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So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. 13:22 - Sep 5 with 1810 views

And similar such places get to chose who runs the country! Total BS. Boris' slogan while fighting for his political life was "I have an 80 seat mandate" that Truss echoed at every opportunity before stabbing him in the back. I bet she drops that now and says the people vote for party and not leader. Technically that is correct but in reality that is rubbish. She should live by her words when she was licking Boris's behind and call an election. That won't happen though, politicians rarely do what they should do.
Rant.

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So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 13:25 - Sep 5 with 1492 views

Radlett_blue

So Brown should have called a General Election when Blair resigned, Major when Thatcher was forced out & Callaghan after Wilson resigned? We elect MPs & the largest party forms the government. We do not elect the PM.

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So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 13:33 - Sep 5 with 1438 views

GlasgowBlue

We don't elect Prime Ministers. We elect Members of Parliament.

Hence when Wilson stepped down we got Callaghan with no election. Major when Thatcher got the boot. Brown with Blair.

There is only one Prime Minister in the last 50 years who first became PM through winning a general election and then lost his job and another general election.

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So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 13:35 - Sep 5 with 1404 views

ZXBlue

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 13:25 - Sep 5 by Radlett_blue
So Brown should have called a General Election when Blair resigned, Major when Thatcher was forced out & Callaghan after Wilson resigned? We elect MPs & the largest party forms the government. We do not elect the PM.

Yes.

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 13:36 - Sep 5 with 1391 views

pointofblue

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 13:25 - Sep 5 by Radlett_blue
So Brown should have called a General Election when Blair resigned, Major when Thatcher was forced out & Callaghan after Wilson resigned? We elect MPs & the largest party forms the government. We do not elect the PM.

In theory we elect parties on the basis of their manifesto. I wonder how many of Truss' policies were available to vote for in 2019?

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So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 13:39 - Sep 5 with 1385 views

StokieBlue

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 13:33 - Sep 5 by GlasgowBlue
We don't elect Prime Ministers. We elect Members of Parliament. Hence when Wilson stepped down we got Callaghan with no election. Major when Thatcher got the boot. Brown with Blair. There is only one Prime Minister in the last 50 years who first became PM through winning a general election and then lost his job and another general election.

Whilst this is all true we also elect a party based on a manifesto and given the Tories have changed leader and she is making a lot of polices which were never in the manifesto or voted upon there is an argument to be made that she has no mandate and it should be put to the people.

I know that's not how it works and the current process has lots of historical presedence but that doesn't mean a debate can't be had.

SB

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 13:41 - Sep 5 with 1358 views

Mercian

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 13:25 - Sep 5 by Radlett_blue
So Brown should have called a General Election when Blair resigned, Major when Thatcher was forced out & Callaghan after Wilson resigned? We elect MPs & the largest party forms the government. We do not elect the PM.

Yes they should have. How many people knew who their local MP was when voting in the last/any election? Not many I think. As I said technically speaking we vote in a party but in the real world we vote in a person. Perhaps you should have read the post properly.

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 13:44 - Sep 5 with 1333 views

Enigma_Blue

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 13:39 - Sep 5 by StokieBlue

At the rate PM's have been resigning over the past 6/7 years we could end up holding GE every two to three years. Although perhaps we should do every time a PM resigns.

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 13:46 - Sep 5 with 1322 views

Radlett_blue

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 13:41 - Sep 5 by Mercian
Yes they should have. How many people knew who their local MP was when voting in the last/any election? Not many I think. As I said technically speaking we vote in a party but in the real world we vote in a person. Perhaps you should have read the post properly.

I did read the post properly. If you think forcing a General Election very time a PM resigns is a good idea, then you need this written into the British constitution. As Stokie said, it's possible to have a debate about whether this is a good ides, but not to have a debate that a General Election should now be called at once.

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So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 14:21 - Sep 5 with 1214 views

Mercian

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 13:46 - Sep 5 by Radlett_blue
I did read the post properly. If you think forcing a General Election very time a PM resigns is a good idea, then you need this written into the British constitution. As Stokie said, it's possible to have a debate about whether this is a good ides, but not to have a debate that a General Election should now be called at once.

What written British Constitution would that be? There is no written British Constitution in the way that America has one. The Constitution as much as we have one relies on precedent and tradition.

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 15:01 - Sep 5 with 1137 views

Radlett_blue

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 14:21 - Sep 5 by Mercian
What written British Constitution would that be? There is no written British Constitution in the way that America has one. The Constitution as much as we have one relies on precedent and tradition.

Yes, Britain has no formally written constitution. We are governed by a mixture of case law, precedent & convention. The convention & precedent is that a change of PM does not require a General Election. You are entitled to dislike that, but that's the way it is & people can bleat about wanting an election as much as they like, but there is no means to force one, beyond a vote of no confidence in the Government.

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So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 15:23 - Sep 5 with 1097 views

jaykay

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 13:39 - Sep 5 by StokieBlue

did the tories follow their manifesto extra funding for the n.h.s. 50000 more nurses 50 million more g.p appointments 20000 more police and tougher sentencing , millions more invested every week in science, schools, apprenticeships and infrastructure while controlling debt. will not raise n.i.
i think the last one has has double u turn

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So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 15:28 - Sep 5 with 1079 views

Radlett_blue

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 15:23 - Sep 5 by jaykay
did the tories follow their manifesto extra funding for the n.h.s. 50000 more nurses 50 million more g.p appointments 20000 more police and tougher sentencing , millions more invested every week in science, schools, apprenticeships and infrastructure while controlling debt. will not raise n.i. i think the last one has has double u turn

If parties don't follow their manifestos, electors get their chance to turf them out at the next general election.

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So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 15:28 - Sep 5 with 1074 views

mylittletown

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 13:39 - Sep 5 by StokieBlue

Yes, but to expect someone to rule according to a manifesto which was put in place getting on for 4 years ago is not realistic, unless you were prescient enough to forecast the pandemic, Putin's insane venture into the Ukraine, the Prime Minister proving to be an incompetent fat liar (actually they should have spotted that one), Brexit being a catastrophe (and they should have spotted that one but they were never going to admit it)........

you get the point anyway.

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 15:39 - Sep 5 with 1055 views

StokieBlue

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 15:28 - Sep 5 by mylittletown

If she was putting forward policies to deal with those things then sure however she's not, she's busy trying to raise the higher rate of income tax to 80000 whilst telling those who are struggling that she doesn't believe in handouts for energy (whilst taking handouts to pay for her own energy).

SB

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 15:54 - Sep 5 with 1004 views

mylittletown

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 15:39 - Sep 5 by StokieBlue
If she was putting forward policies to deal with those things then sure however she's not, she's busy trying to raise the higher rate of income tax to 80000 whilst telling those who are struggling that she doesn't believe in handouts for energy (whilst taking handouts to pay for her own energy). SB

I am in no way supporting her, but the pandemic, the Brexit disaster and the Russian war have completely changed the economic landscape.

Whatever might have been said in the original manifesto is almost certainly not appropriate. We not agree with her policies, but we can't expect policies outlined in the manifesto to be sensible either.

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 15:56 - Sep 5 with 984 views

chicoazul

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 13:25 - Sep 5 by Radlett_blue
So Brown should have called a General Election when Blair resigned, Major when Thatcher was forced out & Callaghan after Wilson resigned? We elect MPs & the largest party forms the government. We do not elect the PM.

Nonetheless Opie makes a good point. When this happens it should be the MPs who select the new PM, since they’re elected.

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So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 16:03 - Sep 5 with 958 views

mylittletown

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 15:56 - Sep 5 by chicoazul
Nonetheless Opie makes a good point. When this happens it should be the MPs who select the new PM, since they’re elected.

Spot on.

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 16:10 - Sep 5 with 942 views

itfcjoe

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 16:03 - Sep 5 by mylittletown
Spot on.

And also they have a far greater idea of the competence and ability to do the job

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So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 16:16 - Sep 5 with 929 views

PrideOfTheEast

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 13:39 - Sep 5 by StokieBlue

Another reason why the system just isn’t fit for purpose. There must be a better way to run the country.

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 16:22 - Sep 5 with 904 views

mylittletown

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 16:10 - Sep 5 by itfcjoe
And also they have a far greater idea of the competence and ability to do the job

That's probably why she only just made it through to the playoff.

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 16:26 - Sep 5 with 896 views

BlueForYou

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 13:39 - Sep 5 by StokieBlue

Agree with that!

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 16:30 - Sep 5 with 884 views

rgp1

As far as prime ministers go we could be looking at a term in shortness of the likes of Andrew Bonar Law. I reckon there will be an election by late next year.

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 16:42 - Sep 5 with 849 views

Radlett_blue

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 15:56 - Sep 5 by chicoazul
Nonetheless Opie makes a good point. When this happens it should be the MPs who select the new PM, since they’re elected.

I completely agree with that. The leftist zealots at the Labour Party started this idea, under the name of internal party democracy, but this involved removing power from MPs & giving this to party activists. This led to Tony Benn challenging Denis Healey for the deputy leadership (another unnecessary title) which created a hugely divisive fight. This system also led to Labour being led by the unelectable Corbyn. For some reason, the Tories went down a similar route, leading to the anointing of the equally unelectable IDS.

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So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 16:52 - Sep 5 with 834 views

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So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 16:03 - Sep 5 by mylittletown
Spot on.

It used to be the MP’s but the members kicked off when Thatcher was turfed out. Labour also have a members vote, which saved Jezza after the MP’s defeated him in a motion of confidence.

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So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 17:02 - Sep 5 with 803 views

SuperKieranMcKenna

So a 150,000 or so people in Surrey and the leafy suburbs of London. on 16:42 - Sep 5 by Radlett_blue

“This system also led to Labour being led by the unelectable Corbyn”

…and Tories with 3 quid burning a hole in their pocket.

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