |
Yeah I tend to agree.
I can understand Victors saying there about giving the invaders further excuse to hurt civilians, and it will, but those who are desperate to fight back will do one way or another.
And as such, must have the best chance possible.
I don't know what they have in the way of personal weapons and ammunition stocks but I hope it's enough to go around.
I wouldn't be surprised if we also see some of those who, (understandably), fled the country, make a return at some point too. |
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| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 15:28 - Feb 25 with 1468 views | Guthrum |
Unfortunately, not really. Any occupier brutal enough to inspire that kind of resistance also tends to take out their vengeance upon innocent civilians, often with mass reprisal killings. |  |
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| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 15:30 - Feb 25 with 1447 views | Steve_M |
| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 15:05 - Feb 25 by bluelagos |
Absolutely - not suggesting it will immediately make him take stock. But those around him may not be so keen on spending their last years in a prison cell as some Serbian warlords have. |
Given the actions of the Russian military in Chechnya and Syria then I'm not sure it's going to be much of a deterrent. |  |
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| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 15:31 - Feb 25 with 1441 views | jeera |
This is true too.
Naturally the fewer casualties the better, but equally it's human nature to want to fight back, especially when your home is being invaded.
We shall see.
It's frustrating feeling helpless though, I do know that. | |
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| [Redacted] on 15:32 - Feb 25 with 1413 views | victorywilhappen |
| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 15:31 - Feb 25 by jeera |
This is true too.
Naturally the fewer casualties the better, but equally it's human nature to want to fight back, especially when your home is being invaded.
We shall see.
It's frustrating feeling helpless though, I do know that. |
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| [Redacted] on 15:34 - Feb 25 with 1394 views | victorywilhappen |
| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 15:28 - Feb 25 by Guthrum |
Unfortunately, not really. Any occupier brutal enough to inspire that kind of resistance also tends to take out their vengeance upon innocent civilians, often with mass reprisal killings. |
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| Ukrainian citizens are getting galvanised by acts of defiance and atrocity... on 15:35 - Feb 25 with 1372 views | jeera |
Yes I've read it.
Ok, but no tongues on the first date. | |
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