| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal 09:38 - Nov 26 with 2912 views | GeoffSentence |
Is intefering with play still a thing for offside? If it is there must be a good shout for the Baggies first goal actually being offside. Asante(?) may not have touched the ball, and may not have got anywhere near it, but he was definitely in an offside position and was between the ball and Woolfy who may have been able to get to it if he hadn't been there.
If we'd lost by a single goal it woould have been quite vexing. |  |
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| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 09:42 - Nov 26 with 2893 views | Herbivore |
Can't see it at all under current offside rules. There's no way Woolf is getting near the ball, he doesn't impede the keeper, and he doesn't get near the ball. |  |
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| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 12:01 - Nov 26 with 2796 views | oldburian |
Cannot be off side from a corner as you are behind the ball. |  | | |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 12:04 - Nov 26 with 2792 views | WeWereZombies |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 12:01 - Nov 26 by oldburian |
Cannot be off side from a corner as you are behind the ball. |
The ball had been touched by Furlong before it got near Asante, who I am pretty sure was blocking Woolfenden intentionally. |  |
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| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 16:37 - Nov 26 with 2680 views | NeedhamChris |
It's a game of opinions, I posted the same yesterday and I still think it's offside.
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| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 16:40 - Nov 26 with 2674 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 16:37 - Nov 26 by NeedhamChris |
It's a game of opinions, I posted the same yesterday and I still think it's offside.
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Agree entirely. The minute he kicks out at it, even though he doesnt touch it, it becomes absurd to suggest he is not involved. Keeper has a decision to make- go for the ball, or anticipate it being kicked in by the offside player. Also the offside player is blocking the defender. | | | |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 17:17 - Nov 26 with 2608 views | NeedhamChris |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 16:40 - Nov 26 by redrickstuhaart |
Agree entirely. The minute he kicks out at it, even though he doesnt touch it, it becomes absurd to suggest he is not involved. Keeper has a decision to make- go for the ball, or anticipate it being kicked in by the offside player. Also the offside player is blocking the defender. |
I agree - but shows it's a game of opinions as there are some strong views either way.
Personally think it's a bit far-fetched to suggest that a player clearly attempting to play the ball doesn't influence Hladky's decision making as to whether to dive and save it. | |
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| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 17:18 - Nov 26 with 2609 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 16:37 - Nov 26 by NeedhamChris |
It's a game of opinions, I posted the same yesterday and I still think it's offside.
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When it comes to offside, I t’s also game of rules or I guess laws if want to get technical.
You can’t be offside from a goal kick, throw in or corner. After the header it was fair game though. |  | | |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 17:24 - Nov 26 with 2570 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 16:40 - Nov 26 by redrickstuhaart |
Agree entirely. The minute he kicks out at it, even though he doesnt touch it, it becomes absurd to suggest he is not involved. Keeper has a decision to make- go for the ball, or anticipate it being kicked in by the offside player. Also the offside player is blocking the defender. |
The ball has already gone past the keeper.
I can see the argument and initially before seeing any replay thought he was offside as I thought he had touched it. On replay he was some way from touching the ball and the ball was on its way in. It neither affected Hladky nor prevented Woolfenden from getting there.
A similar thing happened on a different incident with a replay where the commentators said "that was a tight offside". From the camera angle it did look only marginally offside. However, the camera was not in line and if you looked at the pitch markings, you could see the attacker was inside the six yard box and the defenders were outside it. |  |
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| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 17:28 - Nov 26 with 2533 views | Sharkey |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 16:40 - Nov 26 by redrickstuhaart |
Agree entirely. The minute he kicks out at it, even though he doesnt touch it, it becomes absurd to suggest he is not involved. Keeper has a decision to make- go for the ball, or anticipate it being kicked in by the offside player. Also the offside player is blocking the defender. |
The keeper doesn't have to concern himself with it being kicked in by the offside player. |  | | |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 17:30 - Nov 26 with 2511 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 17:26 - Nov 26 by NeedhamChris |
If you take the offside player out of the equation I think it's more than possible that a) Hladky dives as he doesn't need to anticipate the other attacker getting a touch or b) Taylor could clear it.
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If Hladky could have dived to stop the shot he would have got it ahead of it reaching Asante.
Asante tried to play the ball and didn't get close to it (unfortunately because had he have touched it he was definitely offside). This shows that there was also no way that (Woolfenden EDIT: Taylor) was going to get it had he not had Asante there.
It was a good goal from a corner where the main error is no one picking up the goal scorer. [Post edited 26 Nov 2023 17:32]
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| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 17:36 - Nov 26 with 2462 views | NeedhamChris |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 17:30 - Nov 26 by Nthsuffolkblue |
If Hladky could have dived to stop the shot he would have got it ahead of it reaching Asante.
Asante tried to play the ball and didn't get close to it (unfortunately because had he have touched it he was definitely offside). This shows that there was also no way that (Woolfenden EDIT: Taylor) was going to get it had he not had Asante there.
It was a good goal from a corner where the main error is no one picking up the goal scorer. [Post edited 26 Nov 2023 17:32]
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I'm not particularly annoyed by it - but the rules aren't clear here given the strong views either way. But within the rules - I don't see how it isn't offside.
2. Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or
clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball [Post edited 26 Nov 2023 17:36]
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| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 17:39 - Nov 26 with 2442 views | NeedhamChris |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 17:36 - Nov 26 by NeedhamChris |
I'm not particularly annoyed by it - but the rules aren't clear here given the strong views either way. But within the rules - I don't see how it isn't offside.
2. Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or
clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball [Post edited 26 Nov 2023 17:36]
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So, as a follow-up question, would you agree/disagree that the offside player prevents Taylor from playing the ball? | |
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| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 17:43 - Nov 26 with 2411 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 17:36 - Nov 26 by NeedhamChris |
I'm not particularly annoyed by it - but the rules aren't clear here given the strong views either way. But within the rules - I don't see how it isn't offside.
2. Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or
clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball [Post edited 26 Nov 2023 17:36]
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The bits in bold:
Taylor is not close enough to be able to play the ball as evidenced by Asante's attempt to play it being nowhere near the ball.
There is no opponent who is impacted by Asante's action of attempting to play the ball. It has already passed Hladky and Taylor is further away from the ball than Asante who was unable to play it (unfortunately as had he touched it then it was offside).
Don't forget, that still image is before the ball has got to the point closest to Asante and is fore-shortening the distance too. The angle that shows Asante did not touch the ball shows how far away he was from doing so. Taylor was even further away from being able to. | |
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| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 17:46 - Nov 26 with 2376 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 17:28 - Nov 26 by Sharkey |
The keeper doesn't have to concern himself with it being kicked in by the offside player. |
Of course he does. | | | |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 17:48 - Nov 26 with 2362 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Yes he was offside,
Yes it should have been disallowed for the block on Woolfie and attempting to play the ball.
But it doesn't matter anyway. Sad as it is, the best side won, especially based on that first half. |  |
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| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 17:49 - Nov 26 with 2343 views | Herbivore |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 17:39 - Nov 26 by NeedhamChris |
So, as a follow-up question, would you agree/disagree that the offside player prevents Taylor from playing the ball? |
There's no way Taylor gets near the ball given that the player in question was ahead of him and couldn't get anywhere near the ball. | |
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| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 18:20 - Nov 26 with 2261 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 17:49 - Nov 26 by Herbivore |
There's no way Taylor gets near the ball given that the player in question was ahead of him and couldn't get anywhere near the ball. |
I think that would be right if both were running in the same direction as each other. However, my recollection is that the WBA player started by pushing Taylor away from the goal and only changed direction at the last second when he tried to tap the ball in, so I don't think it is fair to say that Taylor would not have made it if he had not been there. I mean, Taylor would have done well not to just help the ball on its way in, but I think there is a chance he could have got there. | | | |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 18:22 - Nov 26 with 2250 views | Herbivore |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 18:20 - Nov 26 by Exiled2Surrey |
I think that would be right if both were running in the same direction as each other. However, my recollection is that the WBA player started by pushing Taylor away from the goal and only changed direction at the last second when he tried to tap the ball in, so I don't think it is fair to say that Taylor would not have made it if he had not been there. I mean, Taylor would have done well not to just help the ball on its way in, but I think there is a chance he could have got there. |
Respectfully disagree, watching it in real time and seeing the replay I just don't see Taylor getting to the ball, it flashed across goal quickly. | |
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| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 18:45 - Nov 26 with 2221 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 18:22 - Nov 26 by Herbivore |
Respectfully disagree, watching it in real time and seeing the replay I just don't see Taylor getting to the ball, it flashed across goal quickly. |
Agree it happened fast and that there is not much he could have done about it, but I think he was prevented from playing the ball as Asante was actually leaning back into Taylor when he tried to kick it. I guess we will never know. | | | |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 09:08 - Nov 27 with 1899 views | DinDjarin |
More concerned how a header goers in the far post from that angle?
And that Davis has cost us another goal from switching off. Not the first time.
As for offside then there is a shout for but very unlikely that gets given. Think keeper could and should have done better though. |  | | |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 09:13 - Nov 27 with 1885 views | GeoffSentence |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 17:44 - Nov 26 by LankHenners |
He's not anticipating anything as the ball's already past him before Thomas-Asante goes towards it so whether he's there or not doesn't affect what happened, and Taylor wouldn't even be there if you took the other player out of the equation so that's a moot point. Even if Taylor was for some reason standing there the ball's too far ahead of him to of anything about it, as evidenced by Thomas-Asante not being able to reach it despite trying to fling a leg at it. |
You can't second guess where players may or may not have been in different circumstances. Taylor was there and he had no chance of getting to the ball because he was blocked by an offside player.
Based on that I'd say it should have been offside.
It's a matter of technical interest rather than justice in this case though, we were pretty well beaten regardless of this. | |
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| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 09:59 - Nov 27 with 1834 views | Wickets |
| Offside, intefering with play, their first goal on 09:08 - Nov 27 by DinDjarin |
More concerned how a header goers in the far post from that angle?
And that Davis has cost us another goal from switching off. Not the first time.
As for offside then there is a shout for but very unlikely that gets given. Think keeper could and should have done better though. |
As others have said they were better than us but yes i think VAR would/ should have ruled the goal out and i think this highlights a Hladky's weakness and why for me Walton is the better keeper . Not that i am saying Vlad should lose his place. Hladky is better with the ball at his feet but in other aspects Walton is an upgrade . |  | | |
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