| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all opportunist 15:20 - Dec 22 with 2488 views | RIPbobby |
We all came away from yesterday's game thinking we got out battled, out run and generally out done for most of the 90 minutes.
But looking back on all 4 goals they were all kind of freakish. First goal I'm not really sure what big cam was doing. Looked like he thought he could control it and take it away, but as the ball got closer changed his mind to clearance. For whatever reason he does nothing and Murphy is through. If you watch when the ball arrives to Isak we are fairly well covered. Defender is close, keeper is in a good position and other attackers are clearly marked. Isak decides to hit it as hard as he could and it kind of goes straight at keeper and over. Unstoppable shot with more luck than judgement.
You can kind of repeat most of the final part of goal 1 for goal 2. Again everyone is fairly well marked, keepers position is good and Murphy from a very similar position kicks it as hard as he can and it flies above the keeper into the roof of the net. Perhaps you could argue for both they should be closed down quicker.
Goal 3 is keeper played it out to Jen's (like we did many times in the game) Bruno does well to smother his turn and the ball drops to Isak and he says thanks.
The last goal was even more bizarre. Murphy gets himself in a bit of a knot and improvises by doing a back heel in the direction of Isak. Now what is weird about this is that we had 6 or 7 players well positioned and the back heel misses them all and falls kindly for Isak who toes it home.
Strangely enough Newcastle missed 2 or 3 big chances where they played great footie and missed sitters. Anyway have a look back at them and hopefully you will see we were blissfully out of luck with what happened.
Cue angry comments back as people do on here without debating their point. Worth a watch. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 15:44]
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| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all oppotunist on 15:24 - Dec 22 with 2441 views | Illinoisblue |
Wait, you’re being serious? |  |
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| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all oppotunist on 15:26 - Dec 22 with 2418 views | FrimleyBlue |
Kinda why I didn't agree that they outclassed us. They hadn't, we just didn't show up for a battle.
They were a big side physically but we didn't stretch them with any quick passing and movement and just played into their hands with our efforts. We did however stop them actually calving us open. The goals weren't exactly cutting us open. Isak didn't have to move for his hattrick.
It was simply by us a bad day tactically. Technically and one for manager and players to forget about as a result but learn that you really need to run the miles every game if you're gonna compete. |  |
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| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all oppotunist on 15:35 - Dec 22 with 2390 views | JakeITFC |
Agreed, four awful goals to concede.
The obvious problem was that they should have scored another five or so. |  | | |
| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all oppotunist on 15:35 - Dec 22 with 2392 views | RIPbobby |
| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all oppotunist on 15:24 - Dec 22 by Illinoisblue |
Wait, you’re being serious? |
Watch it back friend. The 3 minutes highlights. Read my notes and tell me where I am wrong. | | | |
| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all oppotunist on 15:40 - Dec 22 with 2369 views | RIPbobby |
| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all oppotunist on 15:35 - Dec 22 by JakeITFC |
Agreed, four awful goals to concede.
The obvious problem was that they should have scored another five or so. |
Yes they should. When they did get us out of shape they missed 3 big chances. Gordon header was easy finish. Bruno managed to miss the goal and let us off. Isaks volley looked more like a pass back to the keeper than shot.
But as I said for all 4 goals we are generally in the correctly coached positions to minimise a chance and fair play to them they manufactured 4 correct decisions to get what they wanted. | | | |
| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all oppotunist on 15:40 - Dec 22 with 2368 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all oppotunist on 15:35 - Dec 22 by RIPbobby |
Watch it back friend. The 3 minutes highlights. Read my notes and tell me where I am wrong. |
On the balance of the match overall, do you think the result should have been anything other than a cimfortable Newcastle win? We were never in it at all. Delap is back next match and we go again (against an Arsenal side that hasn't lost at home and without Morsy) but yesterday we were well beaten. |  |
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| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all oppotunist on 15:43 - Dec 22 with 2358 views | RIPbobby |
| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all oppotunist on 15:40 - Dec 22 by Nthsuffolkblue |
On the balance of the match overall, do you think the result should have been anything other than a cimfortable Newcastle win? We were never in it at all. Delap is back next match and we go again (against an Arsenal side that hasn't lost at home and without Morsy) but yesterday we were well beaten. |
Nope the mags played very well. Ive said before without our best x1 or X2 we are considerably weaker. You stick Delap, Hirst and axel in our team and we offer so much more.
I got from what KM said after the match that he is trying to mold a team like them. | | | |
| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all oppotunist on 15:45 - Dec 22 with 2369 views | bsw72 |
To be clear, Newcastle had more possession, more shots, more passes, higher pass success rate, won more tackles, more touches in the box, won more “duels”, committed less fouls and yet you think we weren’t outplayed and out battled.
Happy to debate but I’m not sure there is a debate to have on this one.
We were poor yesterday. I’d challenge your summary of the goals as well, goals 2 and 4 were results of Town not tackling, 3rd was poor between Cajuste and Muric and the first we were caught cold out of position.
Newcastle were pretty much better in all areas of the game. |  | | |
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| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all oppotunist on 15:49 - Dec 22 with 2317 views | Illinoisblue |
| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all oppotunist on 15:35 - Dec 22 by RIPbobby |
Watch it back friend. The 3 minutes highlights. Read my notes and tell me where I am wrong. |
To claim Newcastle’s goals were “freakish” and to say we weren’t really outclassed where we could easily have lost by 7 or 8 is a heck of a take! As is “we had defenders in the right place”.
Whatever. It’s all best erased from memory and let’s focus on the next one. COYB | |
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| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all opportunist on 18:23 - Dec 22 with 2091 views | Garv |
I'd describe goals one and two as brilliant finishes, not loads we could have done, albeit Burgess banking on the offside in the first place was obviously misjudged.
Goal three, in my opinion, is an individual error by Cajuste. If Morsy is on the end of that pass I don't think the goal happens.
Goal four is a bit of brilliance, but we were quite passive in our defending in the box and we gave Murphy a couple of goes until he made something happen. Isak engineered another clever finish.
Overall, Newcastle were much better than us, but Delap was a huge huge miss. I think Newcastle were probably laughing in the changing room when they got the news that Szmodics was starting up front on his own. Some will say we shouldn't rely so much on one player, but it is what it is at the moment. |  |
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| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all opportunist on 18:33 - Dec 22 with 2032 views | itfc_statman |
They created 6 big chances.
We created 1.
Story of our season. |  | | |
| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all opportunist on 09:44 - Dec 23 with 1710 views | Churchman |
I’ve not watched the game back, highlights or even sky clips. It was bad enough suffering it live, let alone replaying the horror.
Regardless of how the goals came about, 7-0 or 8-0 would have been a better reflection of the chasm between the teams. Had they needed to they’d have got that too. As it was they rightly saved their legs for tougher challenges after an hour. We were lucky to get away with 4-0.
I have seen all the comments about tactics, mistakes, blame heaped on Muric, plan A, B and 23, missing Delap, positioning, you name it. Reality? Their team was organised, tight knit, knew exactly what to do in every situations. They were on form and had players far better than ours in every position, including the bench.
Watching the superb Tonali (£60m in 2023, worth a lot more now), Bruno G (£42m in 2022) dominate the middle and linking with the excellent £60m Izak, was the mismatch of all mismatches. Poor old Morsy and Cajuste didn’t know what day of the week it was. Neither did anyone else.
I watched Davis at one point towards the end when he was close to me. He went one way, then the other, finally passing to one of the three or four opponents round him. He literally had nowhere to go. Our lads around him tried to make space but the Newcastle players made sure there wasn’t any. His face was a picture of ‘beam me up Scotty’. He was in bits by the end and he wasn’t alone.
McKenna talked about phases in the game, as he often does. There were actually three phases. The first 10 seconds of competitiveness. An hour of total domination and 30 mins training session.
On rocked £44m Barnes for them, on hobbled half fit £1m from Wimbledon AAH for us. I actually thought AAH did ok. Ran about a bit and found a few decent positions, but like Phillips’ contribution, it was during the irrelevant training game phase so nothing to take from that.
Two days on it is what it is. The players tried their very hardest and that’s always enough for me. I haven’t criticised any of them - I rarely do unless I see them not trying. The quality gap really showed and I suspect we are in for more of the same in the next few games.
We earned the right to play in this division. If we are outclassed and struggling, at least we have given it a go. The way the game is structured and the way money has entered it means it is geared towards the top clubs. The rest can go to hell as far as they are concerned.
The PL is a monster built on selfishness and greed. I’ve found it interesting and an eye opener, but I don’t like it much. However, I’d rather we tried to see if we can progress in this division than the ones below - especially the L1 swamp.
COYB [Post edited 23 Dec 2024 11:35]
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| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all oppotunist on 10:19 - Dec 23 with 1643 views | ReusersTown |
| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all oppotunist on 15:45 - Dec 22 by bsw72 |
To be clear, Newcastle had more possession, more shots, more passes, higher pass success rate, won more tackles, more touches in the box, won more “duels”, committed less fouls and yet you think we weren’t outplayed and out battled.
Happy to debate but I’m not sure there is a debate to have on this one.
We were poor yesterday. I’d challenge your summary of the goals as well, goals 2 and 4 were results of Town not tackling, 3rd was poor between Cajuste and Muric and the first we were caught cold out of position.
Newcastle were pretty much better in all areas of the game. |
From my perspective I don't t actually think we were that poor on an individual players front. We played much the same as we usually would but were just missing any form of focal point, which was out of our control. As a result of this Newcastle were able to press us relentlessly high with us not having a striker able to hold up or threaten in behind.
Re; your possession stats etc... they definitely weren't dominant on the ball when the scoreline was competitive, were just sitting in and breaking on us, but once the game was won at 3 up those stats definitely were skewed | | | |
| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all opportunist on 10:34 - Dec 23 with 1622 views | _clive_baker_ |
I think you can generally unpick all goals and say they're somewhat avoidable. We beat Wolves last week with a comical own goal deflection and last minute header that was entirely avoidable from their perspective.
Newcastle absolutely humbled us on Saturday from start to finish and we didn't lay a glove on them. Bigger, faster, fitter, stronger, technically far superior. It really was like watching 2 sides in different leagues going at it and to some degree we are. Our front 4 looked like U19 football against seasoned pros, its so stark in the flesh.
If we're to get any joy against these sorts of 'top 6' sides we probably need to be towards the top of our game, key players available, they need to be off their own, and we might need a slice of luck or a rub of the green too. On Saturday we had none of the above, we were off it collectively and individually, and they're bang in form and purring.
When you look at sides like that Newcastle one when they're playing like that I would argue there's as big a gap or bigger between them and us as there is between us and a Plymouth with that line up. Not a single one of our starting XI would start for them. They made a triple substitution of players who would all have started for us on Saturday. The gap is enormous, that's the harsh reality.
A bad day at the office against a very good side, that's really the crux of it. We need to stay positive though, being competitive against Newcastle, Arsenal and Chelsea won't define our season. What will is some of those we've already lost at home, and a number of those games to come. 6 wins from here will give us a chance, assuming a few draws thrown in too. It feels like an ask of a squad that'll likely have won only 2 in the first round of fixtures. A good chunk or perhaps all of those W's are going to have to come against Wolves, Southampton, Leicester. Maybe West Ham, Palace, Fulham, Everton, Brentford too. Brighton at home maybe. We'll need to hit levels and consistency that we've not see thus far, but it is possible.
Stay with it, back to the boys and see what we can do in the 2nd half of the season. |  | | |
| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all opportunist on 11:41 - Dec 23 with 1474 views | Churchman |
| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all opportunist on 10:34 - Dec 23 by _clive_baker_ |
I think you can generally unpick all goals and say they're somewhat avoidable. We beat Wolves last week with a comical own goal deflection and last minute header that was entirely avoidable from their perspective.
Newcastle absolutely humbled us on Saturday from start to finish and we didn't lay a glove on them. Bigger, faster, fitter, stronger, technically far superior. It really was like watching 2 sides in different leagues going at it and to some degree we are. Our front 4 looked like U19 football against seasoned pros, its so stark in the flesh.
If we're to get any joy against these sorts of 'top 6' sides we probably need to be towards the top of our game, key players available, they need to be off their own, and we might need a slice of luck or a rub of the green too. On Saturday we had none of the above, we were off it collectively and individually, and they're bang in form and purring.
When you look at sides like that Newcastle one when they're playing like that I would argue there's as big a gap or bigger between them and us as there is between us and a Plymouth with that line up. Not a single one of our starting XI would start for them. They made a triple substitution of players who would all have started for us on Saturday. The gap is enormous, that's the harsh reality.
A bad day at the office against a very good side, that's really the crux of it. We need to stay positive though, being competitive against Newcastle, Arsenal and Chelsea won't define our season. What will is some of those we've already lost at home, and a number of those games to come. 6 wins from here will give us a chance, assuming a few draws thrown in too. It feels like an ask of a squad that'll likely have won only 2 in the first round of fixtures. A good chunk or perhaps all of those W's are going to have to come against Wolves, Southampton, Leicester. Maybe West Ham, Palace, Fulham, Everton, Brentford too. Brighton at home maybe. We'll need to hit levels and consistency that we've not see thus far, but it is possible.
Stay with it, back to the boys and see what we can do in the 2nd half of the season. |
Great summary. Second paragraph - yes the differences look a lot more stark ‘live’ than they do when you see a game on tv. | | | |
| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all opportunist on 11:59 - Dec 23 with 1434 views | BseaBlue |
| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all opportunist on 10:34 - Dec 23 by _clive_baker_ |
I think you can generally unpick all goals and say they're somewhat avoidable. We beat Wolves last week with a comical own goal deflection and last minute header that was entirely avoidable from their perspective.
Newcastle absolutely humbled us on Saturday from start to finish and we didn't lay a glove on them. Bigger, faster, fitter, stronger, technically far superior. It really was like watching 2 sides in different leagues going at it and to some degree we are. Our front 4 looked like U19 football against seasoned pros, its so stark in the flesh.
If we're to get any joy against these sorts of 'top 6' sides we probably need to be towards the top of our game, key players available, they need to be off their own, and we might need a slice of luck or a rub of the green too. On Saturday we had none of the above, we were off it collectively and individually, and they're bang in form and purring.
When you look at sides like that Newcastle one when they're playing like that I would argue there's as big a gap or bigger between them and us as there is between us and a Plymouth with that line up. Not a single one of our starting XI would start for them. They made a triple substitution of players who would all have started for us on Saturday. The gap is enormous, that's the harsh reality.
A bad day at the office against a very good side, that's really the crux of it. We need to stay positive though, being competitive against Newcastle, Arsenal and Chelsea won't define our season. What will is some of those we've already lost at home, and a number of those games to come. 6 wins from here will give us a chance, assuming a few draws thrown in too. It feels like an ask of a squad that'll likely have won only 2 in the first round of fixtures. A good chunk or perhaps all of those W's are going to have to come against Wolves, Southampton, Leicester. Maybe West Ham, Palace, Fulham, Everton, Brentford too. Brighton at home maybe. We'll need to hit levels and consistency that we've not see thus far, but it is possible.
Stay with it, back to the boys and see what we can do in the 2nd half of the season. |
Brilliant post and great example with the line ups. I make you right and to go one further, I'm not sure many of ours would even make their bench with everyone fit.
The biggest difference in level for me is mistakes being punished. Take Saturday as an example and Burgess doesn't make the header, hesitates and Murphy crossed. Morsy could then hit it straight out for a corner but knocks it back into the box (straight to Isak). Then someone else (Morsy I think) gives the ball away into the build up for the second and we dont need to discuss the third as it has been done to death.
We are heavily reliant on Championship level players making Premier league decisions so mistakes will happen and with the quality of the teams we are playing, it will cost us. Ultimately though, we have a fantastic manager and are still right in the mix and will be in a much stronger place for it come the summer. |  | | |
| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all oppotunist on 20:47 - Dec 23 with 1114 views | bournemouthblue |
| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all oppotunist on 15:45 - Dec 22 by bsw72 |
To be clear, Newcastle had more possession, more shots, more passes, higher pass success rate, won more tackles, more touches in the box, won more “duels”, committed less fouls and yet you think we weren’t outplayed and out battled.
Happy to debate but I’m not sure there is a debate to have on this one.
We were poor yesterday. I’d challenge your summary of the goals as well, goals 2 and 4 were results of Town not tackling, 3rd was poor between Cajuste and Muric and the first we were caught cold out of position.
Newcastle were pretty much better in all areas of the game. |
They wasted several better opportunities too, let's be honest
The defending was a little bit green, I don't think anyone can deny that but Newcastle forced that through pressure as much as anything
They overwhelmed us and had the quality to punish us, where others haven't |  |
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| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all opportunist on 20:52 - Dec 23 with 1108 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Strangely Newcastle's goal were all opportunist on 18:23 - Dec 22 by Garv |
I'd describe goals one and two as brilliant finishes, not loads we could have done, albeit Burgess banking on the offside in the first place was obviously misjudged.
Goal three, in my opinion, is an individual error by Cajuste. If Morsy is on the end of that pass I don't think the goal happens.
Goal four is a bit of brilliance, but we were quite passive in our defending in the box and we gave Murphy a couple of goes until he made something happen. Isak engineered another clever finish.
Overall, Newcastle were much better than us, but Delap was a huge huge miss. I think Newcastle were probably laughing in the changing room when they got the news that Szmodics was starting up front on his own. Some will say we shouldn't rely so much on one player, but it is what it is at the moment. |
I don't see how you make the third Cajuste's error over Muric's I don't get. Cajuste lost the ball fairly easily but he had nothing on at all under pressure if he had controlled it. | |
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