| So farewell then the Moskva 21:14 - Apr 14 with 3334 views | factual_blue |
Gone to Davy Jones' locker. |  |
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| So farewell then the Moskva on 21:29 - Apr 14 with 2954 views | Swansea_Blue |
Ooh, it’s sunk has it? I’d heard yesterday the Russians had announced a fire had ignited its munitions. Damn careless of them but I bet that happens all the time. |  |
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| So farewell then the Moskva on 21:36 - Apr 14 with 2934 views | WD19 |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 21:29 - Apr 14 by Swansea_Blue |
Ooh, it’s sunk has it? I’d heard yesterday the Russians had announced a fire had ignited its munitions. Damn careless of them but I bet that happens all the time. |
“stormy seas” caused it to sink apparently. Should have stuck to lakes and ponds. |  | | |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 21:37 - Apr 14 with 2928 views | jeera |
More water pollution.
I hope someone sends the Russians the bill. |  |
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| So farewell then the Moskva on 21:41 - Apr 14 with 2919 views | Swansea_Blue |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 21:36 - Apr 14 by WD19 |
“stormy seas” caused it to sink apparently. Should have stuck to lakes and ponds. |
More carelessness. Fancy not designing it to be seaworthy. Tsk, amateurs! | |
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| So farewell then the Moskva on 21:46 - Apr 14 with 2895 views | Churchman |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 21:36 - Apr 14 by WD19 |
“stormy seas” caused it to sink apparently. Should have stuck to lakes and ponds. |
Yep, stormy seas under tow. According to the Russians earlier in the day, no casualties which is remarkable for a warship crammed with munitions and fuel. Normally, you can expect a lot of killed and injured with an ‘accident’ like that.
When the special operation is over, they must tell us all about their remarkable damage control.
Seems like they took the words of those brave Ukrainian soldiers on that island literally. |  | | |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 21:47 - Apr 14 with 2888 views | EdwardStone |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 21:29 - Apr 14 by Swansea_Blue |
Ooh, it’s sunk has it? I’d heard yesterday the Russians had announced a fire had ignited its munitions. Damn careless of them but I bet that happens all the time. |
Not according to official Moscow sources.....
It has just been transferred to the Submarine roster
A simple administrative shuffle
Nothing to see here |  | | |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 22:04 - Apr 14 with 2851 views | Samuelowen88 |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 21:36 - Apr 14 by WD19 |
“stormy seas” caused it to sink apparently. Should have stuck to lakes and ponds. |
Ah yes, very stormy
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| So farewell then the Moskva on 22:06 - Apr 14 with 2839 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 21:41 - Apr 14 by Swansea_Blue |
More carelessness. Fancy not designing it to be seaworthy. Tsk, amateurs! |
Must have had P&O doing the maintenance. |  | | |
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| So farewell then the Moskva on 22:10 - Apr 14 with 2812 views | factual_blue |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 21:29 - Apr 14 by Swansea_Blue |
Ooh, it’s sunk has it? I’d heard yesterday the Russians had announced a fire had ignited its munitions. Damn careless of them but I bet that happens all the time. |
Also moscow has announced that it has suffered no combat casualties during its special military operation.
There has been, however, a tragically high number of road traffic accidents involving Russian tanks and soldiers. | |
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| So farewell then the Moskva on 22:54 - Apr 14 with 2711 views | Churchman |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 22:10 - Apr 14 by factual_blue |
Also moscow has announced that it has suffered no combat casualties during its special military operation.
There has been, however, a tragically high number of road traffic accidents involving Russian tanks and soldiers. |
I would imagine that for saving the whole crew in stormy seas after a tragic, unavoidable, all the fault of the west accident the captain will be up for a promotion. A new command of one shovel far to the east or maybe even a 6ft hole in the ground.
Whichever option, he will be forever grateful to Comrade Putin for giving him the chance to take part in the special, casualty free operation. | | | |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 22:56 - Apr 14 with 2706 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 21:47 - Apr 14 by EdwardStone |
Not according to official Moscow sources.....
It has just been transferred to the Submarine roster
A simple administrative shuffle
Nothing to see here |
Wasn't it Drake who asked "Is something lost if you know where it is?" and to the reply then added, "then my ship is not lost, it is simply at the bottom of the ocean"? |  |
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| So farewell then the Moskva on 22:57 - Apr 14 with 2701 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Sent where the Snake Island soldiers told it to go. | |
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| So farewell then the Moskva on 23:45 - Apr 14 with 2604 views | factual_blue |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 21:46 - Apr 14 by Churchman |
Yep, stormy seas under tow. According to the Russians earlier in the day, no casualties which is remarkable for a warship crammed with munitions and fuel. Normally, you can expect a lot of killed and injured with an ‘accident’ like that.
When the special operation is over, they must tell us all about their remarkable damage control.
Seems like they took the words of those brave Ukrainian soldiers on that island literally. |
The main casualty is of course the truth. | |
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| So farewell then the Moskva on 07:31 - Apr 15 with 2448 views | Churchman |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 23:45 - Apr 14 by factual_blue |
The main casualty is of course the truth. |
You are right. This looks like Russia managing the message to me.
My wild guess is that the truth is nearer the Ukrainian version than the Russian one, though that may be bias on my part. I suspect the ship was lost quite quickly along with a lot of the crew. Fire on ships has never been anything but a potentially catastrophic thing.
I just don’t see how you can remove the crew then put the fire out and establish a tow in a stormy sea. Could it be that the Russians are looking to keep the co-ordinates of the wreck secret so they can get any secret kit off it? | | | |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 08:37 - Apr 15 with 2372 views | WD19 |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 07:31 - Apr 15 by Churchman |
You are right. This looks like Russia managing the message to me.
My wild guess is that the truth is nearer the Ukrainian version than the Russian one, though that may be bias on my part. I suspect the ship was lost quite quickly along with a lot of the crew. Fire on ships has never been anything but a potentially catastrophic thing.
I just don’t see how you can remove the crew then put the fire out and establish a tow in a stormy sea. Could it be that the Russians are looking to keep the co-ordinates of the wreck secret so they can get any secret kit off it? |
The most modern kit belonging to that ship would probably be a VHS player. | | | |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 10:18 - Apr 15 with 2260 views | Churchman |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 08:37 - Apr 15 by WD19 |
The most modern kit belonging to that ship would probably be a VHS player. |
Fair point, but do they aware the west knows about video recorders and was the Russian one a top loader with thunk buttons or a front loader where the drawer jammed a lot? I suspect top loader for space saving called a Fergusonov Videostarvich. | | | |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 10:24 - Apr 15 with 2257 views | WD19 |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 10:18 - Apr 15 by Churchman |
Fair point, but do they aware the west knows about video recorders and was the Russian one a top loader with thunk buttons or a front loader where the drawer jammed a lot? I suspect top loader for space saving called a Fergusonov Videostarvich. |
It was a unique design commissioned especially for the military on the direct instructions of the President. To the casual observer it looks like a front loader, but is actually a secret rear loader. | | | |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 10:43 - Apr 15 with 2231 views | Churchman |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 10:24 - Apr 15 by WD19 |
It was a unique design commissioned especially for the military on the direct instructions of the President. To the casual observer it looks like a front loader, but is actually a secret rear loader. |
Let’s hope it’s waterproof, eh. | | | |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 12:09 - Apr 15 with 2180 views | Steve_M |
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| So farewell then the Moskva on 13:47 - Apr 15 with 2109 views | BlueBadger |
Taken on more water than the mattress in Donald Trump's hotel room the last time he visited Moscow. |  |
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| So farewell then the Moskva on 13:48 - Apr 15 with 2105 views | Swansea_Blue |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 22:04 - Apr 14 by Samuelowen88 |
Ah yes, very stormy
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Tbf, that looks rough to me. Although I get seasick on the Norfolk Broads. | |
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| So farewell then the Moskva on 18:48 - Apr 15 with 1883 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 07:31 - Apr 15 by Churchman |
You are right. This looks like Russia managing the message to me.
My wild guess is that the truth is nearer the Ukrainian version than the Russian one, though that may be bias on my part. I suspect the ship was lost quite quickly along with a lot of the crew. Fire on ships has never been anything but a potentially catastrophic thing.
I just don’t see how you can remove the crew then put the fire out and establish a tow in a stormy sea. Could it be that the Russians are looking to keep the co-ordinates of the wreck secret so they can get any secret kit off it? |
I doubt there is either any secret where it sank nor chance of any western force getting to it before the Russians would do. | |
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| So farewell then the Moskva on 18:52 - Apr 15 with 1875 views | Pinewoodblue |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 18:48 - Apr 15 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I doubt there is either any secret where it sank nor chance of any western force getting to it before the Russians would do. |
Why would the West want to get to a forty year old ship? |  |
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| So farewell then the Moskva on 21:23 - Apr 15 with 1772 views | Churchman |
| So farewell then the Moskva on 18:52 - Apr 15 by Pinewoodblue |
Why would the West want to get to a forty year old ship? |
For any technical gear on it, but I doubt there’s anything on it that’s not known about so your point is essentially valid. That wouldn’t stop the Russians trying to hide where it sank - which I suspect was fairly close to where it was his.
As with the Kursk fiasco, I suspect they’ll want to get the bodies off it if nothing else. | | | |
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