| Royal mail strike 16:46 - Aug 31 with 3365 views | Tractorgirlforever |
Where do you think it will end?. I feel like yes we should strike but we are going without pay but going in to double the work the next day!.. surely royal mail are the only winners here?. I can see this dragging on. |  | | |  |
| Royal mail strike on 17:00 - Aug 31 with 2536 views | Zx1988 |
I take it from your words that you are one of the striking posties? If so, solidarity to you.
Do you not qualify for strike pay from the CWU? And with respect to the doubled workload the following day, is there not an argument for only doing a typical day's work in any given day, rather than busting a gut to clear the backlog? |  |
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| Royal mail strike on 17:05 - Aug 31 with 2505 views | Tractorgirlforever |
| Royal mail strike on 17:00 - Aug 31 by Zx1988 |
I take it from your words that you are one of the striking posties? If so, solidarity to you.
Do you not qualify for strike pay from the CWU? And with respect to the doubled workload the following day, is there not an argument for only doing a typical day's work in any given day, rather than busting a gut to clear the backlog? |
Yes im a postie, we dont get any strike pay. By rights we could say we are finishing our shift on time tomorrow but its a difficult one when you have your own round and you see mail building up day after day, 2 days of strike for next week too, i find it frustrating, i know something needs to be done as our workload just seems to keep growing and expectations keep rising. Its become an impossible job to do in your allocated time | | | |
| Royal mail strike on 17:10 - Aug 31 with 2473 views | Zx1988 |
| Royal mail strike on 17:05 - Aug 31 by Tractorgirlforever |
Yes im a postie, we dont get any strike pay. By rights we could say we are finishing our shift on time tomorrow but its a difficult one when you have your own round and you see mail building up day after day, 2 days of strike for next week too, i find it frustrating, i know something needs to be done as our workload just seems to keep growing and expectations keep rising. Its become an impossible job to do in your allocated time |
It sounds like it could well be part of the plan from higher up, especially given the pressure and dirty tricks it sounds as if they've been using.
I know that I know nothing of your conditions or situation, but can you just hold your nose as it were, and just deliver one day's worth of mail every day? Yes it might inconvenience the customers, but then it might just spur them on into pressuring those in management to actually do something about it.
Then, at least, if you work to rule when you're not actively striking, you're still hitting the company whilst taking home full pay. | |
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| Royal mail strike on 17:12 - Aug 31 with 2464 views | BlueBadger |
| Royal mail strike on 17:10 - Aug 31 by Zx1988 |
It sounds like it could well be part of the plan from higher up, especially given the pressure and dirty tricks it sounds as if they've been using.
I know that I know nothing of your conditions or situation, but can you just hold your nose as it were, and just deliver one day's worth of mail every day? Yes it might inconvenience the customers, but then it might just spur them on into pressuring those in management to actually do something about it.
Then, at least, if you work to rule when you're not actively striking, you're still hitting the company whilst taking home full pay. |
Done this before as a registered nurse to force changes to local working environments. Take your breaks in full, go home on time to the minute, no extra hours. You can pay the bills and make your point. |  |
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| Royal mail strike on 17:14 - Aug 31 with 2453 views | Tractorgirlforever |
| Royal mail strike on 17:10 - Aug 31 by Zx1988 |
It sounds like it could well be part of the plan from higher up, especially given the pressure and dirty tricks it sounds as if they've been using.
I know that I know nothing of your conditions or situation, but can you just hold your nose as it were, and just deliver one day's worth of mail every day? Yes it might inconvenience the customers, but then it might just spur them on into pressuring those in management to actually do something about it.
Then, at least, if you work to rule when you're not actively striking, you're still hitting the company whilst taking home full pay. |
Yes i think thats what needs to be done, it needs everybody to do it really but theres always the ones who want as much overtime as possible so will work well beyond their time. Im always over my time by an hour or 2 every day but its not that i want the overtime its more that i want to clear my workload. Its not easy having to prep mail into a fitting that has mail already in it!. You probably wont get that if you havent been a postie! | | | |
| Royal mail strike on 17:18 - Aug 31 with 2441 views | Darth_Koont |
It would be a pretty counterproductive strike if workers completely refused to deliver a whole day’s post. There’s just too much serious and official communication like test results, job applications, legal correspondence etc.
So you’re always going to have to deliver the same total amount. And just hope that the disruption and delay affects the Royal Mail and the government more than anyone else.
Good luck! I don’t see anyone serious saying that workers across the UK don’t have a strong case for better pay and/or working conditions. |  |
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| Royal mail strike on 17:31 - Aug 31 with 2399 views | Zx1988 |
| Royal mail strike on 17:18 - Aug 31 by Darth_Koont |
It would be a pretty counterproductive strike if workers completely refused to deliver a whole day’s post. There’s just too much serious and official communication like test results, job applications, legal correspondence etc.
So you’re always going to have to deliver the same total amount. And just hope that the disruption and delay affects the Royal Mail and the government more than anyone else.
Good luck! I don’t see anyone serious saying that workers across the UK don’t have a strong case for better pay and/or working conditions. |
Probably a poor description on my part.
I don't for one second think that they should just bin/refuse to deliver the mail that should have been delivered on a strike day. More just a case of not delivering extra in order to instantly clear the backlog.
i.e. if a postie only tends to deliver 500 items a round, then they shouldn't be delivering 1,000 the day after a strike in order to catch back up. | |
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| Royal mail strike on 18:07 - Aug 31 with 2337 views | Tractorgirlforever |
| Royal mail strike on 17:31 - Aug 31 by Zx1988 |
Probably a poor description on my part.
I don't for one second think that they should just bin/refuse to deliver the mail that should have been delivered on a strike day. More just a case of not delivering extra in order to instantly clear the backlog.
i.e. if a postie only tends to deliver 500 items a round, then they shouldn't be delivering 1,000 the day after a strike in order to catch back up. |
Yes, the mail will have to be delivered eventually, its the general public who will suffer in the end, i try to prioritise important mail or birthday cards etc but its not always easy to identify. I just wonder how long it will drag on as surely now we have gone without pay due to striking the union cant just back down, its not even about the pay for most, its the unreal terms and conditions . | | | |
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| Royal mail strike on 18:14 - Aug 31 with 2324 views | strikalite |
| Royal mail strike on 18:07 - Aug 31 by Tractorgirlforever |
Yes, the mail will have to be delivered eventually, its the general public who will suffer in the end, i try to prioritise important mail or birthday cards etc but its not always easy to identify. I just wonder how long it will drag on as surely now we have gone without pay due to striking the union cant just back down, its not even about the pay for most, its the unreal terms and conditions . |
Isn't it about Royal Mail wanting Sunday to become part of your working week too? |  | | |
| Royal mail strike on 18:22 - Aug 31 with 2305 views | Tractorgirlforever |
| Royal mail strike on 18:14 - Aug 31 by strikalite |
Isn't it about Royal Mail wanting Sunday to become part of your working week too? |
Yes thats part of it, i know many people work sundays nowdays, at the moment people can volunteer to work delivering parcels on sunday and get paid a higher rate so a few are happy to do that. I think new starters now have sundays in their contract.. working sundays is the least of my issues, its the shorter days in summer and longer days in the winter that is the one i dont understand. How can we do less hours in the summer when my job load takes me over my allocated time anyway!. | | | |
| Royal mail strike on 18:34 - Aug 31 with 2264 views | strikalite |
| Royal mail strike on 18:22 - Aug 31 by Tractorgirlforever |
Yes thats part of it, i know many people work sundays nowdays, at the moment people can volunteer to work delivering parcels on sunday and get paid a higher rate so a few are happy to do that. I think new starters now have sundays in their contract.. working sundays is the least of my issues, its the shorter days in summer and longer days in the winter that is the one i dont understand. How can we do less hours in the summer when my job load takes me over my allocated time anyway!. |
Working Sundays isn't an issue for those recently employed and knowing their contract agreed, I've never worked Sunday's and I never would, not sure if the 90 days notice companies have for this could come into effect though, I don't know enough about it, I've had my hours changed(not RM)in the past though with this 90 day notice, and even being in a Union nothing could be done.. | | | |
| Royal mail strike on 18:40 - Aug 31 with 2249 views | Tractorgirlforever |
| Royal mail strike on 18:34 - Aug 31 by strikalite |
Working Sundays isn't an issue for those recently employed and knowing their contract agreed, I've never worked Sunday's and I never would, not sure if the 90 days notice companies have for this could come into effect though, I don't know enough about it, I've had my hours changed(not RM)in the past though with this 90 day notice, and even being in a Union nothing could be done.. |
Yes ive worked at places previously where the 90 days notice rule applied. I think it would upset alot of people and they would lose alot of staff. At my depot a good majority have worked 20 or 30 years at royal mail and many would consider leaving. Employing new staff seems to be an issue at the moment. Ive seen vacancies advertised but nobody seems to want a job with royal mail any more. The latest thing they seem to be doing is advertising for apprentices, majority of school leavers nowdays wouldnt last 5 minutes, its a highly demanding job, physically more than mentally. | | | |
| Royal mail strike on 18:43 - Aug 31 with 2235 views | Wickets |
Royal Mail strikes have never been a success and i'm sorry to say that there is little chance of this one being so . |  | | |
| Royal mail strike on 18:45 - Aug 31 with 2229 views | Tractorgirlforever |
| Royal mail strike on 18:43 - Aug 31 by Wickets |
Royal Mail strikes have never been a success and i'm sorry to say that there is little chance of this one being so . |
I wasnt there for the last set of strikes so not sure how that turned out, it does make me wonder how it will all end tho.,the union cant just back down now surely, i think there needs to be some middle ground with no conditions attached | | | |
| Royal mail strike on 18:50 - Aug 31 with 2200 views | strikalite |
| Royal mail strike on 18:40 - Aug 31 by Tractorgirlforever |
Yes ive worked at places previously where the 90 days notice rule applied. I think it would upset alot of people and they would lose alot of staff. At my depot a good majority have worked 20 or 30 years at royal mail and many would consider leaving. Employing new staff seems to be an issue at the moment. Ive seen vacancies advertised but nobody seems to want a job with royal mail any more. The latest thing they seem to be doing is advertising for apprentices, majority of school leavers nowdays wouldnt last 5 minutes, its a highly demanding job, physically more than mentally. |
That is something today that you have on your side re a force in changing the working week, agencies now are struggling to recruit, the people just aren't there like they were recently, then they'd have to be trained obviously, I think the power today has somewhat shifted, it's whether like you said you're prepared to see it through during these damn difficult times. | | | |
| Royal mail strike on 18:53 - Aug 31 with 2179 views | Tractorgirlforever |
| Royal mail strike on 18:50 - Aug 31 by strikalite |
That is something today that you have on your side re a force in changing the working week, agencies now are struggling to recruit, the people just aren't there like they were recently, then they'd have to be trained obviously, I think the power today has somewhat shifted, it's whether like you said you're prepared to see it through during these damn difficult times. |
I think once we have agreed to strike, which we have, then theres no going back, we need to just stick it out and see where it takes us. | | | |
| Royal mail strike on 21:10 - Aug 31 with 2056 views | Lord_Lucan |
Slightly off topic but back in the day when all the Ipswich posties were back at base it was Hooligan Central! |  |
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| Royal mail strike on 21:15 - Aug 31 with 2047 views | Mullet |
| Royal mail strike on 18:53 - Aug 31 by Tractorgirlforever |
I think once we have agreed to strike, which we have, then theres no going back, we need to just stick it out and see where it takes us. |
You do, and those who don't perhaps don't appreciate what a union is, or the harm it does being a member and not going with what the majority voted for. I'll be in the same position by early next year and the financial hit is going to be hard, but I can't see this government doing the right thing either.
I sincerely hope you win, as I hope all workers getting shafted do when the CWU are suggesting that not only is there huge profits but those profits are going out of the country, it seems like that line of attack might work well. |  |
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| Royal mail strike on 21:20 - Aug 31 with 2037 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Royal mail strike on 21:15 - Aug 31 by Mullet |
You do, and those who don't perhaps don't appreciate what a union is, or the harm it does being a member and not going with what the majority voted for. I'll be in the same position by early next year and the financial hit is going to be hard, but I can't see this government doing the right thing either.
I sincerely hope you win, as I hope all workers getting shafted do when the CWU are suggesting that not only is there huge profits but those profits are going out of the country, it seems like that line of attack might work well. |
The Government will have to compromise. Unfortunately, it takes the withdrawal of labour before they will accept that they have gone too far with cuts. They will play hard-nosed in the hope that they can keep cutting even more, but it takes the pain of industrial action to make them take any notice. |  |
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| Royal mail strike on 21:36 - Aug 31 with 2010 views | Ely_Blue |
| Royal mail strike on 21:20 - Aug 31 by Nthsuffolkblue |
The Government will have to compromise. Unfortunately, it takes the withdrawal of labour before they will accept that they have gone too far with cuts. They will play hard-nosed in the hope that they can keep cutting even more, but it takes the pain of industrial action to make them take any notice. |
What has a private company like RM got to do with the government? These days working for RM etc is no different to the private company I work for! |  |
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| Royal mail strike on 21:38 - Aug 31 with 1999 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Royal mail strike on 21:36 - Aug 31 by Ely_Blue |
What has a private company like RM got to do with the government? These days working for RM etc is no different to the private company I work for! |
"I'll be in the same position by early next year and the financial hit is going to be hard, but I can't see this government doing the right thing either." is what I was replying to.
Of course, if you apply it to private companies then you are talking about the executive board. | |
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| Royal mail strike on 21:44 - Aug 31 with 1973 views | Ely_Blue |
| Royal mail strike on 21:38 - Aug 31 by Nthsuffolkblue |
"I'll be in the same position by early next year and the financial hit is going to be hard, but I can't see this government doing the right thing either." is what I was replying to.
Of course, if you apply it to private companies then you are talking about the executive board. |
Re the government and having gone too far though there are 2 things to consider here, there are 2 ways to pay more, either you make cuts in the service to fund additional pay or it comes from government coffers which is ultimately funded through taxation, which in turn us paid for by anyone earning a wage above 12.5k.
Give every public sector worker an inflation level pay rise and we’re all paying for it (and I don’t know about you but I can’t see me getting an inflation level pay increase next year just like I didn’t this year) | |
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| Royal mail strike on 21:52 - Aug 31 with 1943 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Royal mail strike on 21:44 - Aug 31 by Ely_Blue |
Re the government and having gone too far though there are 2 things to consider here, there are 2 ways to pay more, either you make cuts in the service to fund additional pay or it comes from government coffers which is ultimately funded through taxation, which in turn us paid for by anyone earning a wage above 12.5k.
Give every public sector worker an inflation level pay rise and we’re all paying for it (and I don’t know about you but I can’t see me getting an inflation level pay increase next year just like I didn’t this year) |
Yes, I can't see myself getting one because we (teachers) have had (in real terms) a 20% pay cut over the last decade. How does your change in pay compare to that? I am sure your union will be looking at getting some pay rise the same as the teaching unions are if yours is similar.
Additionally, the 5% pay rise they are giving this year is completely unfunded and so has to come from school budgets. Yes, increasing public sector pay will have to be paid for. Maybe out of not cutting corporation taxes and through stopping Government corruption. They never have any trouble approving and paying for the MP pay rises! It is a political choice of this Government to shrink public services.
Currently in teaching there is a funding crisis and a recruitment and retention crisis. This Government has not only caused both but is looking to make them even worse. Even former Tory education secretaries openly recognise this. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/ex-tory-education-ministers-call-on-next-p | |
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| Royal mail strike on 05:57 - Sep 1 with 1800 views | Tractorgirlforever |
| Royal mail strike on 21:44 - Aug 31 by Ely_Blue |
Re the government and having gone too far though there are 2 things to consider here, there are 2 ways to pay more, either you make cuts in the service to fund additional pay or it comes from government coffers which is ultimately funded through taxation, which in turn us paid for by anyone earning a wage above 12.5k.
Give every public sector worker an inflation level pay rise and we’re all paying for it (and I don’t know about you but I can’t see me getting an inflation level pay increase next year just like I didn’t this year) |
The difference is we worked with a massive workload through covid , our workload increased by more than 5X, we were told RM were making a loss when it turns out durinig that time they made huge profits and paid out over 400 million of it to shareholders and millions on bonuses for those high up who sat at home with computers during covid . | | | |
| Royal mail strike on 19:53 - Sep 1 with 1600 views | Wickets |
| Royal mail strike on 18:45 - Aug 31 by Tractorgirlforever |
I wasnt there for the last set of strikes so not sure how that turned out, it does make me wonder how it will all end tho.,the union cant just back down now surely, i think there needs to be some middle ground with no conditions attached |
I was employed by Royal mail for almost 30 years until retirement some ten years ago , 2 long strikes both times workers went back to work for the original increase that was offered . One day strikes never work as posties just increase their own workload . Longer strikes and wage losses take years to replace , sorry it never works the union always folds and some reps move on to management jobs !! Make of that what you will .Good luck . | | | |
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