| El Miz, Harper... surplus to Requirements? 09:08 - Jul 15 with 2018 views | HobokenBlue |
When reading posts on potential line ups for the season, the above 2 are not heavily mentioned and often are forgotten from the potential bench-warmer spots....
Do they realistically have any relevant part to play this season where arguably, a more streamlined squad is needed for consistency, cohesion and Team Spirit (and of course for financial regs).
For me, El Miz would have made the first team by now if good enough for L1 and I can't see how he gets a look in bearing in mind Morsy, Evans, Ball are all definitely ahead of him and seemingly Humphries is more higly thought of and then there of course is Harper as well. He doesn't seem to have the mental and physical presence for me and often goes missing when I have seen him.
Harper is more of an unknown and as others have mentioned, showed real promise when he started last season. Clearly he has the physical attributes and pedigree but can this translate into consistent performances that get him ahead of the pre-mentioned 4 that could be ahead of him? it didn't seem like he set the World on Fire at Crewe.....
Ultimately, I would try and offload El Miz and if not, loan him out. Harper, could be useful to keep and see how he progresses and impresses KMC but it's a big 'could'...
On another note, with regards to squad size being important, with Leigh potentially a starter at LWB, could Edwards/Vincent- Young be ample back up and Penney let go too? For me, this seems feasible and would be my preference.
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| El Miz, Harper... surplus to Requirements? on 09:12 - Jul 15 with 1973 views | STYG |
From the little I have seen at Needham and West Ham, I wouldn't be surprised if El Miz goes out on loan now and Harper stays to be fourth choice midfielder.
He's looked better of late, McKenna may bring out his qualities and El Miz being right back or right side in those games when Harper has been in the middle suggests McKenna sees Harper ahead of El Miz now.
El Miz isn't really needed as a right back given we have Donacien and Vincent-Young, plus Burns is likely to be on the right side with no formal right back.
So can see El Miz on a League Two loan in the hope he has an Ndaba like season. But wouldn't be surprised to see him released or allowed to leave for peanuts. |  | | |
| El Miz, Harper... surplus to Requirements? on 09:15 - Jul 15 with 1959 views | Guthrum |
From what I've read, El Mizouni definitely has a future at the club, tho may be going out on loan this season to get regular gametime. |  |
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| El Miz, Harper... surplus to Requirements? on 09:20 - Jul 15 with 1915 views | PhilTWTD |
| El Miz, Harper... surplus to Requirements? on 09:15 - Jul 15 by Guthrum |
From what I've read, El Mizouni definitely has a future at the club, tho may be going out on loan this season to get regular gametime. |
That is where things are, if he's not out on loan then it'll be another frustrating season for him playing 15-20 games at most, mainly in the cups. Needs regular football. Tranmere were interested but signed Jon Nolan, so that's probably not going to happen. Other clubs also keen including Leyton Orient.
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| El Miz, Harper... surplus to Requirements? on 09:22 - Jul 15 with 1866 views | OwainG1992 |
If we were gonna keep one or the other it would be Harper for me. |  |
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| El Miz, Harper... surplus to Requirements? on 09:26 - Jul 15 with 1835 views | clive_baker |
They're both at an age where they need to be playing somewhere. The both need 60 odd games over the next 2 seasons IMO to aid their development. I would say it's unlikely to happen here, given we have Morsy, Ball and Evans in front of them for the central midfield positions, and arguably Aluko too who I can see operating deeper than perhaps he's been used to historically. I wouldn't be surprised if one of them hangs around as cover certainly until January, with one going out on loan soon. It's important that its the right loan though, neither El Miz or Harper seemed to get too much from their most recent ones, and Dobra didn't either. I would love to see Harper tear up L2 and come back full of beans. |  |
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| El Miz, Harper... surplus to Requirements? on 09:27 - Jul 15 with 1827 views | HobokenBlue |
| El Miz, Harper... surplus to Requirements? on 09:20 - Jul 15 by PhilTWTD |
That is where things are, if he's not out on loan then it'll be another frustrating season for him playing 15-20 games at most, mainly in the cups. Needs regular football. Tranmere were interested but signed Jon Nolan, so that's probably not going to happen. Other clubs also keen including Leyton Orient.
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Thanks Phil, very interesting. I do hope for his sake he gets a beneficial loan and plays regular football. Clearly, they still see something in him and want to develop him further by such a loan. However, even if his loan is successful and he impresses, would be hard to imagine he beats out other current players in the future when back in the squad. | | | |
| El Miz, Harper... surplus to Requirements? on 09:38 - Jul 15 with 1729 views | gordon |
Presumably Harper is on far bigger wage than El Miz, making it harder to move him on permanently, but probably more beneficial to do so, given that there isn't that much between them (I think El Miz has a more well rounded game). |  | | |
| El Miz, Harper... surplus to Requirements? on 09:44 - Jul 15 with 1685 views | itfctilidie |
i wonder whether we might see Harper tried out in the number 10 role. I think I read somewhere that he used to be a striker when he was younger and I can remember him coming on one game last season in that position and looking alright - didn't set the world on fire mind you but maybe that sort of role would suit him more than a box to box midfielder. [Post edited 15 Jul 2022 9:46]
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| El Miz, Harper... surplus to Requirements? on 09:48 - Jul 15 with 1644 views | dirtyboy |
El Miz has the right attributes for L1 IMO. There's certainly a few clubs at the lower end that he would be okay in, certainly a few in L2 where he'd have a decent season.
Just needs games. |  | | |
| El Miz, Harper... surplus to Requirements? on 09:48 - Jul 15 with 1638 views | clive_baker |
| El Miz, Harper... surplus to Requirements? on 09:44 - Jul 15 by itfctilidie |
i wonder whether we might see Harper tried out in the number 10 role. I think I read somewhere that he used to be a striker when he was younger and I can remember him coming on one game last season in that position and looking alright - didn't set the world on fire mind you but maybe that sort of role would suit him more than a box to box midfielder. [Post edited 15 Jul 2022 9:46]
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Completely agree. I would be really interested to see him in a more advanced role and less responsiblity defensively. Physically he definitely has all the attributes, and he's looked dangerous when he's got forward in the past, but he was played much deeper and had the handbrake on for too much of his football under Cook IMO. | |
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| El Miz, Harper... surplus to Requirements? on 10:08 - Jul 15 with 1543 views | Garv |
El Miz - loan or sell. I can't see him doing anything here.
Harper - keep around, all it takes is an injury to one or two of the others in CM and he'll be playing.
You can't rely on a right back and a right footed winger to play left back if the first choice isn't available. It'd be crazy to let Penney go without replacing him. [Post edited 15 Jul 2022 10:08]
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| El Miz, Harper... surplus to Requirements? on 10:11 - Jul 15 with 1510 views | Westover |
If both went out on loan hopefully they would improve but will it be enough for the Championship which I hope is where will will be by then.🤔 | | | |
| El Miz, Harper... surplus to Requirements? on 11:13 - Jul 15 with 1291 views | jayessess |
Over the course of a season you are going to need 4th or 5th choice midfielders. Ultimately last year we had 8 different players appear in centre midfield for us in the league (Morsy, Evans, Bakinson, Carroll, Harper, Fraser, Celina, El Mizouni), five of them appearing more than 10 times. The season before that was similar.
Whether Humphreys is ready to be 4th choice is a difficult judgement to make from the outside, we haven't seen enough of him in league matches to know really.
Harper's big problem is that games just bypass him. He looks tidy in possession, but he's a long way off El Mizouni in terms of how often he touches the ball, completes passes, wins the ball back. That's why El Mizouni ended up above Harper in the pecking order.
Personally, IMO it'd be a big risk to let El Mizouni go. Otherwise one injury and your bench choices are an 18-year-old or Harper contributing less than half what you'd ordinarily expect from a centre midfielder last we saw him. [Post edited 15 Jul 2022 12:51]
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| El Miz, Harper... surplus to Requirements? on 22:29 - Jul 15 with 1007 views | southnorfolkblue |
| El Miz, Harper... surplus to Requirements? on 11:13 - Jul 15 by jayessess |
Over the course of a season you are going to need 4th or 5th choice midfielders. Ultimately last year we had 8 different players appear in centre midfield for us in the league (Morsy, Evans, Bakinson, Carroll, Harper, Fraser, Celina, El Mizouni), five of them appearing more than 10 times. The season before that was similar.
Whether Humphreys is ready to be 4th choice is a difficult judgement to make from the outside, we haven't seen enough of him in league matches to know really.
Harper's big problem is that games just bypass him. He looks tidy in possession, but he's a long way off El Mizouni in terms of how often he touches the ball, completes passes, wins the ball back. That's why El Mizouni ended up above Harper in the pecking order.
Personally, IMO it'd be a big risk to let El Mizouni go. Otherwise one injury and your bench choices are an 18-year-old or Harper contributing less than half what you'd ordinarily expect from a centre midfielder last we saw him. [Post edited 15 Jul 2022 12:51]
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It wouldn’t be a risk to let El Miz go imho. He hasn’t shown anything to suggest that he is anything more than ok and whilst that might have been enough under our previous owners that won’t cut it with the Americans. He is easily replaceable should the need arise. | |
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| El Miz, Harper... surplus to Requirements? on 10:17 - Jul 16 with 824 views | jayessess |
| El Miz, Harper... surplus to Requirements? on 22:29 - Jul 15 by southnorfolkblue |
It wouldn’t be a risk to let El Miz go imho. He hasn’t shown anything to suggest that he is anything more than ok and whilst that might have been enough under our previous owners that won’t cut it with the Americans. He is easily replaceable should the need arise. |
When you've got 3 clear first team choices for 2 positions, recruiting another player for that position becomes much harder. Last year all we managed was Tom Carroll. Joe Morrell turned us down because he knew he'd be a regular starter somewhere else.
El Mizouni is cheap, does a job, knows the club, the system, did pre-season with us, has scope to improve. I just don't think there's much advantage to be had from replacing him. With hindsight we'd have been better off giving him the 14 appearances we gave Tom Carroll last season. | |
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