Happy Valley 12:45 - Jan 30 with 3637 views | itfcjoe | **SPOILERS** Nothing specific but sure will be some in here so don't read if planning on watching. I've enjoyed this last series, if enjoyed is the right word for it, but feels an awful lot of loose ends to tie up in the last hour of the show. I assume that RIshi Sunak is going to get uncovered as the murderer, and it will lead them to the Eastern Europeans hustling him and them into Darius to tie those 2 story line sup - but feels like we are going to get 2 weeks worth of action into 1 weeks episode and it might be a bit frantic or not tied up satisfactorily |  |
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Happy Valley on 12:57 - Jan 30 with 3141 views | davblue | The last episode is an extra 10 mins apparently. Only got into it a couple of weeks ago, it’s very good. |  | |  |
Happy Valley on 13:02 - Jan 30 with 3132 views | Mookamoo | There is a awful lot to tie up - but what Sally Wainwright is so masterful at is fitting a load into a 60 min episode. I think it's going to end up with Catherine needing to save Tommy Lee Royce in order for him to testify against Darius etc. And she wont. She will have already proved Faisal is the murderer. |  | |  |
Happy Valley on 13:17 - Jan 30 with 3079 views | davblue |
Happy Valley on 13:02 - Jan 30 by Mookamoo | There is a awful lot to tie up - but what Sally Wainwright is so masterful at is fitting a load into a 60 min episode. I think it's going to end up with Catherine needing to save Tommy Lee Royce in order for him to testify against Darius etc. And she wont. She will have already proved Faisal is the murderer. |
a few things, probably totally wrong. What about Tommy saving Catherine because of the son? Son is kidnapped or in danger and she's around and Tommy saves her somehow. Asking for forgiveness was heavily hinted at in series 3. The Land rover that's being repaired by the mother of the son in series 2, what if she does repair the car but damages the breaks or something like that as she didn't let her die in series 2? The son shops him in is the most likely i suspect. Both probably very wrong and way off i suspect. |  | |  |
Happy Valley on 13:28 - Jan 30 with 3044 views | Mookamoo |
Happy Valley on 13:17 - Jan 30 by davblue | a few things, probably totally wrong. What about Tommy saving Catherine because of the son? Son is kidnapped or in danger and she's around and Tommy saves her somehow. Asking for forgiveness was heavily hinted at in series 3. The Land rover that's being repaired by the mother of the son in series 2, what if she does repair the car but damages the breaks or something like that as she didn't let her die in series 2? The son shops him in is the most likely i suspect. Both probably very wrong and way off i suspect. |
Can't see anyone saving anyone else. It's all going to end horribly. |  | |  |
Happy Valley on 14:10 - Jan 30 with 2985 views | Ryorry | It's absolutely outstanding, & if it doesn't win multiple awards in the November TV awards, those awards will be meaningless imho. What makes is special is the complex, interlinking dramas & relationships woven into the reality of life in West Yorkshire over the past 50 years. Some might want to qualify that with "barring the multiple murders" - but there have been 98 unsolved murders in West Yorks in the 60 years to Jan. 2022 (not to mention other violent crimes & the drugs problems, like everyhere else). Unlike every other cops/crimes drama, I really enjoy the back stories/private lives/domestic scenes in this - not just because they're a key part of the whole but because the dialogue is totally sharp & credible, right down to parents correcting their kids' grammar ("should have, not should of!) - as the violence explodes all around them. Plus gentle humour, black humour, superb camerawork in local towns, countryside & Leeds locations, great acting etc. It'll become a classic the minute it finishes on Sunday. Predictions - Tommy won't suddenly change character, will try to kill Catherine & as we're told it's the last series ever, might succeed. Ryan's heroic attempts to save her fail - as she breathes her last he'll sob his heart out telling her what a great job she did raising him, & that he'll carry on her good work as a cop. Clare her sis will then rush up, & in her dying breath Cath will tell her she forgives her. The End. |  |
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Happy Valley on 14:18 - Jan 30 with 2965 views | usm | Tommy will kill Catherine in front of Ryan who then kills Tommy. Messes the all up. Cant see how Faisal cant go down as the murderer of the Hepworth woman, but it'd be good if the husband can somehow get done for it |  |
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Happy Valley on 14:20 - Jan 30 with 2949 views | Ryorry |
Happy Valley on 14:18 - Jan 30 by usm | Tommy will kill Catherine in front of Ryan who then kills Tommy. Messes the all up. Cant see how Faisal cant go down as the murderer of the Hepworth woman, but it'd be good if the husband can somehow get done for it |
Love that (well, sort of, mixed feelings re Tommy killing Cath in front of Ryan, obvs!). |  |
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Happy Valley on 15:06 - Jan 30 with 2864 views | davblue |
Happy Valley on 13:28 - Jan 30 by Mookamoo | Can't see anyone saving anyone else. It's all going to end horribly. |
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Happy Valley on 15:08 - Jan 30 with 2853 views | Ryorry | Btw, never having used a games console, I was sitting there last night wondering if they have a "disable location" option when in chat? Was yelling at the TV for Ryan to do that anyway 😂 |  |
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Happy Valley on 22:25 - Feb 5 with 2425 views | Ryorry | ** No spoilers as far as I'm aware** And .... b r e a t h e ... Masterclass in effortless, fluent writing. Outstanding acting all-round too, but esp James Norton as TLR. Gonna hugely miss HV; it'll take a helluva drama for the Sunday 9pm slot to ever be bettered. |  |
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Happy Valley on 22:32 - Feb 5 with 2408 views | Woolfenthen |
Happy Valley on 22:25 - Feb 5 by Ryorry | ** No spoilers as far as I'm aware** And .... b r e a t h e ... Masterclass in effortless, fluent writing. Outstanding acting all-round too, but esp James Norton as TLR. Gonna hugely miss HV; it'll take a helluva drama for the Sunday 9pm slot to ever be bettered. |
truly outstanding TV, well worth the licence fee! |  | |  |
Happy Valley on 22:55 - Feb 5 with 2353 views | mikeybloo88 | Thought it was a bit tame in the end. The whole thing about the teacher and pharmacist just got forgotten and mentioned as an afterthought. TLR seemed to give up far too easily and changed from deranged psychopath to almost a nice guy overnight, had expected a bit more evil from him. |  | |  |
Happy Valley on 00:04 - Feb 6 with 2297 views | BLUEBEAT |
Happy Valley on 22:25 - Feb 5 by Ryorry | ** No spoilers as far as I'm aware** And .... b r e a t h e ... Masterclass in effortless, fluent writing. Outstanding acting all-round too, but esp James Norton as TLR. Gonna hugely miss HV; it'll take a helluva drama for the Sunday 9pm slot to ever be bettered. |
Almost felt sorry for him when he was looking through the photo album… |  |
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Happy Valley on 01:30 - Feb 6 with 2247 views | Enigma_Blue |
Happy Valley on 22:55 - Feb 5 by mikeybloo88 | Thought it was a bit tame in the end. The whole thing about the teacher and pharmacist just got forgotten and mentioned as an afterthought. TLR seemed to give up far too easily and changed from deranged psychopath to almost a nice guy overnight, had expected a bit more evil from him. |
Not quite, he didn't take any responsibility for his actions. He believed that his wife's suicide and not being told he had a son was nothing to do with him and what he had done but was all Catherine's fault. That is still the thinking of a deluded psychopath. The bit at the end with him crying while looking at photos of his wife and son showed that he did at least have some humanity and probably did love his wife and son. I think the writer got the balance just right, it was superb writing and not the ending anyone could have predicted. He spared Catherine's life because he was able to appreciate how she brought up his son and he gave up because he no longer had any chance of leaving the country and didn't want to spend the rest of his life in prison. [Post edited 6 Feb 2023 1:33]
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Happy Valley on 03:03 - Feb 6 with 2195 views | Ryorry |
Happy Valley on 22:55 - Feb 5 by mikeybloo88 | Thought it was a bit tame in the end. The whole thing about the teacher and pharmacist just got forgotten and mentioned as an afterthought. TLR seemed to give up far too easily and changed from deranged psychopath to almost a nice guy overnight, had expected a bit more evil from him. |
Couldn't disagree more tbh - the key to the success of HV was exactly that it was much more rooted in realism than series like LOD. So it was in keeping that the final Cawood v TLR confrontation came via an acutely raw & emotional verbal exchange. Tommy understood he'd blown it in every possible way, incl. any question of a decent relationship with Ryan - the only thing that had kept him going. It was believable that his son was the only human who'd raised a spark of love in him. As for the teacher, the murder of his missus, and the chemist's involvement in all of it - again, it's just part of real policing that info gets added & prosecutions occur later. There was enough in the writing to satisfy viewers that would happen at a later stage & it was very neatly woven in. ITV would have added another 50 minutes to round last night's show out to 2 hours, & the drama would have lost a lot of its tautness & realism as a result, imho. |  |
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Happy Valley on 07:55 - Feb 6 with 2062 views | mikeybloo88 |
Happy Valley on 01:30 - Feb 6 by Enigma_Blue | Not quite, he didn't take any responsibility for his actions. He believed that his wife's suicide and not being told he had a son was nothing to do with him and what he had done but was all Catherine's fault. That is still the thinking of a deluded psychopath. The bit at the end with him crying while looking at photos of his wife and son showed that he did at least have some humanity and probably did love his wife and son. I think the writer got the balance just right, it was superb writing and not the ending anyone could have predicted. He spared Catherine's life because he was able to appreciate how she brought up his son and he gave up because he no longer had any chance of leaving the country and didn't want to spend the rest of his life in prison. [Post edited 6 Feb 2023 1:33]
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Yes, I had understood all that. I just didn’t get the feeling of increasing tension or impending danger to their lives that I had been anticipating would build up through the episode. And the whole sub plot with the teacher, his wife and the klutzy pharmacist, and the fall of Darius, all seemed to be brushed over and became very secondary to the final confrontation. I enjoyed it, Lancashire and Norton were excellent as usual, but not quite as good as the earlier series, which had set a very high bar. |  | |  |
Happy Valley on 08:00 - Feb 6 with 2029 views | textbackup |
Happy Valley on 22:55 - Feb 5 by mikeybloo88 | Thought it was a bit tame in the end. The whole thing about the teacher and pharmacist just got forgotten and mentioned as an afterthought. TLR seemed to give up far too easily and changed from deranged psychopath to almost a nice guy overnight, had expected a bit more evil from him. |
Was a bit rushed wasnt it. Brilliant still |  |
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Happy Valley on 08:20 - Feb 6 with 2010 views | itfcjoe |
Happy Valley on 08:00 - Feb 6 by textbackup | Was a bit rushed wasnt it. Brilliant still |
I'd agree with that - original post on this thread was that they still had a hell of a lot to tie up in the last hour but did it by basically just ignoring what had been a big part of the series and left it with a throwaway remark in there about it - it didn't even deal with Anne Gallagher having the torment to decide whether to find out who was supplying the drugs, how she found out, telling Catherine etc I really enjoyed the series, and thought overall it was great with regards to the main story line and how that all ended - just felt it needed another episode to properly bring the other plotline to a conclusion with enough detail around it. |  |
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Happy Valley on 09:14 - Feb 6 with 1948 views | Mookamoo |
Happy Valley on 08:20 - Feb 6 by itfcjoe | I'd agree with that - original post on this thread was that they still had a hell of a lot to tie up in the last hour but did it by basically just ignoring what had been a big part of the series and left it with a throwaway remark in there about it - it didn't even deal with Anne Gallagher having the torment to decide whether to find out who was supplying the drugs, how she found out, telling Catherine etc I really enjoyed the series, and thought overall it was great with regards to the main story line and how that all ended - just felt it needed another episode to properly bring the other plotline to a conclusion with enough detail around it. |
Felt the Rob/Faisal sub plot seemed an afterthought but thinking about it this morning, is the whole point is Catherine is just a sergeant and not the one who should be investigating these things? I think the idea was to show she was retiring an ordinary bobby and sorting out murder plots should be down to the sparkly CID lot, and by association, the job of sparkly TV detective dramas. Her story was far from ordinary, but the point wasn't the extraordinary murder plot. The end just showed she could have been that sparkly detective, but chose not to, mainly because she has to bring up Ryan. |  | |  |
Happy Valley on 10:05 - Feb 6 with 1894 views | thecheek | Not watched it first time around so have only recently watched the first 2 series's and found them excellent. Found the latest one slightly disappointing in comparison, the sub plots were a bit messy and the Eastern European gangsters (as well as Tommy at times) far from convincing. As seems to be the case with many of these programmes (Line of Duty, Homeland for example) the plots seem to get less and less in plausible the more series's they do.... Still head and shoulders above most of the crap that's on though.. |  | |  |
Happy Valley on 10:28 - Feb 6 with 1860 views | Ryorry |
Happy Valley on 09:14 - Feb 6 by Mookamoo | Felt the Rob/Faisal sub plot seemed an afterthought but thinking about it this morning, is the whole point is Catherine is just a sergeant and not the one who should be investigating these things? I think the idea was to show she was retiring an ordinary bobby and sorting out murder plots should be down to the sparkly CID lot, and by association, the job of sparkly TV detective dramas. Her story was far from ordinary, but the point wasn't the extraordinary murder plot. The end just showed she could have been that sparkly detective, but chose not to, mainly because she has to bring up Ryan. |
I think you've put your finger on it - all the series have been outstanding for me precisely because they were not formulaic or like other TV crime dramas with their meta-brained high-ranking detectives pursuing every intricate clue to the nth degree. Catherine's background from previous series was that she had actually been one of those, but been demoted to Sgt. because she'd seriously messed up a big case because of having had a relationship with one of the witnesses, which meant either a conviction couldn't be secured, or it didn't go to trial at all (can't recall). So she had the experience to know how to go about things, but not the power to investigate all the loose ends (& was retiring anyway). As a caller on the R5l phone-in said just now, it was a typical Catherine nonchalant throw-away remark re the blister-pack & where it was found that would lead CID, not uniforms like her, to the perpetrator of Rob's wife's murder. She also made a good point about the restraint in Sally Wainwright's writing, which again was for me a key factor in what made HV such a success. |  |
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Happy Valley on 10:32 - Feb 6 with 1855 views | BlueStreak |
Happy Valley on 09:14 - Feb 6 by Mookamoo | Felt the Rob/Faisal sub plot seemed an afterthought but thinking about it this morning, is the whole point is Catherine is just a sergeant and not the one who should be investigating these things? I think the idea was to show she was retiring an ordinary bobby and sorting out murder plots should be down to the sparkly CID lot, and by association, the job of sparkly TV detective dramas. Her story was far from ordinary, but the point wasn't the extraordinary murder plot. The end just showed she could have been that sparkly detective, but chose not to, mainly because she has to bring up Ryan. |
The Rob ending was really odd. oh btw, he a paedo, case closed. |  | |  |
Happy Valley on 10:37 - Feb 6 with 1848 views | Ryorry |
Happy Valley on 10:32 - Feb 6 by BlueStreak | The Rob ending was really odd. oh btw, he a paedo, case closed. |
The implication that he was a paedophile was introduced way back, in ep. 2 or 3 iirc, & a reminder of that was shown last week in the way he suddenly took a 'friendly interest' in Ryan, with Rob having set up the long & 'caring' chat in the gym. Hence Ryan's description of him as "odd" in this final episode, and "creepy" in previous weeks. |  |
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Happy Valley on 11:00 - Feb 6 with 1807 views | itfcjoe |
Happy Valley on 10:37 - Feb 6 by Ryorry | The implication that he was a paedophile was introduced way back, in ep. 2 or 3 iirc, & a reminder of that was shown last week in the way he suddenly took a 'friendly interest' in Ryan, with Rob having set up the long & 'caring' chat in the gym. Hence Ryan's description of him as "odd" in this final episode, and "creepy" in previous weeks. |
To me that just should he was a manipulator when he realised who his nan was at that time rather than a paedo [Post edited 6 Feb 2023 11:03]
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Happy Valley on 11:05 - Feb 6 with 1794 views | itfcjoe |
Happy Valley on 09:14 - Feb 6 by Mookamoo | Felt the Rob/Faisal sub plot seemed an afterthought but thinking about it this morning, is the whole point is Catherine is just a sergeant and not the one who should be investigating these things? I think the idea was to show she was retiring an ordinary bobby and sorting out murder plots should be down to the sparkly CID lot, and by association, the job of sparkly TV detective dramas. Her story was far from ordinary, but the point wasn't the extraordinary murder plot. The end just showed she could have been that sparkly detective, but chose not to, mainly because she has to bring up Ryan. |
I still think there was an element were they ran out of time or just cut out too much of that storyline to be necessary, as with the Darius storyline too. Because, to your final point, why have those stories progress so far with CID involvement if not going to wrap them up more neatly - you were seeing it all from both sides through the rest of the series but then they just wrote it out at the end EDIT - And Surely the words of a drugged up, drunk person who subsequently sets fire to himself delivered to a copper he has a personal relationship with are not going to be reliable enough to help bring down Darius? They basically have no more evidence than they already had [Post edited 6 Feb 2023 11:13]
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