| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 11:15 - Oct 29 with 3282 views | WeWereZombies |
Thanks for providing the link but wouldn't this be better on the thread that is already present (had good content and debate so far in my opinion) about reparations ? |  |
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| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 11:43 - Oct 29 with 3190 views | BlueBadger |
Be fair now, we only just finished paying reparations. To slavers. |  |
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| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 12:09 - Oct 29 with 3159 views | ElderGrizzly |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 11:15 - Oct 29 by WeWereZombies |
Thanks for providing the link but wouldn't this be better on the thread that is already present (had good content and debate so far in my opinion) about reparations ? |
Sorry, hadn't spotted it!
Puts on glasses he keeps being told to wear... |  | | |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 12:16 - Oct 29 with 3150 views | mutters |
I've been a large number of ex colonies that gained independence and I was surprised about the number of locals who wished they had remained under British control / influence. Their reasoning really was around how their countries had declined once Britain had left (with respects to infrastructure, wealth generation, standard of living, global position in the world). This was certainly more of the view of the older generation who had seen life before and after Indy |  |
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| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 12:40 - Oct 29 with 3077 views | Guthrum |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 12:16 - Oct 29 by mutters |
I've been a large number of ex colonies that gained independence and I was surprised about the number of locals who wished they had remained under British control / influence. Their reasoning really was around how their countries had declined once Britain had left (with respects to infrastructure, wealth generation, standard of living, global position in the world). This was certainly more of the view of the older generation who had seen life before and after Indy |
One of the issues is that colonial rule tended to keep tribal conflict and local corruption under control.
Post independence, rival communities were crammed within artificial boundaries dictated by colonial adminstrators and rivalries with their peers, rather than the situation on the ground. This created a mess of factions seeking dominance and others desiring to secede. Particularly when resources are concentrated in specific regions occupied by particular groups.
Colonial regimes had more of a long-term bureaucratic interest in maintaining the adequate functioning of their territories than perhaps some rulers with no real basis of security, who are only concerned with boosting their overseas bank accounts as fast as possible, just in case. There was also less room for local nepotism (to some extent, altho colonisers often tended to favour letting local ruling families maintain their positions, to simplify administration). |  |
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| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 12:55 - Oct 29 with 2985 views | brazil1982 |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 11:43 - Oct 29 by BlueBadger |
Be fair now, we only just finished paying reparations. To slavers. |
1843. |  | | |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 13:00 - Oct 29 with 2976 views | baxterbasics |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 12:16 - Oct 29 by mutters |
I've been a large number of ex colonies that gained independence and I was surprised about the number of locals who wished they had remained under British control / influence. Their reasoning really was around how their countries had declined once Britain had left (with respects to infrastructure, wealth generation, standard of living, global position in the world). This was certainly more of the view of the older generation who had seen life before and after Indy |
This is something I think is often ignored.
Without dismissing the many historical horrors of colonialism - is it really accurate to suggest every one of these former territories would be better off if Europeans had never set foot there? |  |
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| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 13:10 - Oct 29 with 2949 views | NedPlimpton |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 13:00 - Oct 29 by baxterbasics |
This is something I think is often ignored.
Without dismissing the many historical horrors of colonialism - is it really accurate to suggest every one of these former territories would be better off if Europeans had never set foot there? |
"without dismissing the many historical horrors of colonialism"
But you then go on to do exactly that. These countries wouldnt exist in their current form if it was not for colonialism, so it's a bit of a moot point as to whether they're better off now than before they existed and prior to mass genocide |  | | |
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| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 13:19 - Oct 29 with 2896 views | jaykay |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 12:16 - Oct 29 by mutters |
I've been a large number of ex colonies that gained independence and I was surprised about the number of locals who wished they had remained under British control / influence. Their reasoning really was around how their countries had declined once Britain had left (with respects to infrastructure, wealth generation, standard of living, global position in the world). This was certainly more of the view of the older generation who had seen life before and after Indy |
i dont think you could include malaysia wishing the britain had stayed in charge or southern ireland , uae, oman . think it some African countries might be in your list |  |
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| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 14:12 - Oct 29 with 2782 views | leitrimblue |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 13:00 - Oct 29 by baxterbasics |
This is something I think is often ignored.
Without dismissing the many historical horrors of colonialism - is it really accurate to suggest every one of these former territories would be better off if Europeans had never set foot there? |
Putting it simply yes it is.
What some people are suggesting is that genocide, slavery, complete loss and destruction of ancient cultures is in some way ok cause the Brits built a few roads, railways and in some cases brought Christianity.
It's basically an argument about wether the destruction of a proples ancient cultures, their genocide and slavery is OK if it leads to a few infrastructure improvements
It's like the suggestion that the Romans were somehow good for Britain as they built some roads. The destruction of our ancient iron age/ Celtic culture was not a good trade for a few Roman roads |  | | |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 14:17 - Oct 29 with 2771 views | factual_blue |
We've barely started repaying debt from WW1, and still have debt going back until the South Sea Bubble (1727). |  |
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| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 15:15 - Oct 29 with 2627 views | brazil1982 |
The Slave owners and other beneficiaries in 1843, the UK debt in 2015! - shocking amount of money. | | | |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 15:54 - Oct 29 with 2560 views | BlueBadger |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 15:15 - Oct 29 by brazil1982 |
The Slave owners and other beneficiaries in 1843, the UK debt in 2015! - shocking amount of money. |
Exactly. Amazing that we were still paying for slavers in 2015. | |
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| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 16:42 - Oct 29 with 2473 views | Swansea_Blue |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 15:54 - Oct 29 by BlueBadger |
Exactly. Amazing that we were still paying for slavers in 2015. |
I'm surprised we didn't declare a 'back hole' and just tax pensioners to cover it. The idea that the BoE can generate money would blow the mind of this government (and the last few in fairness). |  |
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| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 17:32 - Oct 29 with 2383 views | CoachRob |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 16:42 - Oct 29 by Swansea_Blue |
I'm surprised we didn't declare a 'back hole' and just tax pensioners to cover it. The idea that the BoE can generate money would blow the mind of this government (and the last few in fairness). |
Do they use terms like black hole to make an intensely dull subject like economics sound more interesting? I have a friend who works as a researcher at the BoE and works on secondary bond market dynamics and he couldn't stop laughing when I showed him some of the responses I got to pointing the simple truths of government finance. I will never understand why seemingly intelligent people fall for the utter nonsense that comes out of the mouths of economists. |  | | |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 17:58 - Oct 29 with 2309 views | BlueBadger |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 17:32 - Oct 29 by CoachRob |
Do they use terms like black hole to make an intensely dull subject like economics sound more interesting? I have a friend who works as a researcher at the BoE and works on secondary bond market dynamics and he couldn't stop laughing when I showed him some of the responses I got to pointing the simple truths of government finance. I will never understand why seemingly intelligent people fall for the utter nonsense that comes out of the mouths of economists. |
So, we shouldn't trust economists but you trust your mate who is...*checks notes*....an economist? [Post edited 29 Oct 2024 18:02]
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| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 09:11 - Oct 30 with 1934 views | ElephantintheRoom |
The fact that they are nearly all in the commonwealth would tend to suggest most former colonies agree with Bobby J |  |
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| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 09:54 - Oct 30 with 1879 views | leitrimblue |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 09:11 - Oct 30 by ElephantintheRoom |
The fact that they are nearly all in the commonwealth would tend to suggest most former colonies agree with Bobby J |
Your football posts are more thought through and make a lot more sense. This is completely lacking the franchise/ mercenary element we've come to love | | | |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 10:48 - Oct 30 with 1803 views | baxterbasics |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 15:54 - Oct 29 by BlueBadger |
Exactly. Amazing that we were still paying for slavers in 2015. |
Is it not more accurate to say the slavers themselves were paid long ago, but whichever financial institutions we borrowed the money from were still being paid off until 2015?
Those buy-now-pay-later store cards can really haunt you long term! | |
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| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 10:49 - Oct 30 with 1800 views | Bluedandy |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 09:54 - Oct 30 by leitrimblue |
Your football posts are more thought through and make a lot more sense. This is completely lacking the franchise/ mercenary element we've come to love |
Really? It actually makes more sense than the usual tripe hurled on our ownership structure.
After all, why would there be 56 sovereign state members of the Commonwealth if they shared your view that the British Empire was essentially a genocidal project built on slavery and the destruction of ancient cultures.
It's clear where you stand on the iniquitousness of everything historically the British have done overseas.
But maybe for most leaders of Commonwealth countries it's more nuanced and complicated. | | | |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 10:58 - Oct 30 with 1775 views | leitrimblue |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 10:49 - Oct 30 by Bluedandy |
Really? It actually makes more sense than the usual tripe hurled on our ownership structure.
After all, why would there be 56 sovereign state members of the Commonwealth if they shared your view that the British Empire was essentially a genocidal project built on slavery and the destruction of ancient cultures.
It's clear where you stand on the iniquitousness of everything historically the British have done overseas.
But maybe for most leaders of Commonwealth countries it's more nuanced and complicated. |
Yes if course I'm a big fan of colonialism. I like the slavery, the genocide, the destruction of cultures and the plundering of resources. I believe us Brits were lucky that the Romans destroyed our ancient culture because they did build a road or 2.
And I'm sure just as Bobby J says the colonies should be forever grateful for the British Empire braking the long chain of violent tyranny and introducing Christian values  | | | |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 11:38 - Oct 30 with 1711 views | NedPlimpton |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 10:49 - Oct 30 by Bluedandy |
Really? It actually makes more sense than the usual tripe hurled on our ownership structure.
After all, why would there be 56 sovereign state members of the Commonwealth if they shared your view that the British Empire was essentially a genocidal project built on slavery and the destruction of ancient cultures.
It's clear where you stand on the iniquitousness of everything historically the British have done overseas.
But maybe for most leaders of Commonwealth countries it's more nuanced and complicated. |
Those countries only exist because of the commonwealth
I'm sure if you asked the native population their views you'd get a very different opinion. Oh wait, you can't because we wiped out indigenous populations! | | | |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 15:26 - Oct 30 with 1560 views | Clapham_Junction |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 11:38 - Oct 30 by NedPlimpton |
Those countries only exist because of the commonwealth
I'm sure if you asked the native population their views you'd get a very different opinion. Oh wait, you can't because we wiped out indigenous populations! |
I think your second paragraph would be news to the vast majority of member countries of the Commonwealth. Or are you suggesting we wiped out the indigenous populations of Botswana, India, Kenya, Papua New Guinea, Samoa. Zambia etc? |  | | |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 15:43 - Oct 30 with 1526 views | NedPlimpton |
| British Colonies owe a debt of gratitude on 15:26 - Oct 30 by Clapham_Junction |
I think your second paragraph would be news to the vast majority of member countries of the Commonwealth. Or are you suggesting we wiped out the indigenous populations of Botswana, India, Kenya, Papua New Guinea, Samoa. Zambia etc? |
Any reason you've left out Australia, New Zealand, Caribbean countries, North America etc from your list?
Also ignoring the millions who died from famines in India and Bangladesh who have absolutely no say on their opinions of the commonwealth | | | |
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