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No. Horses are, for the most part, loved and treated very well. They get good food, they get looked after and they get plenty of exercise.
If you want to change the question to jumps racing then that is a different question and although it would cost me money I would have to say yes as sticking needless objects in the way of horses running does seem like going too far on an ethical level.
I know I will be accused of 'whatabouttery' but I think it's relevant to ask why these protesters are not using their resources to go after factory farming. They could make a massive difference to the level of suffering. Some will say it's not either or, and I get that, but targeting a horse racing flat racing festival seems like a waste of time in the grand scheme of things.
Should horse racing be banned in the UK? on 14:21 - May 24 by J2BLUE
No. Horses are, for the most part, loved and treated very well. They get good food, they get looked after and they get plenty of exercise.
If you want to change the question to jumps racing then that is a different question and although it would cost me money I would have to say yes as sticking needless objects in the way of horses running does seem like going too far on an ethical level.
I know I will be accused of 'whatabouttery' but I think it's relevant to ask why these protesters are not using their resources to go after factory farming. They could make a massive difference to the level of suffering. Some will say it's not either or, and I get that, but targeting a horse racing flat racing festival seems like a waste of time in the grand scheme of things.
Fair point - jump racing is inherently far more risky & I get that a few people are against NH racing but think flat is OK. However, I saw the comments on Rommy's post & it seems many on here are against all forms of horse racing (The Derby is flat) so was wondering how many actually wanted the sport banned. It is also arguable the keeping some types of household pet is cruel e.g. caged birds, fish in a small bowl. Some even argue that keeping a single dog as a pet is cruel because dogs are, by nature, pack animals.
Should horse racing be banned in the UK? on 14:25 - May 24 by Radlett_blue
Fair point - jump racing is inherently far more risky & I get that a few people are against NH racing but think flat is OK. However, I saw the comments on Rommy's post & it seems many on here are against all forms of horse racing (The Derby is flat) so was wondering how many actually wanted the sport banned. It is also arguable the keeping some types of household pet is cruel e.g. caged birds, fish in a small bowl. Some even argue that keeping a single dog as a pet is cruel because dogs are, by nature, pack animals.
I despise people keeping animals in cages to be honest. I would try to avoid zoos etc.
I think dogs are ok simply because the bond people and dogs can have. As people on here have proven, their dogs are proper members of the family and treated like royalty. No issue with that, but a bird in a cage...horrible.
Should horse racing be banned in the UK? on 14:28 - May 24 by J2BLUE
I despise people keeping animals in cages to be honest. I would try to avoid zoos etc.
I think dogs are ok simply because the bond people and dogs can have. As people on here have proven, their dogs are proper members of the family and treated like royalty. No issue with that, but a bird in a cage...horrible.
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I agree with you about birds & dogs, but everyone will have their own opinion on these issues. As some have opined, fishing for sport can be considered cruel.
Should horse racing be banned in the UK? on 14:25 - May 24 by Radlett_blue
Fair point - jump racing is inherently far more risky & I get that a few people are against NH racing but think flat is OK. However, I saw the comments on Rommy's post & it seems many on here are against all forms of horse racing (The Derby is flat) so was wondering how many actually wanted the sport banned. It is also arguable the keeping some types of household pet is cruel e.g. caged birds, fish in a small bowl. Some even argue that keeping a single dog as a pet is cruel because dogs are, by nature, pack animals.
Some dogs need and want to be kept as the only dog in a home - whether out of jealousy, fear, aggression within themselves etc - look at the rehoming pages of Dogs Trust centres, eg, & you'll see a very high proportion being described as "needs to be the only dog in the new home".
If sociable & non-aggressive, there's also nothing to stop 'single' dogs meeting & greeting others, whether through neighbours' fences, having canine walking buddies, meeting & greeting others out on walks etc.
Should horse racing be banned in the UK? on 14:25 - May 24 by Radlett_blue
Fair point - jump racing is inherently far more risky & I get that a few people are against NH racing but think flat is OK. However, I saw the comments on Rommy's post & it seems many on here are against all forms of horse racing (The Derby is flat) so was wondering how many actually wanted the sport banned. It is also arguable the keeping some types of household pet is cruel e.g. caged birds, fish in a small bowl. Some even argue that keeping a single dog as a pet is cruel because dogs are, by nature, pack animals.
What are your thoughts on show jumping and cross country, are you saying these should be banned as well
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Should horse racing be banned in the UK? on 15:18 - May 24 with 3137 views
Should horse racing be banned in the UK? on 15:15 - May 24 by IpswichRising
What are your thoughts on show jumping and cross country, are you saying these should be banned as well
I'm not even saying racing should be banned, but if you ban flat racing you could equally ban most equestrian events. I was interested in testing the water after the adverse reaction to rommy's post but I think the majority disliked his view that aggressive protesting was unacceptable. It seems only a minority (25%) want to ban all horse racing. I reckon a considerably higher number would want to ban just jump racing.
Should horse racing be banned in the UK? on 15:18 - May 24 by Radlett_blue
I'm not even saying racing should be banned, but if you ban flat racing you could equally ban most equestrian events. I was interested in testing the water after the adverse reaction to rommy's post but I think the majority disliked his view that aggressive protesting was unacceptable. It seems only a minority (25%) want to ban all horse racing. I reckon a considerably higher number would want to ban just jump racing.
The problem is where do you then stop with this, you could argue that greyhound racing should be banned, especially the hurdle racing
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Should horse racing be banned in the UK? on 15:27 - May 24 with 3096 views
Should horse racing be banned in the UK? on 15:18 - May 24 by Radlett_blue
I'm not even saying racing should be banned, but if you ban flat racing you could equally ban most equestrian events. I was interested in testing the water after the adverse reaction to rommy's post but I think the majority disliked his view that aggressive protesting was unacceptable. It seems only a minority (25%) want to ban all horse racing. I reckon a considerably higher number would want to ban just jump racing.
My issue with those on here is that they’re always in favour of aggressive protesting because it doesn’t affect them. It’s never targeted at evens they care about.
By the time Epsom comes around I’ll have spent £400 plus two days off work for this and that’s before I even have a bet on it. All for something that may be cancelled because some tossers think they’re above the law the rest of us have to abide by.
Should horse racing be banned in the UK? on 15:24 - May 24 by IpswichRising
The problem is where do you then stop with this, you could argue that greyhound racing should be banned, especially the hurdle racing
From what I've read about greyhound racing, yes it should be banned.
I also looked into rehoming a retired greyhound recently - speaking for 90 mins on the phone with someone who set up a greyhound rescue org. a few years ago gave a few insights that really surprised me.
Should horse racing be banned in the UK? on 15:24 - May 24 by IpswichRising
The problem is where do you then stop with this, you could argue that greyhound racing should be banned, especially the hurdle racing
I would be quite happy for greyhound racing to be banned. It used to attract huge attendances just after World War II, but now it seems to exist purely as a form of canine roulette, to provide fodder for old men in betting shops in between the horse racing.
Should horse racing be banned in the UK? on 15:32 - May 24 by Ryorry
From what I've read about greyhound racing, yes it should be banned.
I also looked into rehoming a retired greyhound recently - speaking for 90 mins on the phone with someone who set up a greyhound rescue org. a few years ago gave a few insights that really surprised me.
As you know R, I have owned myself 5 greyhounds mostly over Romford. All I can say is that there are definitely issues with the sport albeit the welfare is increasing. The majority of issues welfare wise are in Ireland though and that should be tackled by those who can make those decisions.
One welfare related greyhound improvement, in recent years you can’t actually buy a greyhound now and run it without staying where the pup will be upon retirement. There must be a plan in place for it. Ie in our group we know whose sofa each dog will be on after retirement. The intention is for far less greyhounds to be taken in by people outside of the sport as it almost looks as though the sport has abandoned them. That’s not the case but that is the image it gives and so is being rectified.
I know very little about this sport / industry but read recently in the Economist that betting on horse racing is falling dramatically, and so are attendances at races. Betting is going the way of in-game ie football, from your sofa and mobile phone.
When the amounts bet on racing really slip, that's when it will come to an end for some race courses. The days of men sitting in betting shops all day studying the form of a horse are dwindling.
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Should horse racing be banned in the UK? on 16:16 - May 24 with 2921 views
Should horse racing be banned in the UK? on 15:52 - May 24 by brazil1982
I know very little about this sport / industry but read recently in the Economist that betting on horse racing is falling dramatically, and so are attendances at races. Betting is going the way of in-game ie football, from your sofa and mobile phone.
When the amounts bet on racing really slip, that's when it will come to an end for some race courses. The days of men sitting in betting shops all day studying the form of a horse are dwindling.
You're right. Turnover of off-track betting on UK horse racing has been declining for years. Given inflation, that's a huge real decline. Football betting has been the new growth vehicle for years & the days of men sitting in smoky betting offices all afternoon are long gone & that has huge implications for the funding of horse racing.
Personally, I would ask for reform rather than a ban. I voted yes because I am not a fan of the current setup.
Any 'sport' that requires you to whip an animal to make it go faster is not for me. Appreciate that the sport has reduced the excessive whipping but in humble opinion, any time you hit an animal is too much.
Should horse racing be banned in the UK? on 14:21 - May 24 by J2BLUE
No. Horses are, for the most part, loved and treated very well. They get good food, they get looked after and they get plenty of exercise.
If you want to change the question to jumps racing then that is a different question and although it would cost me money I would have to say yes as sticking needless objects in the way of horses running does seem like going too far on an ethical level.
I know I will be accused of 'whatabouttery' but I think it's relevant to ask why these protesters are not using their resources to go after factory farming. They could make a massive difference to the level of suffering. Some will say it's not either or, and I get that, but targeting a horse racing flat racing festival seems like a waste of time in the grand scheme of things.
Should horse racing be banned in the UK? on 15:27 - May 24 by The_Romford_Blue
My issue with those on here is that they’re always in favour of aggressive protesting because it doesn’t affect them. It’s never targeted at evens they care about.
By the time Epsom comes around I’ll have spent £400 plus two days off work for this and that’s before I even have a bet on it. All for something that may be cancelled because some tossers think they’re above the law the rest of us have to abide by.
I didn't comment on the other thread apart to mention being stranded at Epsom Downs, but I fully respect your right to feel as you do. Indeed, it seems to me that such action may well anger all those interested in horse racing, and so not really further the cause.
Hopefully, however, your two days will not be spoilt too much.
I might add that I have no knowledge of, or interest in, horse racing, apart from enjoying one day at the Cambridgeshire forty odd years ago, but I am not in favour of banning it, or any part of it, on cruelty or environmental grounds. Gambling is perhaps a different issue, but that points to tightening up gambling laws more generally, rather than just focusing on horse racing.
As Jesus might have said, "let those without leather shoes cast the first stone".
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Should horse racing be banned in the UK? on 17:06 - May 24 with 2784 views
Should horse racing be banned in the UK? on 15:48 - May 24 by The_Romford_Blue
As you know R, I have owned myself 5 greyhounds mostly over Romford. All I can say is that there are definitely issues with the sport albeit the welfare is increasing. The majority of issues welfare wise are in Ireland though and that should be tackled by those who can make those decisions.
One welfare related greyhound improvement, in recent years you can’t actually buy a greyhound now and run it without staying where the pup will be upon retirement. There must be a plan in place for it. Ie in our group we know whose sofa each dog will be on after retirement. The intention is for far less greyhounds to be taken in by people outside of the sport as it almost looks as though the sport has abandoned them. That’s not the case but that is the image it gives and so is being rectified.
That's good if greyhounds are now being retired primarily to those within the industry who know and understand them.
From what the organiser said about retiring ex-racers, they're certainly not suitable for all potential adopters. The main problem seems to be that they can be "institutionalised" to the extent that if they wanted a pee, and an adopter's back door is open to the garden, the dog wouldn't take itself out but wait for someone to take it, as they're so used to set routines managed by handlers.
Which struck me as a bit like my main beef against racing (which I have never seen commented on by antis) - ie the artificial lifestyle of being cooped up for 22-23 hours daily in their looseboxes. Thankfully more and more (horse) racing trainers are moving away from that, to allow their horses a lot of time in paddocks, just being horses with their mates.
Should horse racing be banned in the UK? on 16:23 - May 24 by mutters
Personally, I would ask for reform rather than a ban. I voted yes because I am not a fan of the current setup.
Any 'sport' that requires you to whip an animal to make it go faster is not for me. Appreciate that the sport has reduced the excessive whipping but in humble opinion, any time you hit an animal is too much.
Posted this on t'other thread. Article is 12 years old & I've posted it on here at least 3 times before, but people seem to forget -
if you think an "experiment" from such an impartial source (oh...racing correspondent) is evidence worth quoting then there's little hope for this conversation. It's not a case of people forgetting, it's that if this is your best go to for supporting evidence then you're on very weak ground.
I'd have more respect for those who agree it is unkind to the horses but enjoy it anyway - it's better then putting hands over your ears and going "la la la la la"
And one last point, it would be really easy for a scientist to conduct an experiment of hitting a horse and watching it's neurological pain reaction. Why do you think the BHA or others haven't done this if they're so sure?
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