| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 11:57 - Aug 25 with 3945 views | pointofblue |
At best, they're Cameron's Tories all over again. And to be exposed this early, plus making the decisions they are to the criticism they're getting, just makes me fear the bulk of the country will abandon them in 2029 and trot off to Reform. I actually think Farage being next Prime Minister is far more likely happen than I thought just after the general election.
This is a speech that Sir Keir is going to deliver soon. Reminds me of the scene in The Vicar of Dibley when David Horton renegades on the promises of the election campaign. Anyone know what's Starmer's favourite golf course?
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| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 12:05 - Aug 25 with 3884 views | NthQldITFC |
| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 11:57 - Aug 25 by pointofblue |
At best, they're Cameron's Tories all over again. And to be exposed this early, plus making the decisions they are to the criticism they're getting, just makes me fear the bulk of the country will abandon them in 2029 and trot off to Reform. I actually think Farage being next Prime Minister is far more likely happen than I thought just after the general election.
This is a speech that Sir Keir is going to deliver soon. Reminds me of the scene in The Vicar of Dibley when David Horton renegades on the promises of the election campaign. Anyone know what's Starmer's favourite golf course?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rx0mdgpnno |
I live in the hope that Labour will realise that there are enough decent, socially-minded, non-self-obsessed voters - who care for the future of their children and the environment - in this country to enable Labour to shift their policies leftwards and greenwards. At the same time they can let go of the tight rein on diverse views within their party, become more transparent in their dealings and help the UK to embrace some kind of progressive and sustainable future. We need this to happen.
I realise that people will say 'Dream on' but I choose to live in that hope, and believe that all things are possible if you have enough imagination. |  |
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| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 12:40 - Aug 25 with 3772 views | DJR |
Perhaps the £4,000 free Taylor Swift tickets take the biscuit.
If I were in charge of Labour, I'd ensure Starmer and the rest of them don't take freebies at all, except perhaps for something like the European Championship final where the PM is probably expected to attend, and would be criticised if he didn't. But if the FA offer this, why couldn't he make a contribution? [Post edited 25 Aug 2024 12:42]
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| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 12:44 - Aug 25 with 3730 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 12:05 - Aug 25 by NthQldITFC |
I live in the hope that Labour will realise that there are enough decent, socially-minded, non-self-obsessed voters - who care for the future of their children and the environment - in this country to enable Labour to shift their policies leftwards and greenwards. At the same time they can let go of the tight rein on diverse views within their party, become more transparent in their dealings and help the UK to embrace some kind of progressive and sustainable future. We need this to happen.
I realise that people will say 'Dream on' but I choose to live in that hope, and believe that all things are possible if you have enough imagination. |
I live in hope that there are enough voters as described but I fear the reality is that there simply are not. Several decades of elections would suggest there aren't under a system of first past the post at least. |  |
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| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 12:49 - Aug 25 with 3706 views | Buhrer |
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| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 07:05 - Aug 26 with 3362 views | bluejacko |
| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 11:57 - Aug 25 by pointofblue |
At best, they're Cameron's Tories all over again. And to be exposed this early, plus making the decisions they are to the criticism they're getting, just makes me fear the bulk of the country will abandon them in 2029 and trot off to Reform. I actually think Farage being next Prime Minister is far more likely happen than I thought just after the general election.
This is a speech that Sir Keir is going to deliver soon. Reminds me of the scene in The Vicar of Dibley when David Horton renegades on the promises of the election campaign. Anyone know what's Starmer's favourite golf course?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rx0mdgpnno |
With the share of the vote they got with a very low turnout I would suggest the bulk of voters are sitting there thinking righto let’s see what you can do! On the present course it doesn’t look like much to me. I know it’s not been long but can anyone point out them making at least a start on their election pledges? | | | |
| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 07:29 - Aug 26 with 3320 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
They're a bunch of middle class networkers. It's in their DNA and just what they do.
“An impartial civil service matters,” she wrote. “It is an asset to ministers and an asset to the country. Short-circuiting the recruitment practices, designed to ensure appointment on merit and protect impartiality, is a mistake.” |  |
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| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 07:58 - Aug 26 with 3166 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Every party has donors and I'm sure they all get a few perks for their efforts (I'd be annoyed if I donated thousands to the cause and got nothing in return).
This is barely even a story but to equate it to the Tory sleaze we've seen is like comparing a parking ticket offence to Nazi war crimes.
Have you never accepted a freebie, been at an event with a free bar, or got preferential treatment or a gift through your job? |  |
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| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 08:02 - Aug 26 with 3147 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 12:40 - Aug 25 by DJR |
Perhaps the £4,000 free Taylor Swift tickets take the biscuit.
If I were in charge of Labour, I'd ensure Starmer and the rest of them don't take freebies at all, except perhaps for something like the European Championship final where the PM is probably expected to attend, and would be criticised if he didn't. But if the FA offer this, why couldn't he make a contribution? [Post edited 25 Aug 2024 12:42]
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Why? It's the perks of getting the top job. i imagine every political leader in the world gets such perks - and some a hell of a lot more. | |
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| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 08:43 - Aug 26 with 3020 views | DJR |
| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 08:02 - Aug 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Why? It's the perks of getting the top job. i imagine every political leader in the world gets such perks - and some a hell of a lot more. |
I was a Whitehall civil servant for nearly 25 years and in that time I received no perks at all. Indeed, we even had to pay for our own tea, Christmas parties etc.
That reflected the public sector/service ethos and I do not believe Ministers should be any different because they are public servants too.
The other thing to say is that people bearing gifts are very rarely doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. [Post edited 26 Aug 2024 8:49]
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| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 08:49 - Aug 26 with 2964 views | WeWereZombies |
| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 07:05 - Aug 26 by bluejacko |
With the share of the vote they got with a very low turnout I would suggest the bulk of voters are sitting there thinking righto let’s see what you can do! On the present course it doesn’t look like much to me. I know it’s not been long but can anyone point out them making at least a start on their election pledges? |
Starting up Great British Energy seems to be happening:
https://great-british-energy.org.uk/
Although there is a fear locally that if it is set up in Aberdeen we can say goodbye to all our manual workers aged between eighteen and fifty... |  |
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| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 08:52 - Aug 26 with 2929 views | DJR |
| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 08:49 - Aug 26 by WeWereZombies |
Starting up Great British Energy seems to be happening:
https://great-british-energy.org.uk/
Although there is a fear locally that if it is set up in Aberdeen we can say goodbye to all our manual workers aged between eighteen and fifty... |
Leaving aside your last paragraph, that website appears to be a Labour Party website.
If you enter your postcode, it invites you to sign up to a Labour mailing list.
And the give-away is this at the bottom of the page.
Promoted by David Evans on behalf of the Labour Party, 20 Rushworth Street, London, SE1 0SS [Post edited 26 Aug 2024 8:53]
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| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 08:53 - Aug 26 with 2921 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 08:43 - Aug 26 by DJR |
I was a Whitehall civil servant for nearly 25 years and in that time I received no perks at all. Indeed, we even had to pay for our own tea, Christmas parties etc.
That reflected the public sector/service ethos and I do not believe Ministers should be any different because they are public servants too.
The other thing to say is that people bearing gifts are very rarely doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. [Post edited 26 Aug 2024 8:49]
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It's unfortunate (for you) that you didn't get any perks like many of us do from time to time. I bet you'd have accepted them if offered though?!
Every gift in every walk of life has strings attached in some way, unless it's a birthday pressie from your mum. It's a long way from "sleaze" though. | |
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| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 08:55 - Aug 26 with 2895 views | WeWereZombies |
| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 08:52 - Aug 26 by DJR |
Leaving aside your last paragraph, that website appears to be a Labour Party website.
If you enter your postcode, it invites you to sign up to a Labour mailing list.
And the give-away is this at the bottom of the page.
Promoted by David Evans on behalf of the Labour Party, 20 Rushworth Street, London, SE1 0SS [Post edited 26 Aug 2024 8:53]
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You're doing better than I did, when I put in my West coast postcode I got '404 not found'... | |
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| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 09:00 - Aug 26 with 2851 views | DJR |
| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 08:53 - Aug 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's unfortunate (for you) that you didn't get any perks like many of us do from time to time. I bet you'd have accepted them if offered though?!
Every gift in every walk of life has strings attached in some way, unless it's a birthday pressie from your mum. It's a long way from "sleaze" though. |
Personally I wouldn't have because I strongly believe in the public sector ethos, and the distinction between the public and private sectors, a distinction which admittedly has broken down since 1979.
As it is, I am not saying it is sleaze in a dramatic sense but it is not something I think should be happening. And it is politically inept because at least two of today's papers are leading on it. [Post edited 26 Aug 2024 9:02]
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| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 09:01 - Aug 26 with 2841 views | LeoMuff |
| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 07:58 - Aug 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Every party has donors and I'm sure they all get a few perks for their efforts (I'd be annoyed if I donated thousands to the cause and got nothing in return).
This is barely even a story but to equate it to the Tory sleaze we've seen is like comparing a parking ticket offence to Nazi war crimes.
Have you never accepted a freebie, been at an event with a free bar, or got preferential treatment or a gift through your job? |
Exactly, funnelling billions to your mates during a pandemic is hardly comparable |  |
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| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 09:06 - Aug 26 with 2785 views | DJR |
| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 09:01 - Aug 26 by LeoMuff |
Exactly, funnelling billions to your mates during a pandemic is hardly comparable |
For me it is the principle of the matter, not the extent.
People should not be donating to the Labour Party and then getting a civil service job. | | | |
| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 09:17 - Aug 26 with 2694 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 11:57 - Aug 25 by pointofblue |
At best, they're Cameron's Tories all over again. And to be exposed this early, plus making the decisions they are to the criticism they're getting, just makes me fear the bulk of the country will abandon them in 2029 and trot off to Reform. I actually think Farage being next Prime Minister is far more likely happen than I thought just after the general election.
This is a speech that Sir Keir is going to deliver soon. Reminds me of the scene in The Vicar of Dibley when David Horton renegades on the promises of the election campaign. Anyone know what's Starmer's favourite golf course?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rx0mdgpnno |
I assume, like Harold Wilson, it will soon be the one down the road from Chequers.
Followed by a pint in the Russell Arms. [Post edited 26 Aug 2024 9:29]
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| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 11:43 - Aug 26 with 2316 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 09:00 - Aug 26 by DJR |
Personally I wouldn't have because I strongly believe in the public sector ethos, and the distinction between the public and private sectors, a distinction which admittedly has broken down since 1979.
As it is, I am not saying it is sleaze in a dramatic sense but it is not something I think should be happening. And it is politically inept because at least two of today's papers are leading on it. [Post edited 26 Aug 2024 9:02]
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You've never had a bottle of wine at Christmas? Or a trip away for work where certain things are paid for? Never had a lunch paid for because it was during a meeting? (I appreciate there are lots of jobs that don't get these). | |
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| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 11:45 - Aug 26 with 2309 views | DinDjarin |
I'm waiting for them to honour their promise to tax the energy companies on their huge profits.
Oh hang on, we have another energy rise in a couple of months. |  | | |
| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 11:46 - Aug 26 with 2288 views | turtle2 |
This was the highlight of my day - Labour cleaning up sleeze - do some homework - have a look whats really going on - they're worse than any party out there - except the U.S democrats f course who are the most corrupt political party in history | | | |
| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 12:14 - Aug 26 with 2214 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 11:46 - Aug 26 by turtle2 |
This was the highlight of my day - Labour cleaning up sleeze - do some homework - have a look whats really going on - they're worse than any party out there - except the U.S democrats f course who are the most corrupt political party in history |
Ooh look, here comes a bitter Tory. | |
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| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 12:28 - Aug 26 with 2165 views | DJR |
| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 11:43 - Aug 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You've never had a bottle of wine at Christmas? Or a trip away for work where certain things are paid for? Never had a lunch paid for because it was during a meeting? (I appreciate there are lots of jobs that don't get these). |
Not in my office in the civil service.
By way of example, a week or so after the Christmas party, we would each get a bill to cover the cost of the party. The cost was covered by the senior staff on a sliding scale and the junior staff were not expected to contribute. [Post edited 26 Aug 2024 12:30]
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| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 12:33 - Aug 26 with 2120 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Really impressed by how Labour has cleaned up sleaze on 11:46 - Aug 26 by turtle2 |
This was the highlight of my day - Labour cleaning up sleeze - do some homework - have a look whats really going on - they're worse than any party out there - except the U.S democrats f course who are the most corrupt political party in history |
Feel free to provide some evidence that the current Labour Party is more corrupt than the party recently removed from government, let alone many clearly corrupt world governments since you have chosen to throw an accusation of a US party in there too. | |
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